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jwhop
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posted July 23, 2011 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know Randall.

We both have the numbers of the man made global warming con artists like Algore and the faux scientists of the global warming religion.

Still, there are some who would accept no level of proof whatsoever that man made global warming is a fraud and hoax. Some people just need a catastrophe fix to feel good about themselves. If it weren't global warming, it would be something else.

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posted July 23, 2011 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CO2 keeps the planet lush, green, and alive. It's almost like a scene from a science fiction movie where greedy interests have conned a large segment of the populace into thinking CO2 is a poison. Yes, Jwhop, Chicken Little Syndrome will always direct people to the next supposed apocolypse.

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posted July 23, 2011 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh dear. i was talking about US needing oxygen, not plants. and you can't keep madison avenue LUSH with anything, unless you want to go dig it up and plant some trees to absorb the CO2! pave enough of the earth and the CO2 has no plants to nourish!!

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posted July 23, 2011 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Chicken Little Syndrome"

I like that Randall...has real zinnnng!

Are you seriously worried about the earth becomming one gigantic shopping center katatonic?

If you're worried about oxygen depletion, you could pay Algore for a "carbon offset unit" and he'll say he planted a tree for you.

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posted July 23, 2011 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
plenty of trees where i live, and ocean too, which helps with the oxycontent! no, it will be a long time before we get all the trees, especially with all the GREENMINDED folk around, and there are plenty. whatever the project or intent, jwhop, someone will find a way to get rich on it...that doesn't mean you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, does it?

no i'm not worried about 100% asphalt surface - and i'm not suggesting breaking up what we have - but i think it is a little blase to say that the huge swathes of concretized surface we do have make NO difference. they influence large portions of the planet WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE, and so they influence the people's lives. i am not so HOT (jk!) on global warming as i am on having fresh air to breathe, fresh water to drink, and someplace to let go of the urban anxiety that comes with dirty air and water, breathing car and AC fumes and what-all else, eating crops that are not really food for the human body, etc etc etc!

i agree that legislation is a **** -poor way to deal with these things, but i also see that most people are still happy to strew their trash anyold where, run cars that belch burning oil, and generally consider the earth to be their garbage dump. i don't think we can continue down this road forever, and if it takes a period where legislation makes it necessary to be conscious, well, i can think of worse things to use it on. and i know plenty of english people who say it is noticeably, measurably warmer there these days than it was in 95 when i left. when i lived in new york state the hudson river was DANGEROUS to swim in because of years of toxic dumping. in the 70s REGULATION was passed to clean it up, and it is better now despite being the waterway for one of our biggest cities. there's just been a huge new sewage spill there, and the responsible parties will have to pay to clean it up. would they if there were not regs? doubtful.

there is of COURSE the chicken little syndrome. every may for 21 years i listened to brits basically shrieking about the sky falling because there would be a 2 week "heatwave"...which would end and june would drizzle away...but in those days the "heatwave" was generally in the 80s, whereas these days they have runs of temps around 100F, which is more than a fraction of a percent in anyone's math book. this has been ongoing for a few years now, i recall lara talking about getting a tan before her late april birthday this year, this used to be pretty much unheard of in Blighty. so i am not convinced that the warming trend is over. nor am i convinced that the "alarmists" are really scam artists. but what is the difference really between getting rich pushing climate problems and their solutions, and getting rich selling scandal and smut? i know the place i grew up in was a rural gem until the malls came in and not only paved the joint but drove out most of the local merchants, just as home depot has been doing, driving small businesses into the ground by underpricing them, not by regulation.

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posted July 23, 2011 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trees actually account for very little oxygen on the global scale. As long as the earth has oceans, oxygen will never be a problem. Of course, trees are very aesthetic. The CLS people were raging over the ozone, which was never a problem, because as long as we have a sun, we will have an ozone; the ozone protects us from the sun, and the sun creates the ozone. The Greenhouse Effect has safeguards, but basically it keeps the earth from turning into a lifeless block of ice. These global machinations existed before we did and go right on acting in the way they are supposed to despite anything we do or don't do.

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posted July 23, 2011 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so trees are god's way of making the place pretty for us? it's ALL connected, randall, pave the continents and the oceans would suffer, and vice versa. trees do a lot more than provid oxygen and pretty green stuff to look at. and shade. and food. and shelter...and compost for the earth...AND they absorb a great deal of CO2 which keeps the air quality decent as well as the production of oxygen.

they surely do make it pretty though. i much prefer even our presently overpaved lands to living in a bladerunner environment, don't you?

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posted July 23, 2011 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bladerunner sucked.

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posted July 24, 2011 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't dispute the benefit of trees to the environment, which is why two or more are planted for each one cut down. I'm simply dispelling the notion that trees produce most of our oxygen.

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posted July 27, 2011 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay, so THIS must be the debt debate thread then, RIGHT???

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posted July 27, 2011 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Global warming loons and goons
September 8th, 2010, 7:25 am
Mark Landsbaum

A quick roundup of the latest in global warming lunacy and thuggery, and its consequences:
Climate change is not responsible for civil wars in Africa, according to a new study that found droughts and heat waves played no role in triggering unrest.

We could have told them the same thing, had they asked. And we would have charged them probably less than half what they had to pay those researchers at the Peace Research Institute Oslo’s Centre for the Study of Civil War. Next time you’re thinking of paying big bucks for obvious answers, give us a call. We accept personal checks.

Mongolian government officials wore baseball caps reading “Save our planet” and set up chairs and tables in the Gobi desert to hold a Cabinet meeting to draw attention to global warming.

These 12 guys sat in scorching heat Friday about 415 miles (670 kilometers) south of Ulan-Bator, the country’s capital, wearing suits and ties, after traveling the desert in jeeps for 15 hours so they could dramatize how climate change had resulted in (ready for this?) the harshest winter in decades. You can’t make this stuff up.

OK, enough of the loons. Now the goons. A new school will open in Los Angeles named after Al Gore and Rachel Carson, the woman who single-handedly persuaded the world to ban perfectly harmless, utterly useful DDT.

Why goons, you ask? If Gore’s cap-and-trade is adopted, millions worldwide will be denied inexpensive carbon-based energy. No refrigeration. No air conditioning. Death from deprivation and exposure to the elements. By the way, do you think Al goes a day without air conditioning, food preserved with refrigeration or any of the other every-day amenities provided by inexpensive carbon-based fuel?

Even so, Gore will have a long way to go to out-do Carson, whose own pseudo-science has denied the Third World poor the most effective, cheapest protection from malaria.

Loons and goons. On reflection, it seems too kind a description.

Oh, by the way. The school named after Gore and Carson sits on polluted soil, which had to be carted away at great expense. How fitting, no?

What do you say?
http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2010/09/08/global-warming-loons-and-goons/33667/

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posted July 27, 2011 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Global Warming Panel to Earth's Rescue, on Our Dime
7/26/2011
Rachel Marsden

Hundreds of United Nations global warming scientists just met in France via Earth-destroying air travel, ironically at a time of unseasonably cool temperatures across France, to once again justify their funding. Apparently the overall temperature of Earth is set to maybe rise 4 degrees Fahrenheit within the next hundred years. And you can bet that when climate scientists get together to discuss "solutions" to these hypothetical "problems," they're going to come up with ways to make humans suffer for being jerks to the planet.

According to the website for the group -- known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) -- its newest assessment report is focused on "risk management and the framing of a response through both adaptation and mitigation." It's a modified focus compared with previous reports. A sign, perhaps, that the IPCC has given up on stopping livestock from passing flatulence -- the primary source of climate change gas -- and accepted our pending doom at the hands of our farting overlords.

I'd like to make a contribution to the cause with my own recommendations of how we can all better contend with an apparently devastating temperature rise of probably less than one degree over our lifetimes.

Because it's hard to justify doing anything differently for something so logically insignificant, I'll pretend, as climate scientists do, that I'll lose my funding and livelihood if I can't make something out of nothing. So I'll be exaggerating a bit and pretending that a one-degree rise is really more like a hundred. Let's start in Europe, where this lunacy always catches on easiest before spreading like a plague to North America.

First, if it's going to heat up, we all need to have access to glacial air-conditioning. I'm looking at you, France, where old folks die in summer heat waves because for whatever reason people can't embrace technology-bestowed climate management. The 2007 French decree recommending that no interior with a temperature under 80 degrees Fahrenheit ever be air-conditioned is already outdated. Humans need refuge somewhere from this apparently imminent spontaneous combustion.

Preferably everything everywhere should be air-conditioned between now and the day we're set to spontaneously combust. If we could somehow manage to air-condition the sidewalks as well, then maybe we could eliminate noticing the problem altogether.

Another adaptation I'd like to suggest is better hygiene. If we're going to be increasingly hot and sweaty in the future, we should start making laws curtailing olfactory assault. Specifically, these laws should target people who don't wash either themselves or their clothes often enough in hot weather. Encouraging greater use of water, deodorant and washing/drying machines would go a long way in making us all more comfortable during this inevitable slide into inferno. I suggest imposing stink-fines, and building stink-prisons for the worst offenders.

Oh, and drink lots of water. Guzzle it like we have oceans full of it -- which we do. And we'll have more when the glaciers melt, right?

That's all I've got -- simple and people-centric -- because no one's paying me U.N. money to come up with impractical nonsense. Now let's see what the French environment minister, Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet (NKM), has come up with. Wow, it looks like she has 230 ideas, at an estimated total cost of 550 million Euros -- none of which will require a popular vote in French parliament. I bet my suggestion of air-conditioning all the sidewalks would cost less than that.

NKM claims to want to reduce water consumption by 20 percent by 2020 (I'm already thirsty), recycle used water (gross), "diversify the genetic resources of trees" to better adapt parks to forest fires (yay for trees), and adapt things like "trains and roads" to produce less carbon dioxide (yay for trains, bad for plants, which use CO2 as food). What about the humans? Who will represent the interest of non-bureaucrats and non-profiteers in the global-warming debate?

Reducing water consumption and increasing the use of recycled used water seem to be the most sadistic measures that could possibly be adopted to combat a rise in temperature -- especially when the theoretically melting glaciers should be giving us more water than we could ever need. Hopefully we'll still be allowed to make beer when the temperature goes up a couple of degrees, so we can drink and bathe in that as the last bastion of human refreshment.
http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelmarsden/2011/07/26/global_warming_panel_to_earths_rescue,_on_our_dime

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posted July 27, 2011 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are you sure you have had your meds today Jwhop>??

each one of your posts today get more & more hilarious.

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posted July 27, 2011 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess leftists don't have a sense of humor.

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posted July 28, 2011 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess leftists don't have a sense of humor Randall.

If leftists had a sense of humor, they would immediately see the humor in the gathering in Africa screeching about global warming after the harshest winter..there...in decades. As the writer said, you can't make this stuff up. Indeed, this is such a common occurance among the man made global warming set that no one needs to make anything up...except the religionists of the man made global warming religion; who have spun up the entire hoax out of nothing.

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posted August 10, 2011 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FLASH: Algore's heated profanity laced speech at Aspen Institute raises Earth's temperature 1*C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SfWdDP5v_A

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posted August 10, 2011 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i guess conservatives don't have a sense of humour either, since node was joking and neither of you got it did you?

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posted August 10, 2011 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall has a terrific sense of humor!

Even I had to laugh at Algore's tirade.

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On thin ice
The most recent global climate report fails to capture the reality of the changing Arctic seascape, according to MIT researchers.

Emily Finn, MIT News Office
August 10, 2011

The Arctic — a mosaic of oceans, glaciers and the northernmost projections of several countries — is a place most of us will never see. We can imagine it, though, and our mental picture is dominated by one feature: ice.

Yet the Arctic sea ice is changing dramatically, and its presence shouldn’t be taken for granted, even over the course of our lifetimes.

According to new research from MIT, the most recent global climate report fails to capture trends in Arctic sea-ice thinning and drift, and in some cases substantially underestimates these trends. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, released in 2007, forecasts an ice-free Arctic summer by the year 2100, among other predictions. But Pierre Rampal, a postdoc in the Department of Earth, Atmosphere, and Planetary Sciences (EAPS), and colleagues say it may happen several decades earlier.

It’s all in the mechanics

Established in 1988 by the United Nations, the IPCC issues reports that represent an average of many findings, and is sometimes criticized for forecasting according to the “lowest common denominator” of climate research. Still, many policymakers put large stock in its predictions, so Rampal says it is important to continuously evaluate and improve their accuracy.

After comparing IPCC models with actual data, Rampal and his collaborators concluded that the forecasts were significantly off: Arctic sea ice is thinning, on average, four times faster than the models say, and it’s drifting twice as quickly.

The findings are forthcoming in the Journal of Geophysical Research – Oceans. Co-authors are Jérôme Weiss and Clotilde Dubois of France’s Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique/Université Joseph Fourier and Centre National de Recherches Météorologiques, respectively, and Jean-Michel Campin, a research scientist in EAPS.

Part of the problem, Rampal says, may be inadequate modeling of mechanical forces acting on and within the ice in the Arctic basin. Thus far, the IPCC models have largely focused on temperature fluctuations, which are one way to lose or gain ice. But according to Rampal, mechanics can be just as important: Forces such as wind and ocean currents batter the ice, causing it to break up. Ice that’s in small pieces behaves differently than ice in one large mass, which affects its overall volume and surface area.

“If you make a mistake at this level of the model, you can expect that you are missing something very important,” Rampal says.

The seasonal tug of war

Rampal says mechanical forces can play a significant role in winter, when little melting occurs but when strong winds and ocean currents can wreak drastic effects on the ice’s shape and movement.

Traditionally, in winter, most of the Arctic Ocean was covered with a thick sheet of ice. But today’s winter ice cover is thinner, meaning it breaks up more easily under the influence of winds and currents. It eventually looks like an “ensemble of floes,” Rampal says, instead of one large mass. In summer, natural melting due to warmer temperatures opens the door to even more breakup. (Scientists refer to these patches of floes as “pancake ice,” because the small circular pieces look like — yes — pancakes on a griddle.)

During both seasons, ice in this state is prone to escaping from the Arctic basin, most commonly through the Fram Strait, a wide swath of ocean between Greenland and the Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard. The smaller the floes, the more likely they are to be lost through the Fram Strait, where they melt on contact with warmer waters to the south.

So, several factors are connected in a positive feedback loop: Thinner ice breaks more easily; smaller chunks of ice drift more quickly; and drifting ice is more prone to export and melting at lower latitude. But Rampal also cites examples of negative feedback loops, which may counteract some of the ice loss. For example, large cracks in winter’s ice cover help create new ice, since the extremely cold air in contact with the liquid ocean promotes refreezing, which leads to a sheet with greater surface area than before.

‘You’d better start now’

Because “everything is coupled” in these intricate feedback loops, “it’s hard to predict the future of Arctic sea ice,” Rampal says. Doing so will require more thorough modeling and real-world observations, especially of mechanical forces and other ice phenomena that have been poorly understood. Rampal is now working on a project with researchers at MIT and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, whose goal is to combine models and observations for a more accurate picture of the state of the world’s oceans.

Bruno Tremblay, an associate professor in the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at McGill University, agrees that “the dynamic of sea ice is really important,” and inadequate modeling of mechanical forces is “part of the reason [the IPCC report] can’t predict correctly the future of sea ice decline.” Still, he cautions against jumping to overly grim conclusions, citing a need to consider subtle changes in the Arctic atmosphere: At some point, for instance, “maybe the wind no longer aligns itself with the Fram Strait, and that reduces ice export,” he says.

Although it’s impossible to say for sure when we might see an ice-free Arctic, the IPCC itself has acknowledged that its 2007 report may have painted too rosy a picture. “If you look at the scientific knowledge things do seem to be getting progressively worse,” said Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC chair, in an interview reported by The New York Times shortly after the report’s release. “So you’d better start with the interventions even earlier. Now.”
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/arctic-ice-melt-0810.html

See? You can have bad models, and things can actually be worse than scientists suspected it would be.

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posted August 10, 2011 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think some people have forgotten that the Titanic struck an iceberg off the coast of Nova Scotia in 1912.

Drifting sea ice is nothing new. Neither are ice shelves breaking off and drifting south in the Atlantic.

RMS 'Carpathia' in harbour at Halifax, Nova Scotia, c1912.

The Cunard Line passenger ship 'Carpathia' responded to the 'Titanic''s distress call after she struck an iceberg and began to sink on 14 April 1912. Steaming at 17.5 knots through dangerous ice fields, she arrived at the scene four hours later, just under two hours after the liner sank. 'Carpathia' rescued the 705 survivors of the disaster and took them to New York. She was sunk by a German U-boat off the east coast of Ireland on 17 July 1918 while on convoy duty.

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I don't think the article was saying that drifting sea ice is new.

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No, but the thrust of the article is that Arctic sea ice is thinning and "drifting twice as quickly".

Sea ice drift is a function of ocean currents. Further, sea ice has, in the past, drifted across the equator into the Southern Hemisphere.

When the evidence is examined, we find fraud upon fraud upon fraud coming out of the man made global warming religion.

Global Warming Link to Drowned Polar Bears Melts Under Searing Fed Probe
08/11/2011
Audrey Hudson

Polar bears drowning in an Alaskan sea because the ice packs are melting—it’s the iconic image of the global warming debate.

But the validity of the science behind the image—presented as an ignoble testament to our environment in peril by Al Gore in his film An Inconvenient Truth—is now part of a federal investigation that has the environmental community on edge.

Special agents from the Interior Department’s inspector general's office are questioning the two government scientists about the paper they wrote on drowned polar bears, suggesting mistakes were made in the math and as to how the bears actually died, and the department is eyeing another study currently underway on bear populations.

Biologist Charles Monnett, the lead scientist on the paper, was placed on administrative leave July 18. Fellow biologist Jeffrey Gleason, who also contributed to the study, is being questioned, but has not been suspended.

The disputed paper was published by the journal Polar Biology in 2006, and suggests that the “drowning-related deaths of polar bears may increase in the future if the observed trend of regression of pack ice and/or longer open-water periods continues.”

It galvanized the environmental movement that led to the bear’s controversial listing in 2008 as threatened, and it is now protected under the Endangered Species Act.

Although the four dead bears cited in the paper were observed from 1,500 feet during flights over the Beaufort Sea, and the carcasses were never recovered or examined, Gleason told investigators it is likely the creatures drowned in a sudden windstorm that produced 30-knot winds, not for lack of an ice pack.

“We never mentioned global warming in the paper,” Gleason told the investigators, according to the transcript.

“But it’s inferred,” responded investigator Eric May. “That’s why the world took it up as a global warming tangent.”

Gleason told investigators that reaction to his and Monnett’s paper was overblown and spun out of context.

“I think these sorts of things tend to mushroom, and the interpretation gets popularized,” Gleason said. “Something very small turns into this big snowball coming down the mountain, and that's, I think, what happened with this paper.”

Gleason concedes that the study had a major impact on the controversial listing of the bear as an endangered species because of global warming.

“As a side note, talking about my former supervisor, he actually sent me an e-mail at one point saying, ‘You’re the reason polar bears got listed,’” Gleason said.

Monnett now manages $50 million in studies as part of his duties as a wildlife biologist with the Interior Department’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement.

Investigators are also examining Monnet’s procurement of one of those research studies on polar bears conducted by Canada's University of Alberta, as well as the “disclosure of personal relationships and preparation of the scope of work,” according to a July 29 memo from the Interior Department's inspector general’s office.

In particular, investigators are asking questions about the peer review work on Monnett’s drowned polar bear paper, which was done by his wife, Lisa Rotterman, as well as Andrew Derocher, the lead researcher on the Canadian study under review by the inspector general's office.

Monnett is being legally defended by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER), which posted the interviews the inspector general's office conducted with both scientists on its website.

PEER calls Monnett’s work “groundbreaking research,” and says the investigation is a political attempt to “impugn his observations on polar bears’ vulnerability to retreating sea ice.”

“With each interview, it becomes more outrageous that government funds are being spent on this crackpot probe while paying Dr. Monnett’s salary to sit at home,” said Jeff Ruch, executive director of PEER.

“This seven-page paper, which had undergone internal peer review, management review and outside peer review coordinated by journal editors, galvanized scientific and public appreciation for the profound effects that climate change may already be having in the Arctic,” PEER said in another statement in support of Monnett.

Eric Holder’s Justice Department has already declined to pursue any criminal prosecution in the probe, but the scientists still face possible administrative action for any wrongdoing, the inspector general said in the memo.

With investigators suggesting his research is collapsing, Monnett was defensive in the interview, and asked for the inspectors’ credentials to question his work or second-guess his calculations.

For example, there was some confusion as to whether it was three or four dead bears used in the calculation to determine the ratio of survival, and whether Monnett assumed that four swimming bears seen the week earlier were the same polar bears recorded as dead in the next survey. The statistic in question was the percentage of bears likely to survive when swimming in a storm—Monnett estimated it to be around 25%, whereas investigators put the number at more than 57%.

“Is there a potential we made a mistake, and the peer reviewers didn’t catch it? Possibly,” Gleason said.

If the scientists had reported the 57% figure, investigator May said, “how people were taking this and exaggerating the results, probably may not have happened in terms of the world taking your study as attributing [the drownings to] global warming.”

After nearly two hours of Monnett defending his work to investigators, Ruch from PEER asked the officials to explain what allegations are being made against Monnett.

May said they are examining the “wrong numbers,” “miscalculations” and “scientific misconduct.”

“Well, that’s not scientific misconduct anyway,” Monnett said. “If anything, it’s sloppy.”

“I mean, that’s not—I mean, I mean, the level of criticism that they seem to have leveled here, scientific misconduct suggests that we did something deliberately to deceive or to change it,” Monnett said.

“I sure don’t see any indication of that in what you’re asking me about,” Monnett said.

The actual survey Monnett was conducting when he observed the dead bears in 2004 was the migration of bowhead whales. Investigators questioned how he later obtained data for a table listing live and dead polar bear sightings from 1987 to 2004.

“So how could you make the statement that no dead polar bears were observed” during that time period? May asked.

“Because we talked to the people that had flown the flights, and they would remember whether they had seen any dead polar bears,” Monnett said.

Asked whether he had any documentation to back that up, Monnett said that he did not.

“Science is about making the best case you can to test your hypothesis,” Monnett said. “You assemble your arguments and your data, you put it out there, and you see who’s going to knock it down.”

“And surprisingly, nobody, you know, knocked this down in any way. Everybody was just kind of like, ‘Oh, yeah, four dead polar bears. Okay, that’s kind of cool,’ ” Monnett said.

Dr. Rob Roy Ramey, a biologist who specializes in endangered species scientific issues for Wildlife Science International, Inc., reviewed Monnett’s paper as well as the inspector general's interviews for HUMAN EVENTS and said that the authors made unwarranted assumptions and large extrapolations based on a single event.

“They did not know if the polar bears actually drowned, they assumed that they had drowned. There were no statistical tests, just extrapolations made with no accounting for measurement error,” Ramey said.

“The paper gives the appearance that rigorous surveying was done for polar bears, when it was not,” Ramey said.

“They were flying at 1,500 feet with the purpose of looking for bowhead whales, which are much larger and easier to spot.”

Ramey also says he sees a conflict of interest for Monnett’s wife to be part of the internal peer review, and questioned the awarding of a contract to Derocher, who also participated in the peer review.

“That’s not impartial,” Ramey said. “It’s really important that peer review be truly independent. If they can’t be, then everyone has to state their conflict right up front.”

“I think it’s very illustrative of the problems with government research on endangered species, and raises the question as to whether government should be in the business of science,” Ramey said.

Numerous studies contributed to the bear’s listing as a protected species, including the paper on polar bear drowning, which was cited in the Federal Register’s proposed rule.

In making the announcement May 14, 2008, to protect the bear under the Endangered Species Act, the Interior Department said the listing “is based on the best available science, which shows the loss of sea ice threatens and will likely continue to threaten polar bear habitat.”

The Interior Department said it would modify regulatory language “to prevent abuse of this listing to erect a backdoor climate policy outside our normal system of political accountability.”

As part of the Endangered Species Act listing, the department said work would continue with scientists to monitor polar bear populations and trends, as well as the effects of oil and gas operations in the Beaufort Sea region.

“Power, money, authority and recognition come with listings on the endangered species list,” Ramey said.

Investigators conducted a second interview with Monnett on Tuesday. PEER said in a statement afterward that his “2006 peer-reviewed journal article on drowned polar bears remains the focus of the inquiry.”

Myron Ebell​, director of energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said that the government is expected to “spend trillions of dollars to save the world from global warming on the basis of what a few scientists say.”

“There needs to be due diligence, and we need to challenge and investigate every single claim. The public expects that,” Ebell said. “But we find over and over that shoddy science has been put forward, and in some cases, dishonest and manipulated science, and they say, ‘Trust us,’ ” Ebell said.

“It’s extremely irresponsible.”
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No, but the thrust of the article is that Arctic sea ice is thinning and "drifting twice as quickly".

Right, and that it's actually WORSE than stated in the IPCC report. The models failed to predict this increase.

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Global Warming Link to Drowned Polar Bears Melts Under Searing Fed Probe
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I thought we already tackled the fact that other scientists studied his hypothesis and found it correct. Monnett himself didn't do a study on it, but merely suggested the possibility that it might be true.

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Ummmm, when your wife is the person "peer reviewing" your work it doesn't do much to build confidence with the public.

The IPCC is a gigantic joke. People engaged in the fraud of man made global warming. People with a political and financial agenda.

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At least the NOAA attempt to be scientists. But the IPCC has been discredited so much it's laughable. True scientists have left the IPCC upon discovering their real agenda and the fraud within. They are the United Nations' puppets and exist (at least now) only for the purpose of control and manipulation. It doesn't matter what you post from them, it holds zero credibility. They should all be terminated and the IPCC closed down--which I anticipate will be the case soon enough. The pendulum it is a-swingin'. The IPCC's claim of global warming is nothing more than a snow job! Yes, Virginia, the polar bears are safe. The Antarctic ice sheets have been INCREASING at a rate of 100,000 square kilometers a decade! "Just last month (Jan 2010) in a scandal dubbed glacier-gate, the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reversed its erroneous prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035. Dr Murari Lal, the IPCC scientist behind the falsehood admitted it wasn't based on any sound scientific research, but was an alarmist ruse to bamboozle world leaders into precipitous action." See complete article below:

In the last two decades there has been increasingly strident noise about global warming purportedly due to human activity. This insane hysteria by doomsday eco-chondriacs, eco-alarmists and other such nut-jobs, is not supported by facts. Global temperatures have actually fallen in the last one and half decade, with the current winter in Europe and North Eastern United States being particularly severe leading to dozens of fatalities and disruption of air, road & rail transport. In North East USA, government and business activities were grounded for a whole week because of the severe winter.

Last April, the British Antarctic Survey reported that the Antarctic ice sheet is increasing. Hear them: “Satellite images show that since the 1970s the extent of Antarctic sea ice has increased at a rate of 100,000 square kilometres a decade." Furthermore, recent NASA satellite images disclosed by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), reveal that the supposedly endangered polar ice caps have now recovered. Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service affirms that parts of the Artic ice are now thicker than usual.

Just last month (Jan 2010) in a scandal dubbed glacier-gate, the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reversed its erroneous prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035. Dr Murari Lal, the IPCC scientist behind the falsehood admitted it wasn't based on any sound scientific research, but was an alarmist ruse to bamboozle world leaders into precipitous action.

Glacier-gate isn't the only scandal exposing the falsehoods feeding the global warming hysteria. Climate-gate was another such scandal in November last year at the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of University of East Anglia. Hacked e-mails revealed CRU climate “scientists” manipulating and cooking scientific data, as well as an orchestrated conspiracy to silence scientists skeptical of global warming by refusing to publish or cite their papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Data from CRU are a major input to IPCC climate projections.

London Telegraph newspaper dubs Climate-gate the greatest scandal of the century, and the British weather service is investigating the fraud including full review of 160 years of temperature data used by the University of East Anglia's CRU.

The conspiracy of crooked CRU scientists to thwart publications by global warming dissenters in peer-reviewed scientific journals is just one of the plots to intimidate and frustrate global warming skeptics. Way back in 1990, a British Channel Four TV documentary The Greenhouse Conspiracy, exposed discriminatory blockage research funds to scientists skeptical of global warming.

In a 2007 interview with Investor's Business Daily, Professor William Gray of the Atmosphere department, Colorado State University lamented that “fellow scientists are not speaking out against something they know is wrong. Because they know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out”.


Media badmouthing of dissenters is yet another weapon in the arsenal of global warming propagandists, with CBS News' Scott Pelley equating global warming critics to “holocaust deniers”.

Threats are also on the table, as global warmists like Weather Channel's climatologist Dr. Heidi Cullen advocate withdrawal of American Meteorological Society approval from skeptical TV weathermen.

Nonetheless, undaunted critics like the Canadian mathematician Steve McIntyre have taken up the gauntlet against global warming conspirators. He and his colleague Ross McKitrick successfully debunked the scary Hockey stick curve - a graphical representation purportedly showing marked rise in global temperatures between the 19th and 20th century supposedly due to human industrialization.

Never mind that the Medieval Warm Period (1000-1400AD) when there were no carbon dioxide emitting power stations or SUVs, was warmer than today's industrialized world. Even much warmer was the Holocene Thermal Maximum some 6000-8000 years ago when there was virtually no human civilization.

In a seminal treatise published in 2003, “M&M” - as the duo of McIntyre and McKitrick have come to be known in global warming circles - demonstrated flaws in the data samples and computer models used by Micheal Mann et al (1998) to concoct the phony Hockey stick. The computer model used was programmed to always produce the frightening Hockey Stick regardless of data input. This is the kind of wish-washy dubious “science” on which anthropogenic (man-caused) global warming is based.

In 2006, a US Congress commissioned investigation team led by Edward Wegman not only debunked the Hockey stick curve and other faulty climate presumptions, they concluded that global warming “cannot be supported” by scientific facts.

An audit of NOAA temperature monitoring stations - used to collate temperature data - by meteorologist Anthony Watts and Colorado state University climatologist Robert Peilke found that contrary to US National Weather Service guidelines, 89% of the temperature stations were sited less than 30 metres from a heat source, resulting in spuriously high temperature data.

In another recent study, Kester Green and Scott Armstrong of the US National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) audited the global warming climate forecasts in the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report and discovered that the IPCC violated 60 of the 127 principles relevant in assessing climate predictions.

The intellectual dishonesty of the global warming propagandists knows no bounds. In 2002, a UK court ruled that former US Vice President Al-Gore's global warming movie, An Inconvenient Truth contained numerous falsehoods.

Proponents of anthropogenic global warming falsely ascribe it to increase carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from combustion of fossil fuels for energy. So much so that the Obama administration even got the United States EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) to declare CO2, which we all exhale a danger to public health.

Thus the cap & trade nonsense might well apply to we humans and other animals in order to stop us from polluting the atmosphere with the CO2 we breathe out, which plants require to grow.

As Craig Idso of the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change rightly points out, increased atmospheric CO2 is actually a boon for plant life that can help boost agricultural output for the growing human population. In a 2002 New Phytologist review of over 150 scientific studies involving 79 plant species, Jablonski et al affirmed that extra CO2 boosts plant production of flowers, fruits and seeds.

Human activity accounts for less than 3.4% of global CO2 emissions, nature being responsible for the remaining 96.6%. In other words even if there were no human activity, 96.6% of global CO2 production would continue unabated.

Furthermore, CO2 constitutes a meagre 0.038% of all atmospheric gases and is not even the major greenhouse gas - water vapour is, accounting for up to 90% of greenhouse effect.

Add to this the much more important non-greenhouse factors influencing global climate - solar variation, ocean currents, volcanoes, earth's axis tilt & orbit, atmospheric aerosols etc - then the fallacy of the human generated greenhouse gases causing global warming becomes even more spurious.

Several scientific reports even disconnect global warming from atmospheric CO2. Nature online asserts that the polar ice caps were formed when atmospheric CO2 was 760ppm (parts per million), and the present CO2 is just 380ppm. Furthermore as Dr. Holly Fretwell of George Mason University rightly points out, data from the last 650,000 years tell us that temperatures changes actually precede changes in atmospheric CO2.

So CO2 emissions can't be causing global warming. Even an IPCC scientist, Dr Vincent Gray agrees - “There is no relationship between warming and the level of gases in the atmosphere.”

Other dissenting IPCC scientists include Yuri Izrael, the IPCC Vice Chair who in February 2007 wrote that the “the panic over global warming is totally unjustified…there is no serious threat to the climate”.

Following release of the IPCC 2001 report, its lead author, Dr. John Christy rebuked media sensationalism, “The world is in much better shape than this doomsday scenario paints … the worst-case scenario is not going to happen.”

No more than 50 CRU-type “scientists” of IPCC's inflated 2500 figure are responsible for its misleading alarmist reports about CO2 emissions from human industry. On the contrary, over 4000 scientists including 72 Nobel laureates have signed on the Heidelberg Appeal (1992) calling for an end to the irrational scare-mongering about human industry.

The eminent scientists noted: "We are…worried at the emergence of an irrational ideology which is opposed to scientific and industrial progress and impedes economic and social development…Humanity has always progressed by increasingly harnessing nature to its needs and not the reverse.”

Global warming is part of regular cyclical change that began long before humans evolved on this planet. In the last 1 billion years, there has been at least four ice ages interspersed with warming periods. During previous warming periods between ice ages, the earth was much warmer than today with no ice sheets even at the poles.

At that time humanity didn't even exist. It is therefore preposterous for today's eco-alarmists to claim that humanity is responsible for global warming. Presently we are in the interglacial period of an ice age that began some 2 million years ago in the Pleistocene epoch, as evidenced by the prominent Antarctic & Arctic ice sheets. So apocalyptic global warming is way off.

Perhaps because of the aforementioned widely reported global cooling events, the apocalyptic global warming doomsayers have now switched gears and now talk of anthropogenic “climate change”, as if climate was static prior to human industrialization.

Under this new rubric of "climate change”, all manner of climate related disasters are now attributed to man-caused greenhouse gas emissions. These include hurricanes like Katrina and the advancing Sahara desertification. Never mind that the Sahara was desertified from the thriving savannah it once was thousands of years ago when there was no human industrial activity.

US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) data debunk any connection between hurricanes and human industrialization. In a recent study published in Geophysical Research Letters (Jan' 2008), the NOAA actually documents a decrease in hurricane activity over the last century. Last year there were no major hurricane scares even though human CO2 production has not declined.

Here in Naija, the Climate Action Network even includes gully erosion as a global warming issue. Really? Do the follow-follow egg-heads there really believe reducing CO2 emissions will stop gully erosion in the South East? Instead of chasing shadows at recently concluded climate summit in Copenhagen, they should go after our thieving politicians and bureaucrats who steal and misappropriate Ecology funds meant to solve the problem.

Thankfully Copenhagen was a flop, and hopefully all other such idiotic machinations by climate change wackos will also come to naught.

This of course is not to deny that there are pressing environmental challenges that need to be addressed; such as wanton deforestation, advancing Sahara and drying up of Lake Chad. Drastic innovative solutions are required not unrealistic idiocy of shutting down industries that are required to cater for growing human population.

Need we remind these climate change nut-jobs that de-industrialization of the Nigerian economy is largely responsible for our astronomical unemployment rate with attendant increased crime wave – kidnapping, armed robberies, ethno-religious clashes etc?

Switching power production to “green energy” sources (solar, wind etc) is totally unrealistic as their low power output is grossly inadequate for growing industrialized economies. Nuclear power is currently the major greenhouse gas free energy source that can easily rival or even replace dependence on fossil fuels, but this option is completely abhorrent to the global warming crowd. The Eco-wackos also often object to hydroelectric power on the grounds of adverse environmental impact.

With regards to the advancing Sahara, the technology already exists to afforest the entire Sahara and eliminate the desert even if it means constructing desalination plants and piping fresh water through the desert.

There are already tens of thousands of kilometers of pipelines for crude oil and natural gas, so why not for freshwater which is a much more sustainable resource of much greater long term benefit? The Sahara's underground water reserves would also be useful in this regard.

There is therefore an urgent need for a Sahara Afforestation Commission whose membership should include all the affected West & North African Countries.

Current piecemeal efforts of planting a few hundred or thousand trees on several acres won't stop the world's largest desert which is larger than Europe. Neither would shutting down all industries, grounding all aircraft, scrapping all SUVs and switching to green energy that are cost ineffective and can't meet global energy needs. http://www.modernghana.com/newsp/265609/1/pagenum/the-global-warming-hoax.html#continue


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