posted November 08, 2009 11:32 AM         

Let's call a real Commander in Chief..Bush.

For the sake of contrast, let's call the phony poser occupying the position...O'Bomber.

November 08, 2009
Low key visit to Fort Hood by President and Mrs. Bush
Ethel C. Fenig

No photo ops, no grandstanding, no comments--just a quiet comforting visit from former President George W. Bush and his wife Laura to Fort Hood, Texas.

After traveling to the base, which is about 30 miles from their ranch, the former first couple spent about two hours visiting the wounded before slipping away as unobtrusively as they arrived, specifically telling the base commander no press coverage according to Bill Sammon of Fox News.

A fine example to set. Except President Obama decided to take a break from passing health care reform and holiday at Camp David.

The worst terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 and Obama can't even make it to Fort Hood to visit his wounded troops?

An interesting contrast, don't you think?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/low_key_visit_to_fort_hood_by.html

posted November 08, 2009 02:17 PM         

Still cherishing the W years?
20% of America agrees with you.

Just for the record...

Which past administration was responsible for the black out to photo journalists when soldiers bodies arrived home in Delaware?

Who lifted the ban?

Who instituted that ban using Homeland Security as an excuse?

Which President recently stood vigil to salute the fallen of the bloodiest month on record?

Which President holds the record for most vacation days taken? (33%)

Which President criticized Obama for not taking a longer vacation in Aug '09?

Which President was on a hunting trip when hurricane Katrina made landfall?

Which President was on vacation in Aug 2001 when Intel warned of a severe threat?

Which former first lady said " "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them."

posted November 08, 2009 02:40 PM         

Which president kept America safe for most of 8 years when no one thought it was possible?

Which president made war on terrorists?

Which president demanded terrorists be "read their rights when captured on the battlefield?

Which president said the word "victory" gives him heartburn and went on to mischaracterize the Japanese surrender by misstating history?

Which president makes common cause with America's enemies?

Which president apologizes for America on every possible foreign "apology tour"?

posted November 08, 2009 02:49 PM         

here is one to put under the pillow

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posted November 08, 2009 04:38 PM         

As for your drivel, I don't know what leftist site you got your nonsense from but it won't fly.

Only in the universe of leftists do you get to make up your own facts.

Care to post the source of your nonsense Node?

posted November 08, 2009 05:26 PM         

J- everything posted by me in this thread is common knowledge, and well you know it. Just the facts.

Your response's were amusing.
Don't get those Bermuda's of yours in a twist....

Made war- check
doesn't like golf as much as hunting-check
reading of rights, but rarely arraigned-check

the rest is utter hyperbolic nonsense.

posted November 08, 2009 06:07 PM         

What you mean is some brain dead leftist said it and you felt compelled to post it..with no attribution.

On the other hand, every thing I said was sourced here on this forum. All the things I mentioned came from news stories posted here on other threads.

As for the attacks of 9/11, those were planned in 1998 on Kommander Korruption's watch. Further, Kommander Korruption could have and should have taken bin Laden into custody from the Sudanese in the 1990s when they offered 3 different times to hand over bin Laden, his commanders and their computers, notes and cell phones. Kommander Korruption took a pass.

Further, a Kommander Korruption appointee, Jamie Gorelick, made it impossible for the CIA to share information with the FBI which would have tipped off the FBI terrorists were in the US planning a strike. Goerlick built the wall of separation of information between intelligence agencies and national police. When the DIA identified terrorists in the United States and attempted to tip off the FBI Jamie Gorelick sent Justice Department lawyers to head them off. No sharing of information. A US Attorney...at the time wrote Gorelick and told her that policy would get American citizens killed...and on 9/11, it did.

posted November 08, 2009 06:21 PM         

yes
inconcious

posted November 08, 2009 08:50 PM         

What, oh what could the problem be?

posted November 08, 2009 10:10 PM         

obviously there are about 299,999,000 people in this country who have not confided in YOU jwhop as to what they thought of the war on terror. the nod to 9/11 is duly noted (MOST of 8 years i presume alludes to the fact that it DID happen on their watch)

what i find astounding is that instead of being proactive and working to shape the legislation coming out of congress more to the center...the opposition is just acting like a bunch of mules who don't want to go down the mines. they are in an extreme minority but digging their heels in as if we should do things THEIR way or the highway.

posted November 08, 2009 11:09 PM         

You sir will tell me what is un-factual about anything I posted. Which you have yet to do.
I have posted sources and credits in the past you have not bothered to read them.

Those questions in my first post? It would appear you know very little about the recent past as you have said it is all nonsense.

Are you the party leader in opinion journals?

while you have had the good taste to wait over a year to start a glory days post...
There is no creditable reason to play spin doctor about W and Laura going to Fort Hood. And calling it a terrorist attack on American soil is pure FOX news. You show a decided lack of knowledge about what we have learned about this shooter, and his background.

W never once went to Dover to honor his dead soldiers.
Though he did visit with families a few times.

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder [a 2008 book by former prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi]
is in production as a movie.
Since the book had a MSM black out it became a best seller through word of mouth.

quote:

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Bugliosi argues that Bush intentionally misled Congress and the American people about the evidence that he said mandated going into Iraq and overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Therefore, Bugliosi argues, the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers and 100,000 Iraqi civilians since hostilities began (as of spring 2008) amount at the very least to second-degree murder. He further states that any of the 50 state attorneys general, as well as any district attorney in the United States, has ample grounds to indict Bush for the murder of any soldier or soldiers who live in their state or county.

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It will only be a movie though.
Eric Holder is on hold... and Chaney it would appear is leading a merry waltz through his "questioning"

posted November 08, 2009 11:15 PM         

quote:

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please explain the grain of sanity within this stance!

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posted November 09, 2009 11:20 PM         

1. President Bush was famous for lacking "intellectual curiosity," while President Obama has been called "the smartest guy ever to become President." Who reads more books: Bush or Obama?

2. Bush was often considered to be in the grip of Big Oil. In contrast, Obama is a Harvard-educated lawyer. Which industry contributed more than five times as much as the other to politicians: the oil & gas industry, or lawyers/law firms?

3. Bush's Christian faith was at the core of his political identity, and he was considered to be in the grip of the "religious right," while Obama is considered more open-minded. In fact, Obama has said, "my faith is one that admits some doubt." Which one refers to Jesus more in public speeches?

4. Bush was criticized for excessive federal spending and running up huge deficits. Bush's deficit in 2008 was the largest in history. In fact, President Obama said, It's a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery package after they've presided over a doubling of the national debt ... What I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got us into this fix in the first place.
Whose deficit was more than triple the size of the other's: Bush's in 2008 or Obama's in 2009?

5. While Obama criticized Bush for "a doubling of the national debt," the federal debt held by the public went from 35.1% of GDP in 2000 to 40.8% of GDP in 2008 -- an increase of 16% as of fraction of GDP. What is it expected to be in 2016 under Obama's budget plan?

6. Obama criticized Bush for Guantanamo, military tribunals, wiretaps, troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and "signing statements." Which one of these Bush practices has Obama ended?

Answers:

1. Bush. Obama started reading a book in April and had not finished it by June, putting him on a pace of no more than ten books per year. Bush read forty to ninety-five books a year while President, not counting a new and complete reading of the Bible every year. Bush scored 1206 on his SAT, putting his IQ in the 125-130 range, smarter than 95% of the population and in the company of Lincoln, Rousseau, and Thackeray. He graduated from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard. Obama earned a law degree from Harvard, but has not released any of his academic records. Despite what you might have heard, we know nothing of his IQ, test scores, or grades from any of the schools he attended.

2. Law firms. In the 2010 cycle so far, Lawyers/Law Firms have contributed $33,779,866 (81% to Democrats), and the Oil & Gas industry has contributed $6,293,631 (34% to Democrats). In the 2008 cycle, the numbers were $233,499,989 (76% to Dems) from lawyers and $35,564,322 (23% to Dems). In all, lawyers contributed about six times more to politicians than the Oil & Gas industry.

3. Obama. Per Eamon Javers at Politico, "As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches -- something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings."

4. Obama's 2009 deficit, the largest in U.S. history. It was more than three times that of Bush's record 2008 deficit. Per the Congressional Budget Office, the 2008 deficit was $455 B, and the 2009 deficit was $1,417 B. As a fraction of GDP, it was the largest deficit since 1945.

5. The CBO expects the debt held by the public to be 77.1% of GDP in 2016 under Obama's plan, or an increase of 89% as a fraction of GDP, and the highest level since 1950.

6. None

Guantanamo is still open and probably will be into 2010, maybe longer.
Obama is keeping military tribunals and clandestine wiretapping programs.
Obama plans to keep most troops in Iraq until the summer of 2010. Even then, he is talking of keeping about 50,000 troops there (compared to about 124,000 now). The number of US troops in Afghanistan increased from 37,000 in January 2009 to 62,000 by August 2009, and Obama is expected to send over 30,000 more. Total number of US troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan has increased under Obama so far (from about 184,000 in January to 186,000 in September).
Obama has used signing statements himself.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/bush_or_obama_the_quiz.html

posted November 09, 2009 11:58 PM         

Hahaha, unfactual about what you said Node?

God, where to start.

Oh wait, let's start with Vincent Bugliosi who's a nut case of the worse sort.

Here's some of the Bugliosi drivel.

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
Vincent Bugliosi
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vincent-bugliosi/the-prosecution-of-george_b_102427.html

Of course, the nut Bugliosi is on the right site. The site of other nut cases, The Huff and Puff Post.

Now you Node can believe Bugliosi if you want, it's a free country. But for me, I'm going to take the facts presented in 4 different Commission reports on 9/11. That's 3 separate US bipartisan commissions two of them Congressional Commissions plus the 9/11 Commission and a British Commission which looked into bungled/lying reporting from the BBC.

Their findings were that Bush did not lie to the American people to take the country to war. Bush did not hype intelligence data to stir the pot. Bush did not pressure intelligence analysts for findings conducive to pinning blame on Iraq or Saddam.

In fact, the Commissions found that Bush did not release all the information to the public; some of which was more damming against Saddam and a far stronger reason to go after Saddam. Not for being implicated in 9/11 because at no time did Bush ever accuse Saddam of being connected to the terrorist attacks of 9/11. In fact, Bush said many times there is no evidence Saddam was involved in any operational connections with terrorists who did attack the US on 9/11.

Now Node, that British Commission which did a long review of evidence as a result of what the BBC said about the Blair administration and Bush.

First, that commission found the BBC in serious error. Such error that the 2 top executives of the BBC were forced to resign in disgrace for misinforming the British public. The BBC came within a eyelash of losing their news contract with the British government.

As for what that Commission said about the 16 word blurb Bush delivered in his State of the Union Address; The British have learned Saddam has sought significant quantities of Uranium from Africa...

First, that was perfectly true and the British told US intelligence. The British today still stand by that report to US intelligence.

Lastly Node, the British Commission said...
the statement Bush made was "Well Founded"..which means it's accepted as true.

posted November 12, 2009 03:24 AM         

And irregardless what you think about Helter Skelter writer, and Manson prosecutor Bugliosi....
He, and constitutional law show that ample evidence exists to prosecute the X commander and chief.

You were never troubled by Bush's breathtaking scorn for our international treaty obligations under the United Nations Charter and the Geneva Conventions?
We already know what you thought of torture scandals and the violations of US criminal laws at the highest levels of our government. The President deliberately misled the country into the war in Iraq. W directed the wiretapping of thousands of Americans, in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)--and argued that, as Commander in Chief, he had the right in the interests of national security to override our country's laws--

As a matter of constitutional law, these and other misdeeds constitute grounds. A President, any President, who maintains that he is above the law--and repeatedly violates the law--thereby commits high crimes and misdemeanors, the constitutional standard for impeachment which should have removed him from office. A high crime or misdemeanor is an archaic term that means a serious abuse of power, whether or not it is also a crime, that endangers our constitutional system of government.

I think they were worried about leaving Chaney the keys to the oval office...had he escaped his proper fate as well.

As usual this discussion [?] is a waste of time. Buchaholics will remain loyal. That is fine.

You believe that W acted in the good interests of the Nation. And did a fine job.
Well he did have close to two trillion to blow through. So why not cut taxes endlessly, not pay for anything, and end up with Trillion's in debt.

I will continue to believe that he and many members of his cabinet are criminals.

posted November 12, 2009 12:13 PM         

It's apparent neither you nor the brain dead morons from whom you get your news...and opinions understand how the US government works.

Bush had no power to take the US to war in Iraq or any place else. The power to declare war or authorize the use of military force resides with the Congress of the United States...which passed a "bi-partisan Joint Resolution of Congress authorizing the use of military force to remove Saddam Hussein.

Further, members of Congress were briefed on the intelligence data which had been supplied to Bush...the very same damned intelligence reports and briefings...before Congress passed the Joint Resolution of Congress.

End of the story and your bullshiit Node.

Now Node, I don't give a rat's ass about your personal objection to war...in either specific cases or in all cases.

But Node, I do give a rat's ass about liars and lying for political purposes.

Further Node, get this through your head. What Bush did or did not do is no defense for what O'Bomber is doing or has done.

The equivalence argument(s) are shopworn, disingenuous and have no place in reasonable discussion.

The actions of both parties must stand or fall on their own merits. In the case of Bush, your allegations have been proved false. In the case of O'Bomber, everything I've said about O'Bomber has been backed up and he's done and said exactly what I said he said or did.

I've made my displeasure known about some of what Bush was doing or had done. I made my points to my members of Congress and the Republican National Committee...and to the White House.

The arguments here centered on the war. On that subject, Bush and the Congress were absolutely right to go after al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein even if there were apparent fumbles in the way the aftermath of the battles to remove Saddam unfolded. Even there, Bush took the advice of his commanders on the ground.

Let's contrast that with O'Bomber. O'Bomber said the Surge of troops wouldn't work. In the midst of the Surge working, O'Bomber denied it was working. In the aftermath of the Surge having worked, O'Bomber denied it had worked.

O'Bomber attempted to interfere with the troop withdrawal plan. O'Bomber attempted to get the Iraqi government to put off signing the agreement until after he was sworn in....to take credit for ending the war. O'Bomber was rebuffed by the Iraqis and they made his interference known to the world.

Interfering with negotiations between nations by those not authorized to conduct policy of the United States is a violation of the Logan Act. It's a punishable felony offense.

posted November 13, 2009 08:20 PM         

Which past administration was responsible for the black out to photo journalists when soldiers bodies arrived home in Delaware?

Who lifted the ban?

Who instituted that ban using Homeland Security as an excuse?

Which President recently stood vigil to salute the fallen of the bloodiest month on record?

Which President holds the record for most vacation days taken? (33%)

Which President criticized Obama for not taking a longer vacation in Aug '09?

Which President was on a hunting trip when hurricane Katrina made landfall?

Which President was on vacation in Aug 2001 when Intel warned of a severe threat?

Which former first lady said " "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them."