posted July 05, 2011 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:

All I know is that if Caylee were black this case would have never seen the attention that it has. It always seems to be the healthy pretty well adjusted white kids that the media sensationalizes and agonizes over.

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That's completely true.

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Also, in your scenario, you're talking about a man, and the U.S. assumes the burden of parental responsibility to still rest solely on the mother, which is what angered many re: this case.[/B]

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Did that anger people? On the boards I go to no one really mentioned that. I thought that Casey was Caley's primary caregiver regardless because Caley lived with her.

posted July 05, 2011 11:39 PM            

Yes it angered many because as far as they know Caylee was last seen with Casey and Casey had sole custody so they think she should at least be charged with neglect. The mother has society's burden of keeping the child alive, even if she is with the father, the burden as society sees it rests on the mother and no one else, not grandparents not babysitters, etc. so if something like this happens the mother is vilified. We know she's a liar and a partier and they hated her for that, it contradicts with sociey's values.

If like you say a minority male was charged with her death and we are going to assume the male would be the father, they would bring up his background, if he had a violent background that may make some grounds for some type of charge. Casey cheated and lied and stole but had no violence, no testimony of beating the child, no aggression toward her, no photos of bruises, no reports to cps of neglect (to my knowledge), that obviously worked in her favor. The grandparents never attempted to make contact with the so called nanny as far as I know, which doesn't speak too well over their concern for her, 2 years living with your grandchild and you've never even asked or demanded to meet the nanny, if that were my grandchild I would know nanny's name, address, maybe even ss#. There's something not right there, what it is I do not know as both sides left holes in their arguments. Do I believe that she drowned, no way, but as to what happened I do not know. Anyway like I said background would play a huge factor here, criminal background, if he did have a violent one than in this scenario he likely would have been convicted of a lesser charge. Do I think a man could have pulled off all the lies as well as a young attractive woman like Casey? Not really, I think they would have caught up to him sooner. I'm never going to say she's not a liar because she obviously is, as evidence showed, and she should have plead guilty to those charges of lying to police.

posted July 06, 2011 09:38 PM            

Nobody knows the real family dynamics and nobody can get into the mind of Casey to really understand why she chose to act as she did, including failing to report the little girl missing. With so many missing pieces and so many liars in that family, we may never know what killed Caylee.

posted July 06, 2011 10:34 PM            

I didn't watch most of the trial, but I'm wondering how anyone could have their little girl missing, and be out partying it up, and not be on the phone to the police right away. Hell, as a teenager, when my dog went missing, I was making posters whilst sobbing, putting them up everywhere, calling a radio station and asking them if they could mention him on the radio (Sacramento), putting ads in the paper. Right away.

posted July 07, 2011 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by crabbypatty:
[B]Pire, I am with you on this one. Score one for the American justice system.

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But, it needs to be said..

I see. I guess it is still trendy and popular and cool to hate America. As if France (or any other country) doesn't have messed up court proceedings from time to time or other problems that need to be dealt with. I would say the French struggle with the whole hijab is both disgraceful and demeaning to those of the Muslim faith, for one. For another, someone from France, who is hopefully knowledgeable of their own history of colonizing need not bring up what America is now doing, as it strikes me as holier than thou attitude that is totally unjustified and out of line.

I know being strongly connected to France and some of its people for nearly four years, I could point out a plethora of problems both inside and out of court besides that one hijab issue..But what is the point? Talk about the case, not country bash. Okay? Mine was just an example and a point to say all countries have their darker sides. Sick of some non-Americans getting on some falsified high horse to preach to us. Address your countries own issues, especially if you have not even been to this land, you can not understand.

In the end, let's be adults about this and discuss this case in a civil matter. Right?

posted July 07, 2011 02:11 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
that in a supposed democracy that invades other countries to share their freedom, right, law and order,

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I know this is off topic but this quote struck me and I need to nip it the butt. Education (or reminder time):

"Those in glass houses should not throw stones."

Syria, Niger, Vietnam, Tunisia, Cambodia, Laos, Ivory Coast, Libya, Chad, Haiti, Benin, Madagascar, Mali, Morocco, Algeria, Cameroon, Guinea, Senegal and Lebanon (*woooh I could go on and on, just from memory*) ring a bell? ..Oh and I'm sure you came bearing more than just baguettes and cheese..

French people, of all people have no grounds to pass judgment on America. Seriously, it just comes off as this terrible mix of arrogance and ignorance. I know you all aren't like this and some can own up to the above, but if not, while in the same breath chastising America, it is very unappealing, hypocritical, naive/ignorant and just plain wrong.

posted July 07, 2011 06:53 AM            

On the real debate:

Teasel. Totally agree. For all the Casey Anthony fangirls out there, I watched a total of 5 minutes of news reports on the trial in the last maybe 3 years. Fact of the matter, her actions decided her guilt for me and not any of those silly reporters you want to align me with to bolster your own flawed point. I'm allowed to have my own opinion, right? Sorry, but when you fail to report your child as missing for even a DAY and choose to enter hot body contests instead, its not going to look good for your 'cause' or whatever And why stuck on the 'mother's plight' anyways? Who cares about ideology, this is about a murdered child! Its almost like some people want to excuse her neglect because she was single and had the 'burden' of taking care of her. Next time, get better birth control or give up the child to someone who is better able to take care of them. It was Casey's choice to take on that responsibility so its no one else's fault but her's.

So no, none of us truly know if she's innocent or guilty but I do know she's a good reason why people today should be litmused before being allowed to reproduce. Not PC enough for you? I.don't.care.

posted July 07, 2011 07:52 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I think the ones who feel Casey Anthony is completely innocent should invite her over for margaritas as soon as she is free.

Put your money where your mouth is...

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posted July 07, 2011 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
For all the Casey Anthony fangirls out there

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You detractors are the most stubborn bunch I have ever seen. It is fingers in the ears and "nah nah nah nah, I don't care about the law, nah nah nah nah," like some abhorrent little school children.

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Sorry, but when you fail to report your child as missing for even a DAY

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You want to blame someone for not reporting her missing, then ask the grandparents what they did that entire month their so called jewel and beloved baby was gone. You're telling me that they believed their daughter, the known liar, why didn't they demand to meet the nanny for 2 yrs? Come on now, lol. That is, if you believe the prosecution's argument.

If you believe the defense's argument George already knew she was dead and never told Cindy. Why would Cindy keep quiet about her granddaughter missing for a month, a woman who cared for her and who seemed so fiercely protective.

The real murderer is out there and it's not Casey so said that jury. They had a chance to convict, the prosecution's case was going to be argued as circumstantial from the beginning, the jury was given special instructions on trying a circumstantial case, they were presented with circumstantial evidence, and they consciously chose not to convict on murder. You have to accept this as in the eyes of the law she is not guilty, the end. The jury had their say and no one else gets in on it, no matter how much you disagree, the law does not care and the law is what matters. There is better evidence out there that another jury and the larger public needs to see, and will hopefully come to light in time.
In my personal opinion Caylee wasn't killed with duct tape and chloroform. No adult murders a small child that way, they drive kids in the river to drown, they put them in ovens, to suffocate in trash bags, a pillow over their face, with a gunshot, from beatings, from malnutrition, and I'm supposed to believe someone went to great lengths to get chloroform to kill a small 2 yr old?

posted July 07, 2011 02:52 PM            

overall, lets not twist my words, will you, cause it is a more important issue than mere nationalism.

I didn't bash your country. I noticed, like Baez on the day of the verdict, that democracy was in danger when the entire population is led by a media frenzy to get someone executed. I blamed the fact that a country such as the US, big in size, strong in military power, and constitutionally democratic, was able to get, I don't know, 80% of its population on a witch hunt. what's next? sending text messages to say if you want some inmates to be sentenced to death? oh, right the people never get it wrong, right? guess what, hitler was democratically elected in 1933

you know, you rightly mentioned the desatrous historic french records, and from one of the main western powers in the world, it has become an unimportant country, mainland france is smaller than the state of Texas. during the 20st century, the US were the leading western power, and with democratic values. now after watching people's reaction to this trial, I wonder what the world's leading democracy will become... in the future... and remember the US rose because they wanted to incarnate democratic values during the 20th C. if they don't anymore, as seen regarding this hugely high profile case were most people had an opinion and wanted to kill someone innocent (until proven guilty - which wasn't)then I have no worries, the rest of the world will gladly find a new leader, cause there is always a leader when ones goes down.

posted July 07, 2011 04:53 PM            

80%? - where did you get an arbitrary number like that? That is like saying 75% of French/Swedes/{insert country] hate America simply because it is trendy and cool. Yay, I can make up stats too to support my claims!

This is not about nationalism, but about being educated, objective, mature and NOT throwing in side insults here and there when the key point is ONE TRIAL, NOT the moral standing of an entire diverse nation. The cutting words towards america are not your main point, but people do take notice none the less. Plus, in this age of internet, I am sure anyone who really wanted to could find various court records of disastrous court proceedings in France..or Italy...or anywhere really. And again is why those in glass houses...

But also, your points are lessened in the eyes of some because you feel the need to get in your little barbs here and there. Say what you will about the case itself, but what is the point of making blanket statements about an entire country? It is so tempting to lay it on thick with France and some of her embarrassments (and crazy court verdicts), but I will refrain out of respect for the many many friends I do have there. Trust me, dating a Frenchie for three and a half years made me privy to a lot of things. In the words of her "we aren't perfect either!" Though I know it must be easier for you to imagine us all as beer guzzling, chip eating couch potatoes, some of us do know a thing or two about the world (been to 20+ countries, lived in 2 others) and won't tolerate ignorance in regards to any country. I will be just as happy to defend China (and have against other ignorant westerners) or even France or Japan or any thing if I see some misguided and/or hypocritical and/or uneducated words being spoken.

posted July 07, 2011 05:13 PM            

what you deem blanket statement is not. fact most US citizen did not, in this instance, respect justice. fact, that is dangerous for the US democracy. fact, couple that with death penalty, official execution, ritual killing... whatever you want to call it, and it is the US as a country and what it stand for that is in danger.

death penalty doesn't really make the US look good, along china and other very democratic countries... not

well at least, in china, it is not the population that want to linch AN INNOCENT.

this could happen in france, or somewhere else. but when it does, will talk about it. will you? right now, it is in the US that it is happening, unless u ddon't see it.

you blame me for making blanket statements about a country, and I blame you for not having anything to say on the topic matter, the trial of casey anthony.

posted July 07, 2011 05:19 PM            

I agree to that, and I think people came together to lynch her because they had an opportunity to finally agree on something when most of the time they do not share anything in common. it is sad that an organised murder can create such a good outcome. but as you say, we all have things to work on.

a more developed answer here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/002622.html

posted July 07, 2011 05:27 PM            

First of all 1. Many citizens are appalled by it. 2. We have FIFTY STATES - some of which ABOLISHED the DP (at least a dozen if not more) or have the DP BUT have NOT used it in years (at least 5-10 more)! 3. I am pretty sure that in 2010, only a few dozen DP occurred (under 50 I bet) in the entire country. I do not personally agree with the DP, but, that is at least a promising stat and shows we are not so "gung ho" about it as you might think. Please understand how things work here a little more. Yes, everything in Texas is bigger, as most of the DPs occur there. Texas has 5x as many DP as the state with the second most. But again, diverse land, many opinions, including states that abolished the DP BEFORE France did.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but France, until the mid 80s or even early 90s, had itself, not abolished the DP, right? Not too long ago, really.

In China, trust me, there are "lynch mob" type behaviors. I did live there for two years too, befriended many, even got engaged to a Chinese and learned so much about that land, good and bad.