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pire
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posted December 02, 2010 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Accoustic God probably talks for many people who couldn't be bothered to try to convince you jwhop.

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posted December 02, 2010 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't be an ass acoustic...you either pire.

This thread and at least 3 others on the subject of man made global warming are covered up in links to papers and articles I've posted....on the points and on the subject.

Man made global warming is a thoroughly dead issue. It just takes a while for the word to trickle down to those backward 10% or so who are always late getting the word.

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posted December 02, 2010 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's patently false, Jwhop. No doubt you have provided links here and there, but you've never once disproved global warming. The data has simply never been on your side. I've demonstrated quite easily in the past few days how quickly your arguments are refuted.

And now 2010 may be the warmest on record.

World May Post Hottest Year on Record in 2010
By Alex Morales - Dec 2, 2010 10:20 AM PT

Global average temperatures may be the warmest on record this year, the World Meteorological Organization said, days after announcing that greenhouse-gas concentrations are the highest since measurements began.

The worldwide average temperature in 2010 through part of November was 0.55 degree Celsius hotter than the long-term average of 14 degrees (57 degrees Fahrenheit), the WMO Secretary General Michel Jarraud said.

“The long-term trend is a trend of very significant warming,” Jarraud said today in Cancun, Mexico, where envoys from 194 nations are working on a treaty curb climate change. “We are very concerned. You cannot dispute the warming.”

The findings put pressure at UN delegates to agree on a pact on limiting emissions from burning fossil fuels, which is blamed for damaging the atmosphere. Those discussions dissolved last year without a legally binding treaty to replace the limits under the Kyoto Protocol that expires in 2012.

“We need to do more to prevent dangerous climate change from happening,” Peter Wittoeck, a Belgian envoy who leads the European Union delegation, said at a press conference today. “The European Union alone taking action would not solve the problem.”

Emissions Limits

Reducing output of heat-trapping gases is the key goal of the UN talks in Cancun. The concentration of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide, the main man-made greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, rose to a record last year, the WMO said on Nov. 24.

“Melting glaciers are going to impact all of us,” said Patricia Cochran, executive director of the Alaska Native Science Commission. “Our people are not rich people.”

The U.S., EU, China and other nations that signed an informal accord in Copenhagen last year agreed to try to keep temperature gains to 2 degrees Celsius. Christiana Figueres, the UN diplomat, leading the talks this year, said the current emissions pledges aren’t enough to meet that goal. Today’s figures give scientific backing to her concerns.

“If greenhouse gases continue to increase, then global average temperatures could rise by 4 degrees Celsius, compared to pre-industrial temperatures, by the end of the century or even as early as 2060,” Vicky Pope, head of climate science at Britain’s Met Office, said in an e-mailed interview.

The atmospheric gases, stemming mainly from burning fossil fuels, changes in land use and deforestation, continued a rising trend that began with industrialization in the 18th century.

Cooler in 2011

Next year is likely to be cooler because of a “very strong” La Nina effect, the Met Office said today in an e- mailed statement. That refers to a periodic pattern of cooler surface waters in the Pacific Ocean. The latest began in the second half of 2010. The British agency said 2011 is likely to be about 0.44 degrees Celsius hotter than the 1961 through 1990 average, placing it among the 10 warmest years on record.

That compares with the 0.52-degree temperature “anomaly” registered in 1998, the hottest year in the series compiled by the Met Office since 1850. The Met Office provides one of the three datasets used by the UN to guide climate talks.

The two other data sets are compiled by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The NOAA and NASA series both registered anomalies through October that, if continued through November and December, would also show records for this year. Both hit record years in 2005. The three series each are calculated in a slightly different way.

Reading the Trend

While a single year of data “doesn’t give a scientific basis to arrive at any kind of inference,” there’s a stronger trend to be drawn from a longer series of readings, Rajendra Pachauri, the UN’s chief climate scientist, said in an interview in Cancun. Before this year, 11 of the previous 12 years featured in the 12 hottest years in recorded history, he said.

“It’s important for negotiators to follow the science and use the negotiations on climate change to respond to the science,” Pachauri said.

The average temperature rose at about 0.16 degree per decade in the 1980s and 1990s. The rate through the 2000s has been from 0.05 to 0.13 degree, according to Pope.

“There is a strong signal of warming when we look at the decade-on-decade changes in temperature,” Pope said.

Nine climate indicators -- including temperatures in the lower atmosphere, humidity, rising sea levels, declining sea ice and shrinking glaciers, all point toward a warming climate, according to a report last week from the Met Office.

‘‘Industrialized countries cannot cheat the atmosphere,’’ said Martin Kaiser, Greenpeace's political coordinator. ‘‘Science must drive this negotiating process, which means bringing the oil and coal industries under control.’’

To contact the reporter on this story: Alex Morales in Cancun at amorales2@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Reed Landberg at landberg@bloomberg.net. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-02/hottest-year-on-record-shaping-up-as-greenhouse-gas-levels-rise-un-says.html

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posted December 03, 2010 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where's your list of nutty scientific crackpots who say man made global warming is the real deal acoustic?

I keep asking you for your list and you keep ducking, bobbing and weaving...everything but posting your list of nutty crackpot so called scientists.

Here's the list of 31,000 American scientists, over 9000 of whom are PhDs...who say your religiosity on the subject of man made global warming is a crock of crap and the so called authorities you cite are con artists, fraudsters, bunko artists and a motley collection of know nothings who have their heads up their as$es when it comes to science and scientific methodology.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm

"That's patently false, Jwhop. No doubt you have provided links here and there"...acoustic

My friends would describe you as a lying twit without the intellectual horsepower to find your own rectum and a butt boy for every wacko leftist cause who like most leftists live in an upside down universe where facts and the truth don't matter.

Not me though. I'm too much of a nice guy and, I don't want you to go away. I enjoy rubbing your nose in your own vomit in the few minutes a day it takes to find the linchpin facts which totally destroys your fact-less arguments.

Like this. I posted each of these articles in the first 3 pages of this thread. The other threads on the same subject are heavily posted with other points and authorities of articles by real climate scientists or articles with quotes by real climate scientists each of which kicks the props out from under the arguments of the religionists of the crackpot theory of man made global warming.
http://samanoontheissues.blogspot.com/2008/01/nasa-1934-hottest-year-on-record.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_end_of_the_ipcc.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61C1V420100213


http://thenationalscene.com/ipcc-shambles-admits-flawed-global-warming-reports/


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/al-gore-global-warming/2008/05/19/id/323712

http://www.dailymail.co.uk /news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/02/17/the-disappearing-science-of-gl/

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/science/earth/19climate.html?_r=1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall[/ URL]

[URL=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/7332803/A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/7332803/A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/04/the_case_against_agw_plutos_at.html

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/26/climate-scientist-heated -satire-threatens-lawsuit/?test=latestnews

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/the_climategate_investigation.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/the_problems_with_al_gore.html

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm


That's 18 source articles in only 3 pages of this thread.

There's the stench of moral and intellectual corruption on those who state that which is manifestly untrue as though it's fact.


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posted December 03, 2010 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your list has been addressed numerous times, Jwhop. Forgive me for not wanting to go over ground we've already covered extensively on multiple occasions. Like I said, these aren't people in climatology. You're not citing any actual scientists that work in the field. Also, just to refresh your memory, that petition sent out false information to obtain those signatures. It doesn't get much more bogus than that. Anyone googling about it would find the same. It's as moot as it ever was.

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My friends would describe you as a lying twit without the intellectual horsepower to find your own rectum and a butt boy for every wacko leftist cause who like most leftists live in an upside down universe where facts and the truth don't matter.

Only if your friends were as clearly as deluded as you. If there was any reasonable bone in their body, they'd find the sense we have in common.

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Not me though. I'm too much of a nice guy and, I don't want you to go away. I enjoy rubbing your nose in your own vomit in the few minutes a day it takes to find the linchpin facts which totally destroys your fact-less arguments.

You don't rub my nose in anything, Jwhop. You'd have to actually win a debate for something like that to happen. You're so subjective that winning is a tall order for you.

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http://samanoontheissues.blogspot.com/2008/01/nasa-1934-hottest-year-on-record.html

Yes. I addressed that within the last day or two. 1934 was the hottest year on record for the United States only.

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_end_of_the_ipcc.html

American Thinker is in actual terms what you believe the mainstream media is: politically biased. It's not even worth paying attention to their spin.

Fred Singer, the author of that article, we've already discussed, is not a climate scientist. He is not publishing scientific papers in ANY scientific journals. His work is not peer-reviewed or endorsed. Also, he's in the pocket of big oil, and was formerly the "scientist" backing Phillip-Morris' smoking-isn't-unhealthy campaign. Someone attempting to pass themselves off as a scientist couldn't have a more reprehensible record.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61C1V420100213 http://thenationalscene.com/ipcc-shambles-admits-flawed-global-warming-reports/


The IPCC admitting flaws doesn't invalidate the sum of their work.

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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/al-gore-global-warming/2008/05/19/id/323712

A study in 2004 looked at the abstracts of nearly 1000 scientific papers containing the term "global climate change" published in the previous decade. Not one rejected the consensus position. One critic promptly claimed this study was wrong - but later quietly withdrew the claim. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11654-climate-myths-many-l eading-scientists-question-climate-change.html

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk /news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

We've covered this one with Phil Jones' own rebuttal.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece

This one's regarding the weather stations used. I thought we covered this already as well. Have we not?

Warming is unequivocal. Weather stations, ocean measurements, decreases in snow cover, reductions in Arctic sea ice, longer growing seasons, balloon measurements, boreholes and satellites all show results consistent with the surface record of warming. The urban heat island effect is real but small; and it has been studied and corrected for. Analyses by Nasa for example use only rural stations to calculate trends. Recently, work has shown that if you analyse long-term global temperature rise for windy days and calm days separately, there is no difference. If the urban heat island effect were large, you would expect to see a bigger trend for calm days when more of the heat stays in the city. Furthermore, the pattern of warming globally doesn't resemble the pattern of urbanisation, with the greatest warming seen in the Arctic and northern high latitudes. Globally, there is a warming trend of about 0.8C since 1900, more than half of which has occurred since 1979. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm

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posted December 03, 2010 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have the time at the moment for a quick rebuttal of the rest, but you get the idea. Clearly, you haven't proven a thing about the state of the climate. Your position is as untenable as it's ever been.

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posted December 03, 2010 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for firecracker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what the hell is going on in here? nevermind, must be global warming.

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posted December 03, 2010 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's next; reading chicken entrails to prove man made global warming is real?

Gee, I'll bet these people sponging off taxpayer money to fund their lavish trips around the world never thought about all that carbon dioxide they were spewing into the air from all those jet engines...which carried them there. More do as I say, not as I do from fraudsters, hoaxers, liars and Loony-Tunes morons of the "man made global warming set".

Posted at 12:11 PM ET, 11/29/2010
Cancun talks start with a call to the gods
By Juliet Eilperin


With United Nations climate negotiators facing an uphill battle to advance their goal of reducing emissions linked to global warming, it's no surprise that the woman steering the talks appealed to a Mayan goddess Monday.

Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, invoked the ancient jaguar goddess Ixchel in her opening statement to delegates gathered in Cancun, Mexico, noting that Ixchel was not only goddess of the moon, but also "the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving. May she inspire you -- because today, you are gathered in Cancun to weave together the elements of a solid response to climate change, using both reason and creativity as your tools."

She called for "a balanced outcome" which would marry financial and emissions commitments from industrialized countries aimed at combating climate change with "the understanding of fairness that will guide long-term mitigation efforts."


U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres places a building block in a miniature Mayan pyramid at the site of climate negotiations in Cancun, Mexico, Sunday, Nov. 28, 2010. The "Pyramid of Hope" monument was erected by the TckTckTck climate awareness campaign to symbolize the many building blocks needed for a new climate agreement. (AP Photo/Karl Ritter)

"Excellencies, the goddess Ixchel would probably tell you that a tapestry is the result of the skilful interlacing of many threads," said Figueres, who hails from Costa Rica and started her greetings in Spanish before switching to English. "I am convinced that 20 years from now, we will admire the policy tapestry that you have woven together and think back fondly to Cancun and the inspiration of Ixchel."

Delegates from 193 countries are gathered in Cancun for the two-week meeting, which kicked off today at 10:20 a.m. local time, or 11:20 a.m. Eastern. Mexican President Felipe Calderon, a major proponent of action on climate change, attended the opening.

Two weeks from now, we'll have a sense of whether Ixchel -- and the delegates -- were listening to Figueres's appeal.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2010/11/cancun_talks_start_with_a_call.html

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posted December 04, 2010 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm watching the global warming episode of Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory. Great stuff!

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How odd you would think I have to prove man made global warming isn't real acoustic.

Let's recap shall we?

I'm not the one attempting to take western civilization back to the 19th century; the morons you idolize are.

I'm not the one attempting to spend 11 TRILLION dollars on a hoax and scam; the morons your idolize are.

I'm not the one attempting to tax ever erg of carbon based energy; the morons you idolize are.

I'm not the one caught red handed attempting to pervert and subvert science for their ideological cause; the morons you idolize are.

I don't have to prove a damned thing acoustic. The morons attempting to fundamentally change western civilization have everything to prove...AND, so far acoustic, the morons you idolize have struck out every trip to the plate.

Btw acoustic, the morons you idolize remind me of the "cast of 10,000".

One of cast tells a damned lie and the cast of 10,000 swears it's true. Tilt!

Turn out the lights, the party is over!

Randall, are you watching Ventura on video on line or on television?


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posted December 04, 2010 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Turn out the lights the Party's over!

PRUDEN: Turn out the lights, the party's over
By Wesley Pruden
The Washington Times
4:58 p.m., Thursday, December 2, 2010

Scams die hard, but eventually they die, and when they do, nobody wants to get close to the corpse. You can get all the hotel rooms you want this week in Cancun.

The global-warming caravan has moved on, bound for a destination in oblivion. The United Nations is hanging the usual lamb chop in the window this week in Mexico for the U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, but the Washington guests are staying home. Nobody wants to get the smell of the corpse on their clothes.

Everybody who imagined himself anybody raced to Copenhagen last year for the global-warming summit, renamed "climate change" when the globe began to cool, as it does from time to time. Some 45,000 delegates, "activists," business representatives and the usual retinue of journalists registered for the party in Copenhagen. This year, only 1,234 journalists registered for the Cancun beach party. The only story there is that there's no story there. The U.N. organizers glumly concede that Cancun won't amount to anything, even by U.N. standards.

Rep. Henry A. Waxman of California, who wrote and sponsored the cap-and-trade legislation last year, says he'll be too busy with congressional business (buying stamps for the Christmas cards and getting a haircut and a shoeshine) even to think about going to Cancun. Last year, he joined Speaker Nancy Pelosi and dozens of other congressmen in taking staffers and spouses to the party in Copenhagen. The junket cost taxpayers $400,000, but Copenhagen is a friendly town and a good time was had by all. This year, they're all staying home, learning to live like lame ducks.

The Senate's California ladies, cheerleaders for the global-warming scam only yesterday, can't get far enough away from Cancun this year. Dianne Feinstein says she's not even thinking about the weather. "I haven't really thought about [Cancun], to be honest with you," she tells Politico, the Capitol Hill daily. She still loves the scam, but "no - no, no, no, it's just that I'm not on a committee related to it." She's grateful for small blessings.

Barbara Boxer, who was proud to make global warming her "signature" issue only last year, obviously regards that signature now to be a forgery. She would like to be in Cancun, but she has to stay home to wash her hair. She's not even sending anyone from her staff, willing as congressional staffers always are to party on the taxpayer dime. "I'm sending a statement to Cancun." (Stop the press for that.)

This is another lesson that Washington's swamp fevers inevitably subside. Who now remembers Smoot-Hawley, Quemoy and Matsu, and the Teapot Dome? But these were once issues on which the survival of the known world rested. The only global-warming news of this week was the announcement that the House Select Committee on Global Warming would die with the 111th Congress. Mrs. Pelosi established the committee three years ago to beat the eardrums of one and all, a platform for endless argle-bargle about the causes and effects of climate change. The result was the proposed job-killing national energy tax, but with the Republican sweep, there's no longer an appetite for killing jobs.

Rep. Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, the chairman of the doomed committee, organized one final event this week, a splashy daylong exercise in gasbaggery starring the usual suspects assigned to drone on for most of the day about the coming global-warming disasters, the melting of the North Pole and the rising of the seas that would make Denver, Omaha and Kansas City seaside resorts. Wesley Clark was the only former presidential candidate to accept an invitation, and he was a no-show. The star witness of the afternoon session was Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an "environmental attorney" who talked about how "clean energy" is nicer than the other kind. Mr. Markey himself, as bored as everyone else, didn't bother to return after lunch.

The members of the committee can now retire with their scrapbooks of clippings to recall the happy days of hearings about global warming (some of them before "global warming" became "climate change" and "liberals" became "progressives"), about how clean energy could replace smelly oil wells and provide Democrats with the means to enact sweeping climate-change legislation. Who could have foreseen that the only "sweeping" would be the sweeping out of so many Democrats?

When the thrill is gone, the thrill is gone, as star-crossed lovers have learned through the ages, and when a scam collapses, it stays collapsed. The thought is enough to warm hearts all across the globe.

Wesley Pruden is editor emeritus of The Washington Times.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/pruden-turn-out-the-lights-the-party-s-over/?page=2

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December 08, 2010
Cancun's Climate Crock
By Brian Sussman
It began with a prayer to the Mayan moon goddess, and it has quickly devolved into a junk science circus.

Delegates to the United Nation's Framework Convention on Climate Change in Cancun, Mexico were greeted by the Convention's Executive Secretary, Christiana Figueres, who prayed to the goddess Ixchel.

Calling Ixchel "the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving," Figueres prayed, "May she inspire you -- because today, you are gathered in Cancun to weave together the elements of a solid response to climate change, using both reason and creativity as your tools."

Figueres continued, "Excellencies, the goddess Ixchel would probably tell you that a tapestry is the result of the skilful [sic] interlacing of many threads. I am convinced that twenty years from now, we will admire the policy tapestry that you have woven together and think back fondly to Cancun and the inspiration of Ixchel."

By the way, Ixchel is a goddess of fertility who is often depicted wearing a headdress entwined with a serpent. Claws substitute her hands and feet. Creepy.

The opening prayer to a pagan god set the tone to this year's climate confab, as representatives from 193 countries have been seen soaking up the 80-degree Mexican weather by day and sucking up the adult beverages bearing tiny umbrellas at night. The U.K.'s energy and environment secretary, Chris Huhne, was especially excited to finally arrive -- he had been delayed in London because of the some of the worst English winter weather in decades.

And then there has been the hot air emanating from the mouths of bloviating environmentalists and policymakers who are trying to maintain their relevance, after a year in which their claims of human-caused global warming have fallen flat.

Even the usually in-the-tank-on-global-warming New York Times observed:

The apathy is palpable, and a far cry from the atmosphere last year when President Obama and the leaders of more than 100 other nations descended in droves upon the chilly Danish capital of Copenhagen to hawk their views at the climate circus. That conference saw U.S. congressional champions of cap-and-trade legislation as well as skeptics jostling to share their views on the prospects for American domestic action and a new international treaty.

My, what a difference a year makes. Certainly those damning e-mails leaked from a computer server belonging to the once-esteemed Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in the U.K. didn't help matters. Those communiqués revealed well-known climate researchers speaking in baseless terms about their critics, discussing clever ways to sidestep skeptical colleagues of man-made climate change, devising plans to freeze opponents out of peer-reviewed journals, and systematically manipulating the earth's temperature record. The e-mails became known as "Climategate" and led to the title of my hard-hitting book.

Like with carnies hawking tickets to a sideshow, the predictions made at this year's U.N. climate conference were more outrageous than ever. They included:

•Temperatures climbing 6.4o Celsius (11.4o Fahrenheit) after 2050.
•Sea levels rising two meters by the end of the century.
•The islands nations of Maldives and Tuvalu soon to be inundated by rising waters.
•Developed countries must immediately implement energy rationing systems to mandate the reduction of carbon dioxide emissions, thus reducing the imminent threats imposed by global warming.
•By continuing on our current emissions path, climate change will double grain prices by 2050 and leave millions of children malnourished.

The assertions are a crock. For example, since 1850 -- the beginning of the Industrial Revolution -- the earth's average surface temperature has risen only 0.7 degrees Celsius (just a bit more than one degree Fahrenheit). Point-seven degrees Celsius in 160 years -- that's all the warming planet earth has experienced, and this minuscule temperature increase coincided with the proliferation of the train, car, truck, and even the lawnmower and leaf blower. Oh, and here's a pill that's tough for the global whiners to swallow: the bulk of this warming occurred before 1940.

The U.N.'s new predicted 6.4-degree-Celsius rise in temperature surpasses any of their previous predictions. It's likely that the prognosis is the product of a political activist with a Ph.D. who got a turn to play genius with a government computer model.

As for the sea level rise, Al Gore's been showing maps of a similar predicted deluge for several years. If Gore was so confident of the increase, why did he purchase a multimillion-dollar bayside condo in San Francisco? According to the maps, his pad will be swamped. Truth is, the oceans have been steadily rising since the last Ice Age. Take your index finger and place it as close as you can to your thumb, without the two touching. That's how much the oceans rise each year. Over the next ninety years, the rise will be no more than several inches, not over six feet.

And the submersion of Tuvalu and Maldives? Their surrounding waters show no measurable signs of rising. The problem is the islands of Maldives are relatively flat coral atolls. Since tourism was first introduced to the nation in 1972, ninety plush resorts have been built, with locally mined coral being the primary aggregate for construction. Digging up coral on small islands to build large hotels and conference centers is as stupid as sucking the air out of a lifeboat to breathe. The mining has severely compromised the atolls, creating the impression that the islands are sinking.

Likewise, Tuvalu's problem is not climate change. Tuvalu's mess is that the country was never meant for modern habitation. There is no fresh water available -- only what can be cached from rain. Much of the population on the main island uses a lagoon for its bathing and toilet facilities. The tiny nation ships its garbage to landfills in Fiji and New Zealand. Tuvalu is a tropical island mess being run by slick politicians using global warming for a shakedown operation. In a 2007 speech at the United Nations, the Deputy Prime Minister of Tuvalu, Tavau Teii, said that major greenhouse polluters should compensate Tuvalu for the impacts of climate change. "We are seeking new funding arrangements to protect us from the impacts of climate change ... we believe that the major greenhouse polluters should pay for the impacts they are causing."

Then there's the conference's claim that the solution to climate change is rationing. This is the most troubling assertion of all, as we have an administration running the White House who believes such a plan is worthy. Note President Obama's director of science and technology policy, John Holdren, who has written, "A massive campaign must be launched in North America to restore a high-quality environment and to de-develop the United States ... This effort must be largely political."

Then there is Hillary Clinton, who, during her Senate confirmation hearings for Secretary of State, said, " ... climate change is an unambiguous security threat. At the extreme, it threatens our very existence."

In addition, one year ago, Lisa Jackson, the Director of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), issued a statement declaring that "the current and projected concentrations of [carbon dioxide] ... threaten the public health and welfare of current and future generations." The EPA's solution is using less fossil fuel.

Indeed, the 2009 House Energy bill (passed by the House, but never by the Senate) calls for an 80-percent reduction in CO2 by 2050.(***Note: Impossible***) By then, the United States will have -- according to Census figures -- 100 million more residents. Achieving an 80-percent decrease in carbon dioxide emissions by 2050 will spell the end of the coal industry (which supplies energy to 50 percent of our homes), the offshoring of our entire manufacturing sector, and the death of the gasoline-powered automobile. If the Senate had passed similar legislation, Obama would have signed it into law in a heartbeat, and we'd be on our way to...rationing!

And the prediction of food shortages and price increases? Actually, if the temperatures were to warm a couple degrees, the amount of available land for farming would increase dramatically. For example, in Canada, Russia, and China, agriculture would benefit from longer growing seasons. Other benefits would be the expansion of forests and a decrease in heating fuel costs. Food costs will rise if a cap-and-trade scheme becomes law; the increased cost of diesel fuel alone would force transportation costs to rise dramatically in the agricultural sector.

The flaming-hot rhetoric down in Cancun is making this conference more of a howler than ever. And there are still several days of fun in the sun to go!

The global whiners can continue to make all the wild pronouncements they wish, but the fact is that they're losing the debate.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/cancuns_climate_crock.html

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December 08, 2010
Cancun's Climate Crock
By Brian Sussman
It began with a prayer to the Mayan moon goddess, and it has quickly devolved into a junk science circus.

Delegates to the United Nation's Framework Convention on Climate Change in Cancun, Mexico were greeted by the Convention's Executive Secretary, Christiana Figueres, who prayed to the goddess Ixchel.

Calling Ixchel "the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving," Figueres prayed, "May she inspire you -- because today, you are gathered in Cancun to weave together the elements of a solid response to climate change, using both reason and creativity as your tools."

Figueres continued, "Excellencies, the goddess Ixchel would probably tell you that a tapestry is the result of the skilful [sic] interlacing of many threads. I am convinced that twenty years from now, we will admire the policy tapestry that you have woven together and think back fondly to Cancun and the inspiration of Ixchel."

By the way, Ixchel is a goddess of fertility who is often depicted wearing a headdress entwined with a serpent. Claws substitute her hands and feet. Creepy.

The opening prayer to a pagan god set the tone to this year's climate confab, as representatives from 193 countries have been seen soaking up the 80-degree Mexican weather by day and sucking up the adult beverages bearing tiny umbrellas at night. The U.K.'s energy and environment secretary, Chris Huhne, was especially excited to finally arrive -- he had been delayed in London because of the some of the worst English winter weather in decades.

And then there has been the hot air emanating from the mouths of bloviating environmentalists and policymakers who are trying to maintain their relevance, after a year in which their claims of human-caused global warming have fallen flat.

Even the usually in-the-tank-on-global-warming New York Times observed:

The apathy is palpable, and a far cry from the atmosphere last year when President Obama and the leaders of more than 100 other nations descended in droves upon the chilly Danish capital of Copenhagen to hawk their views at the climate circus. That conference saw U.S. congressional champions of cap-and-trade legislation as well as skeptics jostling to share their views on the prospects for American domestic action and a new international treaty.

My, what a difference a year makes. Certainly those damning e-mails leaked from a computer server belonging to the once-esteemed Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in the U.K. didn't help matters. Those communiqués revealed well-known climate researchers speaking in baseless terms about their critics, discussing clever ways to sidestep skeptical colleagues of man-made climate change, devising plans to freeze opponents out of peer-reviewed journals, and systematically manipulating the earth's temperature record. The e-mails became known as "Climategate" and led to the title of my hard-hitting book.

Like with carnies hawking tickets to a sideshow, the predictions made at this year's U.N. climate conference were more outrageous than ever. They included:

•Temperatures climbing 6.4o Celsius (11.4o Fahrenheit) after 2050.
•Sea levels rising two meters by the end of the century.
•The islands nations of Maldives and Tuvalu soon to be inundated by rising waters.
•Developed countries must immediately implement energy rationing systems to mandate the reduction of carbon dioxide emissions, thus reducing the imminent threats imposed by global warming.
•By continuing on our current emissions path, climate change will double grain prices by 2050 and leave millions of children malnourished.

The assertions are a crock. For example, since 1850 -- the beginning of the Industrial Revolution -- the earth's average surface temperature has risen only 0.7 degrees Celsius (just a bit more than one degree Fahrenheit). Point-seven degrees Celsius in 160 years -- that's all the warming planet earth has experienced, and this minuscule temperature increase coincided with the proliferation of the train, car, truck, and even the lawnmower and leaf blower. Oh, and here's a pill that's tough for the global whiners to swallow: the bulk of this warming occurred before 1940.

The U.N.'s new predicted 6.4-degree-Celsius rise in temperature surpasses any of their previous predictions. It's likely that the prognosis is the product of a political activist with a Ph.D. who got a turn to play genius with a government computer model.

As for the sea level rise, Al Gore's been showing maps of a similar predicted deluge for several years. If Gore was so confident of the increase, why did he purchase a multimillion-dollar bayside condo in San Francisco? According to the maps, his pad will be swamped. Truth is, the oceans have been steadily rising since the last Ice Age. Take your index finger and place it as close as you can to your thumb, without the two touching. That's how much the oceans rise each year. Over the next ninety years, the rise will be no more than several inches, not over six feet.

And the submersion of Tuvalu and Maldives? Their surrounding waters show no measurable signs of rising. The problem is the islands of Maldives are relatively flat coral atolls. Since tourism was first introduced to the nation in 1972, ninety plush resorts have been built, with locally mined coral being the primary aggregate for construction. Digging up coral on small islands to build large hotels and conference centers is as stupid as sucking the air out of a lifeboat to breathe. The mining has severely compromised the atolls, creating the impression that the islands are sinking.

Likewise, Tuvalu's problem is not climate change. Tuvalu's mess is that the country was never meant for modern habitation. There is no fresh water available -- only what can be cached from rain. Much of the population on the main island uses a lagoon for its bathing and toilet facilities. The tiny nation ships its garbage to landfills in Fiji and New Zealand. Tuvalu is a tropical island mess being run by slick politicians using global warming for a shakedown operation. In a 2007 speech at the United Nations, the Deputy Prime Minister of Tuvalu, Tavau Teii, said that major greenhouse polluters should compensate Tuvalu for the impacts of climate change. "We are seeking new funding arrangements to protect us from the impacts of climate change ... we believe that the major greenhouse polluters should pay for the impacts they are causing."

Then there's the conference's claim that the solution to climate change is rationing. This is the most troubling assertion of all, as we have an administration running the White House who believes such a plan is worthy. Note President Obama's director of science and technology policy, John Holdren, who has written, "A massive campaign must be launched in North America to restore a high-quality environment and to de-develop the United States ... This effort must be largely political."

Then there is Hillary Clinton, who, during her Senate confirmation hearings for Secretary of State, said, " ... climate change is an unambiguous security threat. At the extreme, it threatens our very existence."

In addition, one year ago, Lisa Jackson, the Director of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), issued a statement declaring that "the current and projected concentrations of [carbon dioxide] ... threaten the public health and welfare of current and future generations." The EPA's solution is using less fossil fuel.

Indeed, the 2009 House Energy bill (passed by the House, but never by the Senate) calls for an 80-percent reduction in CO2 by 2050.(***Note: Impossible***) By then, the United States will have -- according to Census figures -- 100 million more residents. Achieving an 80-percent decrease in carbon dioxide emissions by 2050 will spell the end of the coal industry (which supplies energy to 50 percent of our homes), the offshoring of our entire manufacturing sector, and the death of the gasoline-powered automobile. If the Senate had passed similar legislation, Obama would have signed it into law in a heartbeat, and we'd be on our way to...rationing!

And the prediction of food shortages and price increases? Actually, if the temperatures were to warm a couple degrees, the amount of available land for farming would increase dramatically. For example, in Canada, Russia, and China, agriculture would benefit from longer growing seasons. Other benefits would be the expansion of forests and a decrease in heating fuel costs. Food costs will rise if a cap-and-trade scheme becomes law; the increased cost of diesel fuel alone would force transportation costs to rise dramatically in the agricultural sector.

The flaming-hot rhetoric down in Cancun is making this conference more of a howler than ever. And there are still several days of fun in the sun to go!

The global whiners can continue to make all the wild pronouncements they wish, but the fact is that they're losing the debate.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/cancuns_climate_crock.html

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posted December 08, 2010 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How odd you would think I have to prove man made global warming isn't real acoustic.

Not odd in the slightest. When a study finds 1,000 peer-reviewed papers lacking skepticism regarding the basic premise of man-helped global warming it seems pretty clear the concensus is in, and it's not in your corner.

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I'm not the one attempting to take western civilization back to the 19th century; the morons you idolize are.

No one's trying to take us backwards. That's a stupid thing to say.

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I don't have to prove a damned thing acoustic.

I understand that you don't want to attempt a verifiably scientific proving. That doesn't diminish the need for one if you hope to convince people of the validity of your position.

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The morons attempting to fundamentally change western civilization have everything to prove...AND, so far acoustic, the morons you idolize have struck out every trip to the plate.

No, they haven't. You haven't been here disproving the science. You've been here trying to disparage the scientists by suggesting events are different than they actually are. You're trying to create an alternate reality that doesn't exist.

When you do try to shift to science, the science always thwarts you.

By Cassandra Sweet
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
CANCUN, Mexico (Dow Jones)--Glaciers around the world are melting amid warmer global temperatures, especially near the North and South Poles, and particularly Alaska, Argentina and Chile, according to a study released Tuesday by the United Nations Environment Program.

The report, compiled from an array of scientific studies, found that glaciers in the northwest U.S. and southwest Canada and in the high mountains of Asia, including the Hindu Kush of the Himalayas, also have been melting.

"Accumulation of science shows us a clear general trend of melting glaciers linked to a warming climate and perhaps other impacts, such as the deposit of soot, reducing the reflection of heat back into space", UNEP Executive Director Achim Steiner said.

The report was released as 194 nations meet for a second week of climate negotiations in Cancun. While expectations have been muted, some government envoys have said they're hopeful that some smaller agreements can be reached on issues such as financing for developing countries to mitigate the impacts of climate change, such as flooding and coastal erosion, and transparency for emissions-reduction actions that many nations have pledged or are pursuing.

While it could take centuries for many glaciers to completely disappear, smaller glaciers at lower elevations are melting faster, including glaciers that provide water for nearby communities, the UNEP study found.

Glacial melting can also lead to flooding when glacial lakes overfill with melted snow and ice and break through earthen barriers. Such floods have been on the rise over the last 40 years, including five incidents in Chile's Patagonia region in the last two years and incidents in the Karakoram region in China, according to the report.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101207-711747.html

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posted December 08, 2010 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*GASP* DOn't take things out on IxCiel!!!!

She's a fine Lady!

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Plus she wears Dragonflies in her ears...can't be all bad...

Ix Chel is the ancient Mayan moon goddess who reigned supreme throught the Yucatan Peninsula, in southern Mexico, and as far south as El Salvador for more than a millennium. She is also called the Queen, Our Mother, the White Lady, and the Goddess of Becoming. Although married to the sun, she is fiercely independent, allowing no one to own her: she remains free to come and go as she chooses. As a fertility goddess, she makes women fruitful and sends fertilizing rains to the earth. She is particularly honored as a patroness of childbirth and a healing goddess of medicine.

Like many moon goddesses, she is the patroness of weaving. Ix Chel, like the waxing and waning moon, is comfortable with all sides of life. Her energy is midwife to our own creative ideas.

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IT'S Global warming again!!

WEDNESDAY

HOW COLD IS IT?

Gavin Partridge has supplied the details:


The central England Temperature (CET) from the 1st-7th of December is -1.9, making this the coldest opening week of December since 1879; 1879 is the coldest opening week on CET record, so this week has been the second coldest opening week to December since CET records began in 1659.

The two-week period, last week of November and first week of December is the coldest since CET records began in 1659.
http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather

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IT'S Global Warming again!

TWC Severe Weather Expert, Dr. Greg Forbes (Find him on Facebook) says the threat of severe thunderstorms in the Southeast remains low, namely because warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico may not be able to return ahead of the storm.

We will continue to update and refine this forecast.

And ... you guessed it. Behind this weekend storm will be another blast of teeth-chattering cold air penetrating yet again into the Deep South and Florida.

So, again, we profusely apologize if we're "piling on." Look at the bright side: this may greatly increase the odds of a White Christmas!
http://preview.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/weekend-winter-storm-preview_2010-12-06

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IT'S Global Warming again!

Forecasters warn Christmas could be cancelled as cold weather grips UK

Christmas will have to be put on hold this year as the ‘once in a lifetime’ cold snap threatens to tighten its grip on ice-bound Britain, forecasters are warning.
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/849754-forecasters-warn-christmas-could-be-cancelled-as-cold-weather-grips-uk

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posted December 08, 2010 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey AD, I'm not bowing down to any woman with a snake headdress. Not dating her either.

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posted December 09, 2010 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Fine...have it your way

I had to drink up all the martini's cause you didn't come back...

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Fine, I didn't come back because I had to kiss my pillow goodnight!

So, this is a good example of the intellectual vacuum existing in those supposedly getting together at a luxury location to draft rules for energy use for the rest of the world.

To say these nitwits couldn't find their own a$ses with both hands would be an understatement.

UN Climate Change Delegates Support Prank Petition to Ban Water & Derail U.S. EconomyPosted on December 9, 2010 at 7:24pm by Meredith Jessup

I’ve got to hand it to the folks at the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. They‘ve come up with a creative new way to expose the scientific ignorance of many of today’s climate change fanatics.

In a Penn & Teller-style prank, CFACT asked attendees of the United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Cancun, Mexico, to sign two different petitions. The first asked participants to support the purposeful destabilization of the United States economy:

The first project, entitled “Petition to Set a Global Standard” sought to isolate and punish the United States of America for defying the international community, by refusing to bite, hook, line and sinker on the bait that is the Kyoto Protocol. The petition went so far as to encourage the United Nations to impose tariffs and trade restrictions on the U.S. in a scheme to destabilize the nation’s economy. Specifically, the scheme seeks to lower the U.S. GDP by 6% over a ten year period, unless the U.S. signs a U.N. treaty on global warming.

This would be an extremely radical move by the United Nations. Even so, radical left-wing environmentalists from around the world scrambled eagerly to sign.

And to prove that some people will sign anything that has the right buzz words — think “global effort,“ ”international community,“ and ”planetary” — COP 16 participants were asked to sign in support of a ban on a dangerous chemical compound: water.

The second project was as successful as the first. It was euphemistically entitled “Petition to Ban the Use of Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)” (translation water). It was designed to show that if official U.N. delegates could be duped by college students into banning water, that they could essentially fall for anything, including pseudo-scientific studies which claim to show that global warming is man-caused.

Despite the apparently not-so-obvious reference to H2O, almost every delegate that collegian students approached signed their petition to ban that all too dangerous substance, which contributes to the greenhouse effect, is the major substance in acid rain, and is fatal if inhaled.

The video experiment helps us draw one of two conclusions: a) these people are absolutely clueless, or b) they really do hate water. Either way, who really thinks these people should be considered “experts” when it comes to science?

Video
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/un-climate-change-delegates-support-prank-petition-to-ban-water-derail-u-s-economy/

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12-16 Inches Of Snow Predicted In Metro Saturday
December 10, 2010 6:33 PM


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posted December 10, 2010 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's fine, I can make more I can't expect you to keep up with a younger lady such as myself now can I?

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It's so cold I'm double posting!

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