posted June 15, 2010 09:33 AM         

The numb nuts fraud artists you cite have been exposed as the con artists they are.

Real scientists don't need to falsify data.

Real scientists don't need to hide data so it can't be reviewed by other scientists.

Real scientists working on government research grants don't ignore FOIA requests. Phony scientists do because they know their findings and procedures won't stand up to any review by real scientists.

Real scientists don't start out with a pre-conceived notion and proceed to throw every inconvenient fact in the trash can.

posted June 15, 2010 12:29 PM         

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Fred Singer is the foremost credible climate scientist in the world acoustic.

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No he's not. You've never even attempted proving as much, and you couldn't.

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The numb nuts fraud artists you cite have been exposed as the con artists they are.

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No, they haven't. You have an idea in your head, which has been found to be false repeatedly.

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Real scientists don't need to falsify data.

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None have been found to have done this. The one accused of having done this had his temperature reading corroborated by other agencies around the world.

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Real scientists working on government research grants don't ignore FOIA requests.

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There haven't been any FOIA requests. FOIA requests are for the federal government, not scientific agencies. Get your understanding straight.

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Phony scientists do because they know their findings and procedures won't stand up to any review by real scientists.

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My scientists write peer reviewed papers...unlike Fred Singer. They get their work reviewed by real scientists every day ******* . (d u m b a s s is censored now?)

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Real scientists don't start out with a pre-conceived notion and proceed to throw every inconvenient fact in the trash can.

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It's not nice to project your own "scientific" psychology on to legitimate scientists.

There is no evidence to suggest that any of them started with a pre-conceived notion. You better start legitimizing your claims, because all this stuff is just patently false.

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You really are a masochist aren't you acoustic. You should perhaps get some professional help while there's still time.

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If you're expecting that you can shame me into backing down, I think that's funny. There's only one way for you to escape this debate as the winner, and that's to start legitimizing your claims. Bring on the science. That's the only way you'll get me to back out.

posted June 15, 2010 01:22 PM         

Their emails detail the lengths they went to... "hide the decline" in temperatures.

The "hockey stick" graph was another attempt to hide the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age.

They got caught. Their reputations are in tatters and no real scientist will ever trust them again....nor should anyone else except the true believers in the crackpot religion of man made global warming...like you acoustic.

The reputation of the IPCC is also in tatters for their outlandish, fraudulent, phony claims and numerous errors in their so called reports.

posted June 15, 2010 01:59 PM         

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The man made global warming religious choir is dwindling to a chorus of one acoustic. Let me suggest you quit, turn in your choir robe and get yourself some professional help.

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And let me suggest to you that you start finding some science, because NOTHING you opine (or try to frame as favorable to your position) is going to change the science.

posted June 16, 2010 12:43 PM         

In fact acoustic, the only way you ever get near the truth is by accident.

posted June 16, 2010 01:32 PM         

As far as recognizing the truth, the truth is that science is well established regarding global warming.

posted June 16, 2010 04:08 PM         

Anyway, SCIENCE SAYS that global warming isn't happening. We are simply going through the Planet Earths cycles and since we spend such a small fraction of Earths or our time actually inhabiting Earth, Scientific views are highly insignificant.
What is happening now is false flags. Diversions from truth.

posted June 16, 2010 05:07 PM         

You on the other hand believe whatever the public can be made to believe...is the truth.

Well acoustic, the public has caught on to the lying man made global warming crackpot's scams. As a result, global warming is the last item on the list of things which concern Americans.

posted June 16, 2010 06:22 PM         

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You on the other hand believe whatever the public can be made to believe...is the truth.

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And by this you mean real scientists that report their findings? Yes, I do. You don't. That's disturbing.

Furthermore, it's not me that has my eye on the opinion pages and blogs for news. That's you. You're constantly looking for someone to provide you with a perspective. That's something you have NO WAY of denying. You post the stuff here. It's obvious.

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Well acoustic, the public has caught on to the lying man made global warming crackpot's scams. As a result, global warming is the last item on the list of things which concern Americans.

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This doesn't DISPROVE global warming, does it? It's not a matter of public opinion. It's a matter of the science of the climate.

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Btw, Lara is right.

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posted June 18, 2010 09:41 AM         

Those of us with Mercury in Virgo despise lies because we use FACTS to guide our decisions and inform our opinions.

It's you who are constantly looking for someone else's opinions acoustic. That's the reason that, in the beginning, I sent you to some websites so they could "give you your opinion".

You believe anyone with a degree in science is a scientist. That's faulty reasoning considering that almost anyone who can fog a mirror with their breath at the end of the course study can get a degree.

You fail to note the evidence of self interest among so called scientists in the man made global warming religion. Got to keep those government research grants coming...to study global warming. Global warming which the foremost proponent Phil Jones of the CRU said stopped in 1995.

posted June 18, 2010 12:10 PM         

Yes, you're supposed to take astrology lessons from a guy who GETS astrology. Not a jackass who can't understand Jan Spiller's rather simply written work.

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Those of us with Mercury in Virgo despise lies because we use FACTS to guide our decisions and inform our opinions.

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Not in your case. Your a Leo Sun with Uranus squaring it. You've got a fixed rebellious view of things. That rebellion extends to rebelling against realistic truth. You're the only person here who believes you haven't been proven wrong time and time again over the course of years! That's crazy. This global warming stuff is exactly the same. You believe that because you want to deny it that you're right. Science doesn't agree with your assessment. Not only so, but you've not been able to argue against the science.

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It's you who are constantly looking for someone else's opinions acoustic. That's the reason that, in the beginning, I sent you to some websites so they could "give you your opinion".

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It's NEVER been me whose been looking for other opinions. I look for answers to questions. I look for proof that I'm right in thinking that you're wrong, and I find them. That you think you've sent me to sites to get opinions is stupid. You yourself POST opinion pieces constantly from opinion sites and blogs. That's all you. You're projecting again.

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You fail to note the evidence of self interest among so called scientists in the man made global warming religion. Got to keep those government research grants coming...to study global warming.

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No. You FAIL to UNDERSTAND that the government isn't looking for global warming to be true. It's not in the government's self-interest that global warming should be real. As such, it can't be in the scientist's self-interest either. The study is the study of the climate regardless of whether they find global warming or not. That's a ludicrous lapse in logic.

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Again acoustic, you show your misogynist
streak by attacking Lara who has more common sense in her little finger than you have in your entire body.

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posted June 18, 2010 02:22 PM         

You will necessarily pardon me if I'm unwilling to take astrological lessons from you. You can't even get Sun Sq Uranus right.
Sun Square Uranus give a uniqueness to the personality, dynamism and the toughness to not be pushed in directions the native doesn't want to go. I can attest to the fact that no one has ever...since I was about 10..been able to make me do something I don't want to do.

Such ignorance is seldom seen.

Of course the government has an overriding self interest in man made global warming being true. It's not true but think of all those Trillions of dollars stolen from the pockets of taxpayers under O'Bomber's Cap and Tax nonsense. Also think about all those Trillions to be made by buds of O'Bomber involved in the carbon units trading businesses.

Sure acoustic, you do need the opinions of others to have anything to say here.

That's the reason I sent you to some websites which could "give you your opinions".

For all you know acoustic, Lara is in the 5% group of geniuses. I can attest to the fact you are not.

posted June 18, 2010 02:25 PM         

and since when is debate all about f-you, no YOU f-you...ad nauseam?

posted June 18, 2010 03:23 PM         

We have been over Jan Spiller ad nauseum, Jwhop, and you were ALWAYS incorrect. There's no evidence of my operating from my Cancerian South Node here. Clearly no one need take care of me, and if anyone's managing the situation here it's me. You should listen to Spiller.

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Sun Square Uranus give a uniqueness to the personality, dynamism and the toughness to not be pushed in directions the native doesn't want to go

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A certain rebelliousness, a certain kind of mind that seems open while not actually being open at all. Yes, I know your Uranus square Sun just fine.

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Of course the government has an overriding self interest in man made global warming being true.

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Considering that most of the science that contradicts your global warming denialist sentiment was done during Bush's administration I find that virtually impossible to believe.

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Sure acoustic, you do need the opinions of others to have anything to say here.

That's the reason I sent you to some websites which could "give you your opinions".

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You keep saying that, but it keeps being untrue.

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You've showed your misogynist streak to other women on this site acoustic.

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posted June 18, 2010 03:40 PM         

Acoustic, i already have your number on here so anything you say about me is kinda "what-ever". My IQ is unfathomable to yourself because you deal in media brain-washing so anything i tell you, you will believe.
yawn.....

Jwhop, thanks. I do have a fair dose of common sense and i know a scam when i see one, such as GLOBAL WARMING! Nothing new there... all Acoustic Dog has to do is google planetary activity and he will find this out for himself. i have a friend whom is an explorer and his findings correlate with those of global warming being a scam. He is currently lecturing at UK Universities with his findings.
Scientists are easy to get 'shot of' if they go against the grain of what the Governments wish us to hear anyway, as you already know.

posted June 18, 2010 04:09 PM         

A Stanford link came up. Stanford's a notable University.
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html

"Solar variability certainly plays a minor role, but it looks like only a quarter of the recent variations can be attributed to the Sun. At most."

Hmmm... not looking too good.

Let's go back to the top; the LiveScience link:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html

"While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species. "

Uh oh.

Skeptical Science made the first page, too. Unfortunately, I know their going to confirm the above:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm

"Secondly, the theory that a brightening sun is causing global warming falls apart when you consider the sun has shown little to no trend since the 1950s."

posted June 18, 2010 05:02 PM         

NASA was actually caught faking "warming" data. They simply copied September temperatures and submitted the same figures for October. They then claimed October was the hottest it's been in decades.

posted June 18, 2010 05:17 PM         

I guess your link is supposed to be separate, because it didn't answer the above questions. Nor did it prove global warming a hoax.

posted June 18, 2010 05:26 PM         

NASA faked the temperatures, this is nothing to do with the other link, which is merely a snack bar.