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jwhop
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posted October 26, 2009 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat
Oct 25, 8:37 AM (ET)
By CALVIN WOODWARD

WASHINGTON Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They're all more profitable than the health insurance industry. In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making "immoral" and "obscene" returns while "the bodies pile up."

Ledgers tell a different reality. Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's anemic compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.

Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative from stable heading into this year, as investors were warned of a stagnant if not shrinking market for private plans.

Insurers are an expedient target for leaders who want a government-run plan in the marketplace. Such a public option would force private insurers to trim profits and restrain premiums to compete, the argument goes. This would "keep insurance companies honest," says President Barack Obama.

The debate is loaded with intimations that insurers are less than straight, when they are not flatly accused of malfeasance.

They may not have helped their case by commissioning a report that looked primarily at the elements of health care legislation that might drive consumer costs up while ignoring elements aimed at bringing costs down. Few in the debate seem interested in a true balance sheet.

But in pillorying insurers over profits, the critics are on shaky ground. A look at some claims, and the numbers:

THE CLAIMS

_"I'm very pleased that (Democratic leaders) will be talking, too, about the immoral profits being made by the insurance industry and how those profits have increased in the Bush years." House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who also welcomed the attention being drawn to insurers'"obscene profits."

_"Keeping the status quo may be what the insurance industry wants their premiums have more than doubled in the last decade and their profits have skyrocketed." Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, member of the Democratic leadership.

_"Health insurance companies are willing to let the bodies pile up as long as their profits are safe." A MoveOn.org ad.

THE NUMBERS:

Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th on the Fortune 500 list of top industries. As is typical, other health sectors did much better - drugs and medical products and services were both in the top 10.

The railroads brought in a 12.6 percent profit margin. Leading the list: network and other communications equipment, at 20.4 percent.

HealthSpring, the best performer in the health insurance industry, posted 5.4 percent. That's a less profitable margin than was achieved by the makers of Tupperware, Clorox bleach and Molson and Coors beers.

The star among the health insurance companies did, however, nose out Jack in the Box restaurants, which only achieved a 4 percent margin.

UnitedHealth Group, reporting third quarter results last week, saw fortunes improve. It managed a 5 percent profit margin on an 8 percent growth in revenue.

Van Hollen is right that premiums have more than doubled in a decade, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation study that found a 131 percent increase.

But were the Bush years golden ones for health insurers?

Not judging by profit margins, profit growth or returns to shareholders. The industry's overall profits grew only 8.8 percent from 2003 to 2008, and its margins year to year, from 2005 forward, never cracked 8 percent.

The latest annual profit margins of a selection of products, services and industries: Tupperware Brands, 7.5 percent; Yahoo, 5.9 percent; Hershey, 6.1 percent; Clorox, 8.7 percent; Molson Coors Brewing, 8.1 percent; construction and farm machinery, 5 percent; Yum Brands (think KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell), 8.5 percent.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091025/D9BI4D6O1.html

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jwhop
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posted November 03, 2009 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
I really didn't think any of the O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinking O'Bomberbots would want to try to deal with this fact. The fact which highlights the lying coming out of O'Bomber's mouth and the mouths of liars in the demoscat controlled Congress.

Health Insurance companies are not ripping off consumer with outrageous insurance policy prices. They're barely getting by on a small profit margin.

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posted November 03, 2009 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
so why do their ceo's get such big bonuses if they are struggling to survive?

as to the lack of response maybe everyone is busy doing something more amusing.

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jwhop
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posted November 03, 2009 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Do you actually know Health Insurance execs are getting huge bonuses katatonic. Or, are you just repeating what you've heard coming out of the mouth of one or another lying Administration official...or the lying O'Bomber himself?

Listen, a net of 2-5% is way under what lots of other businesses expect and produce.
Some of those other businesses were listed...along with their net profits.

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posted November 04, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
On a side note:

The whole argument about a public option creating more competition in the field is absurd. Its implementation will devastate the Health Insurance business and create less competition. In the end there will be only one provider.

Just another of the countless lies spread around by this horribly naive thinking. It is a known fact that competition is vital for a thriving market so this parallel is thrown around to attempt to validate an otherwise feebly brittle solution.

There is something that gives me a sinister feeling about this and yet, at the same time, I find myself delighted by the clash of these forces in the American people. The wisdom of our founding fathers never ceases to amaze me.

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koiflower
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posted November 04, 2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't got time to read this thoroughly, but wondered if you've heard of The Halo Effect ~ Phil Rosenzweig.

People at the top (CEOs) are vulnerable to opinion.

Anyway, I'll try to explain later.

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posted November 04, 2009 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
nosis there ARE places where the mix has worked. and it is not necessarily the thin edge of the wedge.

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jwhop
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posted November 06, 2009 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
katatonic, exactly where are those PLACES where the mix of private insurance and Socialist health care has worked...or is working?

Where are those PLACES where citizens of those countries are not deliberately denied life saving drugs and treatments...surgeries, by their government and who are thereby committing medical murder?

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