posted June 21, 2010 08:53 AM         

Let's face it, motivating John Q. Public to give a rat's crap about most hidden and/or esoteric things in this world is a lost cause. Nobody cares. You may reach a few people, but you won't start a revolution. In order to get people to listen, and to care, you have to appeal to what really matters to them -- not to what may or may not have relevance for them if and when we all start getting bar-codes stamped on our arms, etc. Something that matters to them right now. Namely, their own life, or the life of someone close to them, already dying and suffering.

You want people to wake up to the extent of corruption and ignorance in society? Perhaps the only real chance you have is to show them what's happened to medicine, particularly in America. They may listen, but only because they're on their deathbeds. And when they learn the cure for cancer from you, and not from some "doctor" (who's making six figures a year to poison, radiate, and mutilate them; to give them a death sentence and tell them there's no alternative), well, when that happens, they might just start to wake up.

This is a fight we can win.

This is information we can spread.

This is a grassroots campaign that will spread like wildfire, once enough people get involved. And this has a direct, immediate, and measurable effect on human lives. I suggest you write a little blurb and post it on every youtube video, and every online article/discussion forum, you can find about Cancer. That's a good place to start. Just a little paragraph, suggesting people watch one of the following documentaries, could start a word-of-mouth landslide, saving an unknown number of lives. We don't have the airwaves, but we have the internet, and we can do this.

Post the following links:

Dying To Have Known (Watch NOW)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7357629140536485998#

The Beautiful Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0CzvhPU5q4

Or post a paragraph like this
wherever you think it may help:

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THE CURE FOR CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In DYING TO HAVE KNOWN, filmmaker Steve Kroschel [documents] the testimonies of patients, scientists, surgeons and nutritionists who testify to the [Gerson] therapy’s efficacy in curing cancer... and presents the hard scientific proof to back up their claims... the question that remains is, “Why is this powerful curative therapy still suppressed, more than 75 years after it was clearly proven to cure degenerative disease?”
watch?v=G4XZzhJfHFE

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We can do this!

Valus

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In DYING TO HAVE KNOWN, filmmaker Steve Kroschel went on a 52-day journey to find evidence to the effectiveness of the Gerson Therapy -- a long-suppressed natural cancer cure.

His travels take him across both the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans, from upstate New York to San Diego to Alaska, from Japan and Holland to Spain and Mexico. In the end, he presents the testimonies of patients, scientists, surgeons and nutritionists who testify to the therapy’s efficacy in curing cancer and other degenerative diseases, and presents the hard scientific proof to back up their claims. You will hear from a Japanese medical school professor who cured himself of liver cancer over 15 years ago, a lymphoma patient who was diagnosed as terminal over 50 years ago as well as noted critics of this world-renowned healing method who dismiss it out of hand as “pure quackery.”

So the question that remains is, “Why is this powerful curative therapy still suppressed, more than 75 years after it was clearly proven to cure degenerative disease?” The viewers are left to decide for themselves.

from Cinema Libre Studios
http://www.cinemalibrestudio.com/EarthNow/dying.html

Dying To Have Known
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7357629140536485998#

See Also:
The Beautiful Truth, and The Gerson Miracle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0CzvhPU5q4

The Gerson Therapy http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8384134159042346609#

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posted June 21, 2010 09:59 AM         

I follow a forum in Bulgarian on the Gerson Therapy. There are multiple Gerson clinics in Europe and so far I have only read success stories.

Oh, and a bunch of complaints about how "severe" the lifestyle changes need to be. God forbid somebody actually got off junk food and took charge of their own health!

Gerson Therapy Group on Yahoo

There are other researchers arriving at the same conclusions. Here are some sources:

Cancer - The Problem and the Solution by Johanna Budwig & Nexus Hirneise

posted June 21, 2010 10:02 AM         

Oh -- right! Radiation, drugs, and surgery.

Yeah, nothing severe about those things
(or about the fortunes they cost tax payers,
and anyone without health insurance)

Nothing severe about Cancer, lol.

posted June 21, 2010 10:34 AM         

I see coconuts and nutritional yeast
contain sulphurated proteins, too.

posted June 21, 2010 10:42 AM         

World Without Cancer (Google video)

The Silent Killers (part 1)

The Silent Killers (part 2)

Chapter1 Gerson at Baja Nutri Care -Lecture by Dr Cervantes

Too many to list individually, so here is a "copy and paste":

Jason Vale Cancer Survivor

Run from the Cure – look at all of them – full movie.

The Science and Politics of Cancer

Five Cancer Reversal Testimonies – Australia

2nd testimony

3rd

4th

5th

posted June 21, 2010 10:50 AM         

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw

I don't know if I'm a believer,
but it's definitely encouraging.

posted June 21, 2010 11:08 AM         

Introductory note: As I know from owning 14 of Dr. Budwig’s original German-language writings, Dr. Budwig’s work contains many details and scientific intricacies. Browsing the internet for websites offering free Budwig information, alternative cancer treatment advisors who sell such information as well as for forums and groups discussing the Budwig diet/protocol made me keenly aware that there is a certain amount of (doubtless largely well-intentioned but) partially incorrect information on the Budwig Protocol offered to the English-speaking public. To help dispel the misinformation / misinterpretation / misrepresentation shrouding the genuine Budwig Protocol and to implement and spread the word about Dr. Budwig’s authentic discoveries and “teachings”, I will continue to publish more central details gleaned and translated by me from Dr. Budwig’s original works as well as from my contacts with Budwig patients, Budwig cancer carers and Dr. Budwig’s former associate, using the platform of Healing Cancer Naturally’s Budwig pages.

posted June 21, 2010 11:39 AM         

There's always a lot of bogus information out there. Nobody with half a brain needs to be reminded, but it's still worth mentioning. Never listen to just one source, but always keep digging. That's just rudimentary stuff, right? The important thing, of course, is not to make people feel daunted by the science involved, but, to show them the plain as day results. Since most people (at least, in America) are already over-skeptical of this information, the only thing they really need to be cautioned against at this time is the advice of their so-called medical doctors.

I'm unfamiliar with Dr. Budwig's work, but I know it helped inform the work of Dr. Gerson, who I've studied a little. After testing every edible oil he had access to, he discovered her work on flax oil, and incorporated it into his therapy since it was the only one that suited his purpose. Having watched "Dying To Have Known", seen the evidence, and listened to what's being said on both sides of the argument, I know enough to promote his methods unreservedly.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You don't need to be an expert on the science to see the results, or to practice the methods, just as you don't need to know the technical details of how photosynthesis works to plant a garden. It's not so much a specialization, as a part of the inheritance of our species.

posted June 21, 2010 09:15 PM         

a colleague of mine is in the alternative healing business (with me) and has cured herself once of cancer with all natural methods...a few years ago she got sick and treated herself, as she always does; after two years it turned out she had cancer, and she continued working to heal herself but eventually gave in to chemo. we have a great teaching hospital here in sf and she was blown away by how open they were to HER stuff, it was a pretty opportune situation actually, for bridging the gap . she did the chemo, which was intense for someone who doesn't usually take ANY drugs even though she kept it minimal. in the end both sides of the table brought her back and then a year of recovery from the meds!! quite the story really.

but most people with cancer are not in a hurry to waste time researching, so best to get as MUCH info out as possible and to my mind working WITH the doctors is the best avenue since they are who people turn to!! and it is they we have to bring round even more than the public who frankly aren't that interested in studying all the methods.

and then there are those like me who look at the historical picture and wonder why now, when so many MORE people are vegetarian and vegan, cancer is estimated as a 1 in 3 risk? and why so many who eat meat and dairy are among the UNaffected?

posted June 22, 2010 10:14 AM         

Katatonic,

Thank you for taking the time. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. My own present understanding is that treatments like the Gerson Therapy are best, and that chemo ought to be avoided altogether. Of course, if an individual, on account of their own limitations, as well as the limitations of their environment and support system, is unable to practice the therapy diligently, then chemo and other methods would be better than nothing. The problem, I think, is that chemo kills more than the Cancer, and ultimately compromises the immune system, eventually resulting in more disease.

You're right, most people are in a hurry to trust the "authorities", and aren't very eager to do independent research. Complacency is a problem, to say nothing of Cancer. I guess that's why I chose to present just one method in particular, in the form of a few short and engaging documentaries. In 80 minutes, "Dying To Have Known" manages to touch on just about every salient point, and to reassure the patient that there is, in fact, more hope than they'd previously imagined. With an adequate support system, and just a minimum amount of initiative, the patient can learn the basics in a short time, and may be motivated to further study.

You're right, again, that it would be best to reach the doctors. Unfortunately, appeals have been made to the doctors, and they are, for somewhat obvious reasons, the last to hear the good news. For one thing, they were educated, and are now employed, by the enemy! Moreover, it is illegal for them to practice, prescribe, or sanction any methods other than the orthodox methods. When chemo, irradiation, drugs, and surgery have proven ineffectual, they either repeat the failing treatments, or they send the patient home to "get their affairs in order" -- to die. My experience is that people on their deathbeds are the most likely to listen to something new. I think, if you would just take some time to watch the documentary, kat, you might save us both a lot of Q & A here.

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and then there are those like me who look at the historical picture and wonder why now, when so many MORE people are vegetarian and vegan, cancer is estimated as a 1 in 3 risk? and why so many who eat meat and dairy are among the UNaffected?

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Food today is not what it once was. There are several documentaries you can watch to get a perspective on that. "Food Inc." and "The Future of Food" are two of them. People are not eating food today. Even many of the vegetarians and vegans are still eating highly-processed, nutritionally-starved "food". Also, you have to understand the biochemical origins of disease. A person may appear unaffected, while being ravaged from within; when disease becomes outwardly apparent, it has already reached an accelerated stage. Lastly, many people do not know what true health is, and, as a consequence, do not even realize that they are sick, let alone how sick they are. Norman Walker, inventor of the Norwalk juicer, lived to be 117, yet most people tend to think of 80 as a long life. If they're not visibly falling apart, they think they're fit. And then, when they are falling apart, before the age of 70, they call it "old age", and just accept it as the natural course. Honestly, I think a lot of your questions and misconceptions will start to clear up if you watch one of those documentaries.

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i guess i am getting at the idea that EXTERNALS are - to me at least - the least important part of the causes for cancer...and if you pick the wrong alternative cure it is just as bad as poison, cutting and frying... ?

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Absolutely. You'll notice, though, that I spoke of results, not externals. If anything, I hope my comments in this post have shown that I have my eye on much more than mere externals. Again, if you take a moment to listen and watch the documentary, you'll know what you're talking about a little better. The only method I've endorsed here is the Gerson, and anyone who's bothered to examine the evidence presented in those documentaries can have nothing but praises and salutations for this effort. We're talking about real, long-lasting results, as reflected in the lives, and in the bloodwork, of actual patients. We're talking about the case histories of cured patients, and the astounded doctors who once sent them home to die. Many, many people's lives have been saved because they encountered, and were open to, this information. Ignorant prejudices and conservative hesitancy aside, this is the best news around, and we should be spreading it like wildfire.

Thank you again for your time.

Please Watch:

Dying To Have Known (Watch NOW)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7357629140536485998#

The Gerson Therapy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8384134159042346609#

It would be great if you would watch these,
and we could have an informed discussion.
I'd love to hear your impressions.

posted June 22, 2010 12:36 PM         

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many of them already ARE working in that direction.

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Sure, my doctors' office has vegetarianism articles posted on the bulletin boards too.
One doctor even delivers lectures on healthy vegan eating.
They still try to fix me with a pill every time I have a problem.

My point: They may know or suspect what needs to be done but they don't dare recommend it.
My newest primary care shared with me she'd become a vegetarian only after I told her I was one. Why wasn't that her first advice? Why didn't anybody recommend that when I was first having problems with my weight and all the subsequent issues stemming from the extra weight?
Yeah, they gave me pills instead.

posted June 22, 2010 01:15 PM         

in fact a story on the msn homepage yesterday about "how to live to be a healthy 101" was all about lifestyle and supported by the opinion of one centenarian's doctor...
http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/08/healthy-liv ing-aging-live-to-be-101-forbes-woman-well-being-longevity.html?boxes=Homepagechannels

the main anecdote stars a hundred year old healthy full functioning lady from the BRONX of all places, who eats simply but includes meat, chocolate and other forbidden items in her regular diet, though she admits she "hardly" drinks alcohol anymore it was once a regular if small part of her routine...and she swears she has NEVER DRUNK SODA pop...which is deadly according to the doctor...

posted June 22, 2010 01:25 PM         

If some are moving in the direction of natural medicine, it just shows they're not completely blind -- only partially. The ones who've really begun to open their eyes no longer work within the orthodox system. Not in America, at least, where it's considered child abuse to save your child's life; that is, to refuse the toxic "treatments" of orthodox medicine, and to embrace a healthy lifestyle as described in the Gerson therapy.

posted June 22, 2010 01:44 PM         

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btw, anyone seen Sicko? good movie. a little over the top, but a real kick in the rear.

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When the movie first came out it hit too close to home. I had just dealt with some crazy vertigo-like symptoms that scared doctors and prompted them to send me for an MRI. Then the bills came. My insurance company never returned my phone calls and refused to pay the bills, which they should have.
I was too sick and scared to fight.

posted June 22, 2010 07:44 PM         

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