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jwhop
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posted July 06, 2010 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww katatonic, you're just upset that Sarah Palin has a combination of intelligence, beauty, common sense and charisma which cannot be found in women on the left....and now, money too.

It's no secret that O'Bomber comes off looking like the empty suit he is...every time he tangles with Palin.

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posted July 13, 2010 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "Sage of Baltimore", H.L. Menken, an early 20th Century newspaper man and social critic, once observed that nobody ever went broke by underestimating the taste of the American people.
No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the ignorance of the American voter. American people are ignorant especially of basic geography and history. Further they suffer from a terminal attention deficit syndrome. Together these shortcomings routinely prevent us from being able to understand complex thoughts and issues that cannot be reduced to thirty second sound bits.

This is exacerbated by the modern phenomenon of public polling and then treating the results as actual news. As any rational examination demonstrates, most polls are virtually meaningless and even if well conducted the average poll respondent is incapable of understanding or indifferent to what is really being asked. These are harsh judgments, but with a good deal of evidence. Voteers may lack the sagacity so often attributed to them by politicians seeking their votes. Any serious reading of the Federalist Papers or... the U.S. Constitution will reveal that far from having a faith in the abiding wisdom of the people our founding fathers considered them inflammatory dweebs, and tried to limit their influence in government. Were they correct??

http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

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posted July 13, 2010 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Any serious reading of the Federalist Papers or... the U.S. Constitution will reveal that far from having a faith in the abiding wisdom of the people our founding fathers considered them inflammatory dweebs, and tried to limit their influence in government."...Node

Spoken like one who has never read the US Constitution or the Federalist Papers.

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posted July 13, 2010 03:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if the people were expected to understand the issues and make their own decisions we probably would have a DEMOCRACY, you know, where everyone votes on all matters of concern to the nation and one man/one vote was counted as equal to all others. instead we have a REPRESENTATIVE government where people who specialize in these things are elected by the people, who can be swayed by all manner of lesser concerns to consider a candidate the "right man for the job".

sarah palin is cunning with a facile brightness that deceives...apparently a lot of religious right voters and men 20+ years her senior. as per usual the majority of the american public may prefer her to someone more thoughtful and careful not to jump from frying pan to fire, but that doesn't mean she is "intelligent" or has "common sense".

one small example of how she magnifies her own competence for the hoi polloi is when she talks about her experience as governor of the biggest state in the union (not bringing up the fact that she quit on a dime when it was no longer to her political advantage). yes alaska is LARGE but its population is about the same as portland oregon, so the GOVERNING involved is hardly comensurate with that of, say the state of california, new york, or MOST of the rest of the country's states.

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posted July 13, 2010 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What we have is a Constitutional Republic. The founders despised democracy above all that existed at the time.

As it is...a Constitutional Republic, the majority cannot strip away the rights of the minority.

Aww, you're sore that Sarah Palin beats up on O'Bomber every time the little Marxist Socialist O'Bomber steps out of line...which is constantly. That sounds a lot like whining to me.

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posted July 13, 2010 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two of my favorite 30 second sound bites from Alexander Hamilton in #68


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It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.


It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes. And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place


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posted July 14, 2010 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Federalist 68

"It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture."

So much for the nonsense the founders didn't trust the judgement of the people in selecting their government officers.

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posted July 14, 2010 01:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as it is the majority has stripped away the rights of the minorities. and as has been demonstrated over the centuries he who owns the press can severely influence the opinions of the "people" as to whom they vote for. the fox campaign is a good example. wr hearst was another. it is pretty constant in the history. and as that alabama blogger pointed out, even the revolution was the idea of an active MINORITY not the "will of the people" as it is painted.

i am not "sore" about sarah palin. just amazed at the fact that there are so many who think she has said anything of substance. i haven't noticed her whooping anyone's arse, in fact didn't she lose the election to obama? who is the sore loser?

it's easy to criticize but i suspect a week or two in the white house being subjected to far worse than she has experienced yet in terms of her own medicine(constant criticism and demonizing) would find her VP in the hot seat and her back on the talk show circuit.

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i so can't believe you love her that much jwhops.

stop looking at Pale-in's legs for a minute and realize what kat is saying.

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posted July 14, 2010 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha, you are jealous of Sarah Palin katatonic. You are also angry that she beats the crap out of O'Bomber every time he crosses the line...constantly.

The angry left is scared spitless of Sarah Palin...and they should be. It's the only particle of common sense I can attribute to the left these days.

She does have nice legs cpn but that's not it. I like her mind.

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posted July 14, 2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Does repeating this make it true? In how many threads? How many times?

JW your discernment has been well noted.

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posted July 14, 2010 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Foghorn! It so fits!

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i am not going to go below the belt on this one jwhop, but please spare us the oldest excuse in the book. as i mentioned earlier, it is typical of you to a) pretend you know what i or others who disagree with you are thinking (including obama) and b) to try to undermine your "opponent's" confidence by casting aspersions ...

but sorry, jealous is not it. i wouldn't want to be in her position for anything. and i suspect in a few years she will agree with ME, not you. she's a sideline heckler not strong enough for the game itself. if anyone is jealous it is palin...who thought she was on her way to washington only to find she was a pretty appendage expected to act like barbie...and lost the race AND the thread.

she is a worldwide joke. what's to be jealous of?

oh and i can be boringly repetitive too. what makes you think the WINNER of that race had his arse wupped by the LOSER? you and she make a great pair, sore losers both.

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posted July 14, 2010 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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She does have nice legs cpn but that's not it. I like her mind.

Oh good Cpn, he must prefer shorter women who ply him with martini's

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posted July 14, 2010 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hahaha, you are jealous of Sarah Palin katatonic. You are also angry that she beats the crap out of O'Bomber every time he crosses the line...constantly.

The angry left is scared spitless of Sarah Palin...and they should be. It's the only particle of common sense I can attribute to the left these days.

She does have nice legs cpn but that's not it. I like her mind.


There's nothing to be jealous of. Why would katatonic want to be someone who makes a fool of themselves every time they open their mouth? I am way more jealous of Hillary Clinton because she's been a senator AND Secretary of State and is 10x more intelligent than Sarah Palin (who was, what, the governor of the smallest state? who gives a crap).

Whoppy, you're clearly jealous of Obama and his smokin hot abs and the fact that he's the POTUS.

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no amowls, sarah palin thinks alaska is the BIGGEST state. never mind it has less people in it than portland oregon. never mind they are all drunk all winter to ward off SAD...and a large portion of its physical size is uninhabitable...

but jwhop, the LEFT are not the angry ones. it is the tea party who is urging ARMING ourselves and "it's time for revolution", isn't that why they named themselves the tea party (aside from the cute anacronym of course)

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posted July 15, 2010 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
katatonic, your unbroken string of being wrong is intact.

"but jwhop, the LEFT are not the angry ones."...katatonic

So, to clear up your fog, here's an angry leftist, Chris Matthews commenting on..."the angry left". Matthews says O'Bomber's problems will come from the "Angry Left.

It's not reason, it's not logic, it's not rational thought which drives leftists. It's emotional hot button anger.

Btw, what Matthews said back in 2008 has come true. O'Bomber is taking angry fire from the "Angry Left" nuts.
http://www.netrootz.com/images/groups/group_30/Obamas_problems_will_come_from_angry_left.pdf

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yes because he is not a socialist, as i have been trying to drum into your thick skull for months...but it is the right and wingnut sector who is exploding with angry steam. who is drumming up as much hate as possible on the airwaves and off.

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actually, my mind might be changing on Palin.
for one reason only. the way she is handling the media regarding the soon to be new member of her family. she is exhibiting grace and wisdom, whether under advise or not...strikes me as having class. you know she wants to say, over my dead body will that boy every be a part of my family. ever. she gained a little respect with how she is handling that situation and the media storm.

i don't cook dinner a lot either.

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posted July 16, 2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PPP: Obama, Palin tied 46/46 in 2012 polling
posted at 12:55 pm on July 15, 2010
by Ed Morrissey

No, this is not coming from Rasmussen or an internal GOP poll, but from the normally Democrat-sympathetic Public Policy Polling. PPP pitted Barack Obama against five potential Republican challengers for the 2012 presidential campaign, and the only one Obama beat was … Jan Brewer. Even that, PPP admitted, resulted from Brewer’s lack of name recognition. The headline, though, is Sarah Palin’s dead heat with the President:

"With his approval numbers hitting new lows it’s no surprise that Barack Obama’s numbers in our monthly look ahead to the 2012 Presidential race are their worst ever this month. He trails Mitt Romney 46-43, Mike Huckabee 47-45, Newt Gingrich 46-45, and is even tied with Sarah Palin at 46. The only person tested he leads is Jan Brewer, who doesn’t have particularly high name recognition on the national level at this point.

It’s not that any of the Republican candidates are particularly well liked. Only Huckabee has positive favorability numbers at 37/28. Romney’s at 32/33, Gingrich at 32/42, Palin at 37/52, and Brewer at 17/20. But with a majority of Americans now disapproving of Obama it’s no surprise that a large chunk of them would replace him as President if they had that choice today.
There are two things driving these strong poll numbers for the Republican candidates. The first is a lead with independents in every match up. Romney leads 48-35 with them, Gingrich is up 50-39, Huckabee has a 46-40 advantage, Palin’s up 47-42, and even Brewer has a 38-37 edge."

In case one wonders whether PPP’s sample is to blame, the partisan split favors Democrats by five points, 39/34. That’s probably overstating the actual size of the gap and the percentage of Democrats in the general population, which means that the independents got short shrift as well. Also note that this poll surveyed registered voters, not likely voters — a sampling technique that would tend to favor Democrats and Obama a little more.
The news is almost uniformly bad for Obama in the poll. His approval rating is now seriously underwater at 45/52. That gets even worse among independents, 40/56. He doesn’t get above 46% in any matchup with Republicans, not even Jan Brewer, whom he beats 44/36, with 20% undecided.

For Palin, the numbers show she can play against Obama. She pulls 8% of those who voted for Obama in 2008 and 35% of those who “don’t remember” (?!?), which puts her on par for outreach with Gingrich (9%, 40%), Romney (9%, 32%), and slightly better than Huckabee (6%, 32%). If that’s not vindication for those who argued that Palin couldn’t do as well with unaffiliated voters, it’s cetainly something close to it.

Update: There seems to be some confusion in the comments over the number of people who claimed not to remember how they voted in 2008. That was 9% of the respondents in the survey (combined with those who voted third party). Since Obama won the 2008 popular vote by seven points (53/46) and this Dem +5 poll shows only 46% of respondents acknowledging their vote for Obama, I’d say it’s a healthy probability that most of that 9% voted for Obama and don’t want to acknowledge it now. Of that 9%, Palin wins 35%, Gingrich wins 40%, and so on.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/15/ppp-obama-palin-tied-4646-in-2012-polling/

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the relevant point being that people are still dissatisfied. as they have been for quite awhile.

but pray how does her tying with obama show HIS UNpopularity but HER popularity? no one has noticed that those in power are those who cop the BLAME for things being as they are? nor that whoever came to that conclusion is just a little biassed?

cpn - i gather you must be talking about the daughter's baby's daddy? i'm not up on that story but i did hear that the boy publicly apologized...and that his motive was to gain points in his fight to be a daddy and not totally excluded by the clan...?

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posted July 16, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha , it shows Sarah Palin is just as acceptable to America as O'Bomber.

In a few more months of O'Bomber misrule he'll slide completely off the charts.

"Just 23% now believe the federal government has the consent of the governed. Sixty-eight percent (68%) believe the nation’s Political Class doesn’t care what most Americans think."
www.rasmussenreports.com

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well i'm guessing that the reason a term was designed as 4 years is because the people who worked it out had enough political savvy to know that it takes more than a few months to make your mark on an administration, that change happens slowly, and that were there an election every year or two things would be completely f'ed up with too much change and change about. even more so in this day and age...so don't count yer chickens darlin'. as i recall you were certain obama would lose the election LAST time. oops!

and since no one has had the opportunity to see sarah palin govern, any approval she has is down to conjecture. but again, polls are a waste of time and money unless they include a lot more people than most of them do.

but you always seem to overlook the fact that the president is NOT the government, but one branch of it. as, sadly, does the lady from alaska.

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Hahaha, it shows Sarah Palin is just as acceptable to America as O'Bomber.

That will be a funny road to go down if it comes.

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posted July 16, 2010 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you look at SarahPAC numbers (which I posted on page 8) last post HERE
you realize that Sister Sarah is an accomplished Political Grifter

Currently she has raised 3.3 Mil
She has spent 2.3 Mil
On herself
1+ Mil is left in the till
Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates???? a mere pittance farthing's worth
$52,000

edit: I forgot to mention that Milady has spent nearly the same amount
for copies of her own book to doners
$47,779 on her own book.

Every other PAC that you look at spends their money on getting members of the party elected. Eric Cantor has the largest, and has spent over a mil on the party.

What does Sarah spend her money on? Consultants, more fundraising to keep gas in the jet, and 4 star hotel stays.

Sarah Palin's jobs
1. Wasilla City Council Member from 1992 to 1996
2. The Wasilla Mayor from 1996 to 2002 and part time job, 5,000 ppl
3. Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission's Ethics Supervisor from 2003 to 2004
4. Alaska Governor from December 4, 2006 to July 26, 2009 -770,000 ppl

Occupations from Wiki:
sportscaster
commercial fishing
speaker
political commentator
politician


http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00458588

there is also a Draft Sarah Cmte which has $11,000

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