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posted September 16, 2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just the truth....period emitres

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posted September 16, 2010 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i also agree that global warming isn't necessarily solely caused by us... and i do not advocate everyone everywhere jump on the vegan band-wagon... people need to look at the big environmental picture, not just the obviously negative points

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posted September 16, 2010 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
one day jwhop you will post something that is actually the truth, or the facts even...and not someone's considered opinion complete with caricature names and judgments unsupported by facts. your latest certainly does not measure up to your stated criteria.

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posted September 16, 2010 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just the truth? your truth or mine? truth is not always in the same category as facts...

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posted September 17, 2010 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyway jwhop i think since you demand proof that those are hybrids it would be the "right thing" for you, who posted the story and picture, to find out what model they are...since your writer/photog didn't bother to check that out it is irresponsible "reporting" to say the least. and before you ask ME for proof you need to provide some.

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posted September 20, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too hot? It's global warming.
Too Cold? It's global warming.
Just right? It's global warming.
Too much rain? It's global warming.
Drought? It's global warming.
Normal rainfall? It's global warming.
Hurricanes? It's global warming.
No hurricanes? It's global warming.
Blizzards? It's global warming.
No snow? It's global warming.
Normal snowfall? It's global warming.
Irish Potato Famine? It was global warming.

Oh wait, Global Warming is OUT...because the only people who can be conned into believing the earth is warming need help getting themselves up and dressed in the morning.

So, the new buzz words of the man made global warming hoax are....

"Global Climate Disruption"

Got that?
Global Warming is OUT.

These harebrained morons think they can simply change a name for man made global warming and everyone will forget all about the corruption, hoaxes and scandals associated with the phonies and crackpot scientists when they were running their cons earlier.

You know, it's frightening to think there are universities who have bestowed a PhD instead of a D or F, a Masters, a Bachelors or that there's even a high school which would hand out a diploma to John Holdren who is the airhead O'Bomber's Science Czar.

Education has reached such a sorry state it should be deprived of public funds to keep the doors open.

If parents want to send their kids to the edifices of educational disaster then let them do so on their own dime and leave the rest of us out of the mix. Thank you, thank you very much.

White House: Global Warming Out, 'Global Climate Disruption' In
Published September 16, 2010

From the administration that brought you "man-caused disaster" and "overseas contingency operation," another terminology change is in the pipeline.

The White House wants the public to start using the term "global climate disruption" in place of "global warming" -- fearing the latter term oversimplifies the problem and makes it sound less dangerous than it really is.

White House science adviser John Holdren urged people to start using the phrase during a speech last week in Oslo, echoing a plea he made three years earlier. Holdren said global warming is a "dangerous misnomer" for a problem far more complicated than a rise in temperature.

The call comes as Congress prepares to adjourn for the season without completing work on a stalled climate bill. The term global warming has long been criticized as inaccurate, and the new push could be an attempt to re-shape climate messaging for next year's legislative session.

"They're trying to come up with more politically palatable ways to sell some of this stuff," said Republican pollster Adam Geller, noting that Democrats also rolled out a new logo and now refer to the Bush tax cuts as "middle-class tax cuts."

He said the climate change change-up likely derives from flagging public support for their bill to regulate emissions. He said the term "global warming" makes the cause easy to ridicule whenever there's a snowstorm.

"Every time we're digging our cars out -- what global warming?" he said. "(Global climate disruption is) more of a sort of generic blanket term, I guess, that can apply in all weather conditions."

It's unclear why Holdren prefers "global climate disruption" over "climate change," the most commonly used alternative to "global warming."

Asked about the speech, Holdren spokesman Rick Weiss said only that the Office of Science and Technology Policy has been transparent about Holdren's remarks.

"The PowerPoint for Dr. Holdren's Oslo presentation has been public on our website since the day after he returned," he said.

Click here to see the presentation.

In a 2007 presentation, Holdren suggested a similar phrase change -- "global climatic disruption."

The explanation he gave last week was that the impact from greenhouse gas emissions covers a broad "disruption" of climate patterns ranging from precipitation to storms to hot and cold temperatures. Those changes, he said, affect the availability of water, productivity of farms, spread of disease and other factors.

He's not the first scientist to publicly veer away from "global warming." NASA published an analysis on its website in 2008 explaining that it avoids the term because temperature change "isn't the most severe effect of changing climate."

"Changes to precipitation patterns and sea levels are likely to have much greater human impact than the higher temperatures alone," the report said.

But Republicans predicted that re-branding the issue would have limited effect on the legislative effort. GOP strategist Pete Snyder said he doubts the term is going to change hearts and minds.

"Are they going to change the name of weathermen to disruption analysts?" he quipped. GOP lawmakers already exploited a terminology change of their own by re-branding the "cap-and-trade" bill as "cap-and-tax."

Holdren's "global climate disruption" isn't the most convoluted term to grace the climate debate, however.

According to the NASA article, early studies on the impact humans had on global climate referred to the relationship as "inadvertent climate modification."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/16/white-house-global-warming-global-c limate-disruption/

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posted September 20, 2010 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a 2007 presentation, Holdren suggested a similar phrase change -- "global climatic disruption."

obviously he has not trotted this out for today's special circumstances then, nor to make it easier to pass legislation that wasn't even a glimmer in the eye of the last administration (2007, right?)...

and i doubt very much that ANYONE in the administration, dem or republican, went to public school, so your insinuation that this guy did is most likely way off base.

i notice you have avoided showing any evidence that those SUVs you were crowing about on the last page were NOT hybrids too. what's up with that doc?

actually climate change and "disruption" do more accurately describe what has been going on, have you noticed that what was typical weather in one region seems to have swapped with that in others lately? florida's cold winter and alaska's warm one, for instance?

once again i don't think the problem is so much about "saving the planet" as it is "saving the human-friendly ecosystems", ie, keeping earth hospitable for us peeps...i am not crazy about all the rhetoric either, jwhop but the US is falling behind in modern fuel technologies every minute we squabble about how much we need to use coal and oil, production of both being hazardous to the humans involved, the ecology of surrounding areas, etc.

whether or not we are CAUSING the climate "disruptions" i think the challenge is whether we can prevent environmental disaster BEFORE it really happens...

personally i don't think we can really do that much and i am wary of trying too hard, since it seems every time we intervene with nature we tend to make things worse. but i doubt that will stop the ruling classes from trying, since control of every kind seems to be all they are interested in!

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posted September 20, 2010 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop,

His thinking it's about labels is as inconsequential as your belief that things are about labels. Regardless what label is used the science remains the same.. That's all there is to it. I understand his frustration with the deniers who don't have a clue about the data, but whatever the climate change is called, it remains.

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posted September 27, 2010 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahaha

The crackpot science of man made global warming is a total crock and always was a total crock.

Even the global elites are running away from the issue.

September 27, 2010
Global Power Elite Backing Away from Global Warming
Charles Cochran

James Delingpole at the Telegraph in the UK, discusses a recent meeting of the elite Bilderburger Group that had the subject of Global Cooling on its agenda.

At its June meeting in Sitges, Spain (unreported and held in camera, as is Bilderberg's way), some of the world's most powerful CEOs rubbed shoulders with notable academics and leading politicians. They included: the chairman of Fiat, the Irish Attorney General Paul Gallagher, the US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke, Henry Kissinger, Bill Gates, Dick Perle, the Queen of the Netherlands, the editor of the Economist.... Definitely not Z-list, in other words.

Which is what makes one particular item on the group's discussion agenda so tremendously significant. See if you can spot the one I mean:

The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 - 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations.

Yep, that's right. Global Cooling.

Which means one of two things.

Either it was a printing error.

Or the global elite is perfectly well aware that global cooling represents a far more serious and imminent threat to the world than global warming, but is so far unwilling to admit it except behind closed doors.

He then goes on to discuss the ways in which "dodgy" politicians and governments will attempt to slide out from under the discredited AGW label:

Watch the global power elite squirming to reposition itself as it slowly distances itself from Anthropogenic Global Warming ("Who? Us? No. We never thought of it as more than a quaint theory..."), and tries to find new ways of justifying green taxation and control. (Ocean acidification; biodiversity; et al). You'll notice sly shifts in policy spin. In Britain, for example, Chris "Chicken Little" Huhne's suicidal "dash for wind" will be re-invented as a vital step towards "energy security." There will be less talk of "combatting climate change" and more talk of "mitigation". You'll hear enviro-Nazis like Obama's Science Czar John Holdren avoid reference to "global warming" like the plague, preferring the more reliably vague phrase "global climate disruption."...***Bingo!

He points out that we, as private, voting citizens must put a stop to this lunacy or they will get away with it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/global_power_elite_backing_awa.html

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posted September 27, 2010 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A group of non-scientists and politicians...yeah, I'm sure they know better than the scientific community.

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posted September 27, 2010 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Further a quick Google search on Bill Gates and "climate change" will rather quickly dispute any notion of his disbelief in the adverse affects of human-caused CO2 emissions. I'm afraid your blog is misleading you once again.

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posted September 28, 2010 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Caught reading without comprehension again, eh acoustic.

The article laying out the Bilderburger meeting agenda came from James Delingpole of the Telegraph. That agenda, in part is..."Global Cooling"!

Nevertheless, the AT article strikes just the right theme with O'Bomber's nutcase so called "Science Czar"...who by the way is running away from man made global warming as fast as his little leftist feet can take him.

"There will be less talk of "combatting climate change" and more talk of "mitigation". You'll hear enviro-Nazis like Obama's Science Czar John Holdren avoid reference to "global warming" like the plague, preferring the more reliably vague phrase "global climate disruption."

When did Bill Gates become a "climate scientist"? I must have missed that.

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posted September 28, 2010 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When did Queen Beatrix become a climate scientist? They included Bill Gates as a high-profile name, but it's completely misleading to imply he was there because he had global cooling concerns. He's for power production with zero CO2 emissions. It doesn't matter if your blog got its info from the Telegraph, it's still plainly misleading.

Once again I remind you that it doesn't matter what label they put on global warming, or how they intend to tackle it. The science is still the same, and it still points to the same trend.

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posted September 28, 2010 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John P. Holdren addresses climate change, stressing need for international cooperation
September 28th, 2010 In a recent keynote address before the Kavli Science Forum: 2010 in Oslo, Dr. John P. Holdren -- science advisor to U.S. President Barack Obama -- provided insight into why climate change is a priority to the Obama administration, and pressed the need for an international effort to mitigate, and adapt to, what he termed the effects of "global climate disruption."

"We cannot solve the great problems of our time alone - any of us - as individual nations," he stated. "We need to solve them together, and science and technology pursued together are going to be immensely important elements of those solutions."

Holdren spoke before an audience that included scientists and leaders key to influencing science policy in the US, Europe and Asia. In addressing the international Forum, Holdren framed climate change not only as a critical environmental issue, but one that strikes at the security needs and economic vitality of nations. "Without energy there is no economy; without climate there is no environment; without economy and environment there is no material well being, there's no civil society, there's no personal or national security. And the problem is that the world is getting most of the energy its economies need in ways that are wrecking the climate its environment needs. That is the fundamental dilemma and the fundamental challenge we face."

Holdren noted that the focus now is on mitigating climate change, adapting to what cannot be mitigated, and reducing the suffering for what can't be mitigated or adapted to. "We're doing some mitigation, we're doing some adaptation, we're doing some suffering... What's up for grabs - what's at stake - is the future mix of mitigation and adaptation and suffering. And minimizing the amount of suffering in that mix, which is certainly what we want to do, can only be achieved by doing a lot of mitigation and a lot of adaptation."

He also countered the "myths of climate change": that global warming is simply natural; has been happening for years without consequence; isn't damaging now and if there is a danger, it's in the distant future; and that "the emails stolen from the climate research unit at the University of East Anglia and the mistakes that the IPCC made have shown that mainstream climate science is deeply flawed."

To this last claim, Holdren said, "[N]othing in the email or the IPCC controversies rises to a level that would call into question [our core understandings of climate change]. ...Because of their relevance to policy choices in part, key findings from climate science have been subjected to unprecedentedly extensive peer review." As for any suggestion that global climate disruption should not be attributed to human activity, Holdren stated, "I suggest that policy makers should not bet... that the mainstream science view is wrong. That would be a bad bet."

Provided by The Kavli Foundation
http://www.physorg.com/wire-news/47139225/john-p-holdren-addresses-climate-change-stressing-need-for-inter.html

For someone who's supposedly trying to reframe this in new speech, he sure sounds as if he's talking exactly the same as all the climate scientists on the issue. I think it's safe to give the "rolleyes" to that one. He accurately conveyed the science, and Conservatives tried to twist it into something else.

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posted October 01, 2010 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess man made global warming must be real after all.

The discredited, dishonorable so called scientists at the CRU at East Anglia U say it's so.

The discredited, dishonorable so called scientist Richard Mann at University of Pennsylania says it's so.

The discredited, dishonorable head of the IPCC at the United Nations says it's so.

But the final proof man made global warming is real comes from the scientist bin Laden of al-Qaeda.

Bin Laden criticizes Pakistan relief, urges climate action
* Al Qaeda leader urges action against climate change
By Martina Fuchs and Tamara Walid

DUBAI, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden criticised relief efforts in Pakistan and called for action against climate change in what appeared to be a new audio tape from the al Qaeda leader issued on Friday in an Islamist forum.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6901DG20101001

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posted October 06, 2010 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spreading a little awareness about the Man Made Global Warming Nuts.

Backlash: Graphic Climate Ad Under Fire
Posted on October 4, 2010 at 8:14pm by Meredith Jessup

Environmental activists are working to distance themselves from a violent advocacy video that hit the Internet last week depicting the gruesome murder of climate change skeptics. The four-minute video was produced by a London-based group called 10:10 and was removed almost immediately after it debuted. However, bloggers and news media have replayed the video, sparking critical backlash around the world. Though 10:10 claims the film was intended to be comedic, the response has been anything but funny

Video
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/backlash-public-outcry-mounts-over-horrific-no-pressure-enviro-ad/

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posted October 06, 2010 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's....Man Made Global Warming

Coldest winter in 1,000 years on its way
04 October, 2010, 22:20
Edited 06 October, 2010, 12:23

After the record heat wave this summer, Russia's weather seems to have acquired a taste for the extreme.

Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.

The change is reportedly connected with the speed of the Gulf Stream, which has shrunk in half in just the last couple of years. Polish scientists say that it means the stream will not be able to compensate for the cold from the Arctic winds. According to them, when the stream is completely stopped, a new Ice Age will begin in Europe.

So far, the results have been lower temperatures: for example, in Central Russia, they are a couple of degrees below the norm.

“Although the forecast for the next month is only 70 percent accurate, I find the cold winter scenario quite likely,” Vadim Zavodchenkov, a leading specialist at the Fobos weather center, told RT. “We will be able to judge with more certainty come November. As for last summer's heat, the statistical models that meteorologists use to draw up long-term forecasts aren't able to predict an anomaly like that.”

In order to meet the harsh winter head on, Moscow authorities are drawing up measures to help Muscovites survive the extreme cold.

Most of all, the government is concerned with homeless people who risk freezing to death if the forecast of the meteorologists come true. Social services and police are being ordered to take the situation under control even if they have to force the homeless to take help.

Moscow authorities have also started checking air conditioning systems in all socially important buildings. All the conditioners are being carefully cleaned from the remains of summer smog.
http://rt.com/prime-time/2010-10-04/coldest-winter-emergency-measures.html

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posted October 28, 2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there anyone on earth who by now doesn't realize that the man made global warming nuts don't believe a single word of their own rhetoric?

If they did, they wouldn't continue to do the things Algore and the crackpot global warming scientists do in their own lives...while lecturing and hectoring the rest of us to do just the opposite.

Gore leaves car idling for one hour during speech; Opts for Swedish government jet over public transportation
'Local legislation prohibits any car engine running for more than 60 seconds' -- But Gore Not Fined

Thursday, October 28, 2010By Marc Morano – Climate Depot
Reprinted from CFACT.EU

Frankly Sir, You Are an Embarrassment


Posted: 27 Oct 2010 10:35 AM PDT
By Einar Du Rietz


Al Gore -- He did it again.

Recently, Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore toured again. Or maybe he does that all the time. This time, he turned up in Gothenburg (Sweden) for the usual alarmist talk. In advance, all distinguished guests were politely advised to – if possible – use any form of public transportation to go to the event, in order to minimize CO2 emissions.

Intriguingly, the Master of World Climate himself arrived in a rental car (with or without driver is unclear), from the airport, and subsequently left the engine running for the entire lecture. That is to say, about one hour. Incidentally, local legislation prohibits – for very good environmental reasons, i e pollution – any car engine running on empty for more than 60 seconds. Fines are severe. As far as I know, he was not fined.

It starts to form a pattern.

After the ceremony in the Norwegian capital Oslo, it is customary that the laureate is invited to the Swedish capital Stockholm, for a cordial visit. The train ride, supposedly the environmental choice according to Mr. Gore, is approximately four hours. However, he opted for the cosier ride with one of the Swedish government aircrafts. As these can, according to the rules, only be used when a cabinet member is on board – and as the Swedish government after a short ceremonial visit – offered to fly him to Frankfurt (Germany) for his flight to the US, you can calculate both the manpower and the fuel used for this grand tour against man's destruction of the planet.

Stupidity and hypocracy – as well as vanity –are, like it or not common human traits. I admit to some of them occasionally, but I don't demand taxpayers to finance my stupid talks at dinner (yes, I love doing that). Here's the deal Mr Gore: get out of my way, and I will keep out of yours.

[About the Author: Einar Du Rietz is a journalist and communications consultant based in Europe. He has authored several environmental reports for the Electrolux Group and loads of blogs for the Center for the New Europe at CNE Environment.]
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/8595/Gore-leaves-car-idling-for-one-hour-during-speech-Opts-for-Swedish-government-jet-over-public-transportation

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posted November 19, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the beginning of the "man made global warming" nonsense coming out of the United Nations, I maintained global warming had nothing to do with their agenda but that rather global warming was the UN vehicle to give the UN control over the earth's energy resources.

The United Nations is finally admitting that was the game all along.

It's always been about Socialist redistribution policies, furthered by leftist 3rd rate so called scientists who have treated man made global warming as the leftist religion de jure.

Look for Congressional investigations of the hack man made global warming scientists...and members of the O'Bomber administration who are attempting to cram "tax and cap" legislation down America's throat.

November 18, 2010
IPCC Expert admits UN goal is Wealth Redistribution
Marc Sheppard

One need read no further than the U.N. International Climate Accord [PDF] ultimately shot down at Copenhagen’s climate summit last year to understand the organization’s international wealth redistribution goals. The failed treaty actually contained as many paragraphs outlining the payment of "climate debt" reparations by Western nations as it did emission reduction schemes.

Indeed, for nearly 50-years the U.N. has formulated its own unique brand of “social justice” under the guise of “saving the planet” by demonizing one byproduct of Western economic growth or another. Carbon Dioxide is, of course, merely the devil’s derivative du jour.

Now, a high-ranking member of the U.N’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has admitted that climate policy has little to do with environmental protection.

On Sunday, Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and IPCC Co-chair of Working Group III on Mitigation of Climate Change, told the Neue Zürcher Zeitung (translated) that “climate policy is redistributing the world's wealth” and that “it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization.”

Edenhofer went on to explain that in Cancun, the redistribution of not only wealth but also natural resources will be negotiated, adding that:

The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War.

And another shot at playing Robin Hood with Americans’ money. As I addressed yesterday:

Now consider the U.N. plan to levy a climate reparations tax on the developed world (read that United States) on everything from airline flights and international shipping to fuel and financial transactions to the tune of $100 billion annually. That scheme is backed by both Obama advisor Lawrence Summers and radical anti-American billionaire George Soros as a means to meet the annual figure “international leaders” agreed to in Copenhagen and will be a primary goal at Cancun in a few weeks.

Will Barack Obama and his fellow recently repudiated Democrats actually entertain incurring further international debt on the backs of strapped American taxpayers (whose belief in AGW is at an all-time low), given Edenhofer’s staggering affirmation?

Stay tuned.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/ipcc_expert_admits_un_goal_is.html

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posted November 19, 2010 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a) i don't agree that belief in climate change is at an all time low.

b) nor do i agree that "the developed world" translates as the usa! how egocentric can we get, please?

sorry but are we going to sit to the side on our hands while china races forward with renewable technology into the 21st century without us? while not having much truck with the whole climate argument, which has as many sides as a fine cut crystal ball, we undeniably need CLEANER air, water, energy and food...all of which depend on getting away from coal (the production of which creates major toxic problems in the surrounding area) and oil and moving toward at the very least NATURAL GAS, solar and other clean power sources.

oh and have we heard that GM is back on its feet in a big way and repaying its loan and then some?

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posted November 19, 2010 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now back to the issue, and not some subverted, I'm-trying-to-make-this-political, nonsense.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/science/earth/14ice.html?_r=1

Up to date article endorsed by actual climate scientists.

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Hahaha

So, some 3rd rate so called scientists are moaning about ice melt.

Hey, what the hell do you think happens to glaciers in the summertime?

Hot flash, ice melts at temperatures above 32*F...you know...summertime temperatures. Wow...but refreezes in the winter temperatures and those glaciers reconstitute themselves.

Oh, and those ice shelves breaking off those glaciers...well, obviously that's never happened before.

Oh wait, nothing new there either.

Gee, I seem to recall reading about ice breaking off glaciers producing "ice bergs".

Seems one in particular broke off long ago...before the advent of the current leftist hysteria about man made global warming.

Travel back in time with me to April 14th, 1912 when an iceberg was floating off the shores of Halifax Nova Scotia.

Gee, it was in all the best newspapers of the day. The RMS Titanic struck one of those icebergs...which broke off long ago from a far north glacier and sank, killing more than 1500 passengers and crew members.

Nothing new here...except for leftist hysteria about an oft repeated cyclic warming and cooling cycle.

Nice try but no cookies and milk for you.

The man made global warming religion is really a political movement attempting to gain control of world wide energy allocation which would punish energy dependent nations...namely, the United States.

No Sale!

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posted November 20, 2010 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've already established that you can't refute the science here, sorry. No amount of acting as if you had common sense is going to fix that.

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What we've established here acoustic...is that a self interested group of leftist moron politicians along with a group of self interested 3rd rate hack scientists have attempted to con the world into giving up their energy independence.

We've established these con artists hid temperature data, evaded Freedom of Information requests, falsified data and a host of other fraudulent activity to hide the fact the earth is "cooling", not warming.

We've established that CO2...in parts per million...would go down a few points if Algore's mouth were taped shut and a few more points if Algore actually lived the lifestyle he preaches for everyone else.

We've established it was warmer 1000 years ago than now and there wasn't a single car, truck, jet, carbon belching factory or utility on earth.

We've established that rising CO2 levels do not cause temperatures to rise.

We've established that rising temperatures cause CO2 levels to rise...about 800 years later.

We've established that CO2 is an essential atmospheric gas without which there would be no life on earth.

And, we've established you couldn't debate your way out a wet paper bag.

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posted November 20, 2010 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww...the sore loser tries to keep some kind of debate alive by providing yet another diversion from the fact that science isn't on his side.

It doesn't really take being a stellar debater to beat you. It just takes a small amount of common sense. What we know is that the experts in the field have established the validity of global warming. You have not provided an IOTA of scientific evidence to refute them.

So, here you are, the loser, trying to keep the debate alive via using another tack. It's doesn't work. The record's already against you. You ironically call real scientists "third-rate" whilst only having referenced actual third-rate scientists like Fred Singer yourself. When was the last time Fred Singer published a peer-reviewed paper on the climate? Yeah, you're being ridiculous.

Go ahead, keep hope alive that the science finds its way into your corner, and in the meantime try to make it about politics.

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