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AcousticGod
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posted August 11, 2011 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Monnett's wife wasn't the one who did an independent study regarding polar bears, and Monnett's paper (for which she might have been a peer reviewer) was primarily about whales not polar bears (his comment about polar bears was not part of a study on polar bears).

Here's other scientists research on polar bears that confirm Monnett's suspiscions: http://www.livescience.com/15127-climate-change-polar-bears-swimming.html

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The IPCC has been discredited so much it's laughable.

That's interesting, because if it truly were "discredited so much" it probably wouldn't be working on its fifth assessment. I don't know why reality has to be such a difficult thing to grasp.

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posted August 11, 2011 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Global warming is a billion-dollar windfall for scientists. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend? Do you think everyone is honest in this world? It's all about the dollar bills. Any number of sciences and those within these fields confirm that it's a farce. But I feel like global warming is causing the arctic icesheets to increase. I might apply for a grant to fund the research. Shouldn't be too hard to find a few nutjob scientists to agree and jump on board.

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posted August 11, 2011 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The same conspiracy theory you've been touting for awhile now. Any number of sciences and scientists confirm that it's not a farce. Even skeptics confirm that global warming has happened.

No, I don't think everyone's honest in this world. I do believe, however, that the general tendency for people is that they wish to perform their job well. You don't get into science because your intent is mass fraud, and while you might get into science for the money, climate science wouldn't be considered the ideal money-making science. On this we should easily agree. How then are these global warming conspirators enlisting all these scientists to buy into their global warming scheme? You don't realize how ridiculous that (not only sounds, but) is. It's plainly ludicrous, and I can't help but see you two in the same light. Nothing could be farther from acknowledging reality than trying to claim that global warming is some conspiracy concocted to either make money or control economies.

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posted August 11, 2011 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, I don't think everyone's honest in this world. I do believe, however, that the general tendency for people is that they wish to perform their job well. You don't get into science because your intent is mass fraud, and while you might get into science for the money, climate science wouldn't be considered the ideal money-making science. On this we should easily agree. How then are these global warming conspirators enlisting all these scientists to buy into their global warming scheme? You don't realize how ridiculous that (not only sounds, but) is. It's plainly ludicrous, and I can't help but see you two in the same light. Nothing could be farther from acknowledging reality than trying to claim that global warming is some conspiracy concocted to either make money or control economies.

denier mainframe encapsulated. Business lovers and those that buy into the disenfranchisement of science come at a price__ that is paid quite willingly__ by the fossil conglomerates that are rank scared at where the profits will come from once alternatives are fully funded and on line.

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posted August 11, 2011 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, we do not agree on that. Climate science is very lucrative. Research money is very accessible. The earth is going to continue doing what it has for billions of years regardless of puny humans...no matter what pseudoscientists claim or how we try in an effort of futility to alter it. It doesn't take much sense to understand that if CO2 is viewed as a poison and that fallacy is used as a reason regulate business and industry, then that is clearly about control of economies...and about profits with the sale of carbon credits. DUH! And as stated over and over, there is no consensus. A huge wave of dissenting scientists have come forth to refute the idiocy of global warming.

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posted August 11, 2011 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about M O M

Mind Over Matter

and, Re-Versing the Poles!?

We created this, I really believe that!

Our Dreaming Our Consciousness, Our Oneness,
in ALL this!

I also believe in Miracles!

and fairies, and elves, and gnomes, lol

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posted August 11, 2011 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is true Randall, but it might become inhospitable to us.

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posted August 11, 2011 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The factual occurrence of climate change has never been lunacy.

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posted August 11, 2011 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Attributing climate change to man is beyond lunacy...and trying to change it is all about money and nothing else...further fueled by the mindless who blindly follow the status quo. Warming is a good thing (although we seem to have stabilized and are cooling). It will only become difficult for humans when global cooling kicks in. The last little ice age occurred in only a year's time. That's what we should be concerned about. Once it begins, the psuedoscientists will be trying to pump CO2 into the atmosphere to alter it...but to no avail. We can no more affect climate than we can affect the sun.

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posted August 11, 2011 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, at the last Bilderberger meeting (I don't buy into the New World Order conspiracy of the Bilderbergers) global warning wasn't on the agenda. Those guys are not fools. Their concern was that the natural warming period of the earth may be reaching its end and the sun going into its cyclical hibernation mode. That's very frightening. A global ice age would spell disaster for humanity. We will survive, but at the cost of many of the luxuries we now take for granted.

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posted August 11, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Climate science is very lucrative. Grant money is very accessible.

False premise. Full stop.
If mainstream scientists were to come out tomorrow, and claim that because the temperature has somewhat levelled out we need not worry about too many further side effects...the NOAA would not shut its doors, NASA would not stop putting satellites in the sky, universities would NOT stop studying the climate.

Your premise relies on "global warming" being the trigger for the financial gain. It's not. The climate would continue to be studied, and grant money would still be as easy or as hard to get as it is today. It's a completely irrational premise to believe that "global warming" is a boon to scientists that would otherwise not exist. If you took all the side effects currently linked with global warming away from the "global warming" umbrella, they'd continue to warrant study and observation.

Further, the economics of energy and oil predict the movement to alternative energies, so once again the money is not tied to the belief that there's global warming. That's as big of a red herring as you could have on the subject.

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It doesn't take much sense to understand that if CO2 is viewed as a poison and that fallacy is used as a reason regulate business and industry, then that is clearly about control of economies...and about profits with the sale of carbon credits. DUH!

You may not like the carbon credits plan, but despite it measures to mitigate CO2 are not measures to control economies. You'd have to say that was true of literally any pollution regulation for that to be true. If humans won't voluntarily take care of their environment, then governments of all sizes and divisions are going to regulate. We've seen that play out plenty of times. It's ok to regulate food distributors to ensure the health of the citizenship. That's a burden to food manufacturers. It's ok to regulate what gets dumped into streams and our water supplies. That's a burden to those entities that would prefer polluting. It's ok to regulate people into wearing seat belts for their own safety. Cars could save the expense otherwise. There's never been a dangerous situation that hasn't been up for regulation despite any consequence it may have on the economy. It's not about creating an intentional global burden that is extraordinary, and which leads the scientist class into being the rulers of the world. No, that's outrageous. However, if countries around the globe happen to have certain causes in common, they tend to adopt similar solutions. America's not the only nation with seatbelts in the cars. That wasn't some global conspiracy to take over the economy. It's all too outrageously dastardly to even be plausible. It's a false premise.

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A huge wave of dissenting scientists have come forth to refute the idiocy of global warming.

You may be convinced of this, but that has little bearing on people just observing the data and reporting what's factual. In fact, there's more incentive to be a dissenter than there is to be objectively neutral, which is probably the category most scientists fall under. As a dissenter, one is fighting for a cause. As a information gatherer typically it's just recording data. The incentive for recording data is to find out the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the existing science. Like the last article I posted. The data suggested the IPCC models were wrong. The IPCC models underestimated what actually occurred. If there was an agenda there, they would have omitted finding the IPCC's models wrong. Instead, they included that in the report...for the betterment of the scientific community (their incentive).

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Attributing climate change to man is beyond lunacy

I would warn you against being dramatic in your statements. It's nowhere near "beyond lunacy". I've already reminded you what nuclear bombs could do to the environment. Saying that man couldn't possibly affect the climate is closer to lunacy.

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(although we seem to have stabilized and are cooling)

Stabilized, yes. Cooling, no.

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posted August 11, 2011 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this interesting...

Milankovitch Cycles
Milankovitch Cycles: Changes in Earth-Sun Interaction
By Matt Rosenberg, About.com Guide
.See More About:milankovich cyclesclimateglobal warmingearth-sun interaction
The earth's wobble and change to its axis and orbit around the sun all change on a cyclical basis. These account for changes to the earth-sun interaction and are known as Milankovich cycles.

While we're all familiar with the axis of the earth pointing toward the North Star (Polaris) at an angle of 23.45° and that the earth is approximately 91-94 million miles from the sun, these facts are not absolute or constant. The interaction between the earth and sun, known as orbital variation, changes and has changed throughout the 4.6 billion year history of our planet.

Eccentricity

Eccentricity is the change in the shape of the earth's orbit around the sun. Currently, our planet's orbit is almost a perfect circle. There is only about a 3% difference in distance between the time when we're closest to the sun (perihelion) and the time when we're farthest from the sun (aphelion). Perihelion occurs on January 3 and at that point, the earth is 91.4 million miles away from the sun. At aphelion, July 4, the earth is 94.5 million miles from the sun.

Over a 95,000 year cycle, the earth's orbit around the sun changes from a thin ellipse (oval) to a circle and back again. When the orbit around the sun is most elliptical, there is larger difference in the distance between the earth and sun at perihelion and aphelion. Though the current three million mile difference in distance doesn't change the amount of solar energy we receive much, a larger difference would modify the amount of solar energy received and would make perihelion a much warmer time of the year than aphelion.

Obliquity

On a 42,000 year cycle, the earth wobbles and the angle of the axis, with respect to the plane of revolution around the sun, varies between 22.1° and 24.5° . Less of an angle than our current 23.45° means less seasonal differences between the Northern and Southern Hemispheres while a greater angle means greater seasonal differences (i.e. a warmer summer and cooler winter).

Precession

12,000 years from now the Northern Hemisphere will experience summer in December and winter in June because the axis of the earth will be pointing at the star Vega instead of it's current alignment with the North Star or Polaris. This seasonal reversal won't happen suddenly but the seasons will gradually shift over thousands of years.

Milankovitch Cycles

Astronomer Milutin Milankovitch developed the mathematical formulas upon which these orbital variations are based. He hypothesized that when some parts of the cyclic variations are combined and occur at the same time, they are responsible for major changes to the earth's climate (even ice ages). Milankovitch estimated climatic fluctuations over the last 450,000 years and described cold and warm periods. Though he did his work in the first half of the 20th century, Milankovich's results weren't proven until the 1970s.

A 1976 study, published in the journal Science examined deep-sea sediment cores and found that Milankovich's theory corresponded to periods of climate change. Indeed, ice ages had occurred when the earth was going through different stages of orbital variation.

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posted August 11, 2011 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everything you just posted is your most absurd hogwash yet, AG. You're missing the point--CO2 is not a pollutant. But you always miss the points, so no surprise there. I'm not even going to read any more of your pointless drivel. I have already addressed your repetitious mantras in prior articles I posted from authorities in their respective fields. And yes, there is a strong correlation between climate and the tilt of the earth's axis in its orbital patterns around the sun.

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posted August 12, 2011 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
° Myth: Unsurvivable "nuclear winter" surely will follow a nuclear war. The world will be frozen if only 100 megatons (less than one percent of all nuclear weapons) are used to ignite cities. World-enveloping smoke from fires and the dust from surface bursts will prevent almost all sunlight and solar heat from reaching the earth's surface. Universal darkness for weeks! Sub-zero temperatures, even in summertime! Frozen crops, even in the jungles of South America! Worldwide famine! Whole species of animals and plants exterminated! The survival of mankind in doubt!

° Facts: Unsurvivable "nuclear winter" is a discredited theory that, since its conception in 1982, has been used to frighten additional millions into believing that trying to survive a nuclear war is a waste of effort and resources, and that only by ridding the world of almost all nuclear weapons do we have a chance of surviving.

Non-propagandizing scientists recently have calculated that the climatic and other environmental effects of even an all-out nuclear war would be much less severe than the catastrophic effects repeatedly publicized by popular astronomer Carl Sagan and his fellow activist scientists, and by all the involved Soviet scientists. Conclusions reached from these recent, realistic calculations are summarized in an article, "Nuclear Winter Reappraised", featured in the 1986 summer issue of Foreign Affairs, the prestigious quarterly of the Council on Foreign Relations. The authors, Starley L. Thompson and Stephen H. Schneider, are atmospheric scientists with the National Center for Atmospheric Research. They showed "that on scientific grounds the global apocalyptic conclusions of the initial nuclear winter hypothesis can now be relegated to a vanishing low level of probability."
http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p912.htm

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posted August 12, 2011 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's hogwash is responding to a common sense rebuke of your logic with a pronunciation that doesn't refute any of it.

Because I didn't address CO2 I miss the point? Do you know how many times I've tackled CO2 over the years? Do you realize how little I care about how you personally view CO2? Let's suppose that you're right, that CO2 isn't the culprit. We still have a strange anomaly that has raised the global temperature, and kept it at this increased temperature for over a decade. If it's not manmade, it's still an issue. There are still consequences. You think that by focusing this debate on the supposed manmade aspect of it you undo everything? You don't. The issue still exists.

(For the latest on greenhouse gas science, go here: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110803_nonco2.html August 3, 2011)

For my own standards, I couldn't resort to the stuff you try to pull. I couldn't avoid all the modern science and all the modern scientific entities when looking for information. If you want to lead with the best information, then the most up-to-date information is where you start your search. To do otherwise undermines your credibility.

So yes, I agree that there are points missed. However, they're not on my side of this debate.

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posted August 12, 2011 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gosh, I could read for hours, here's something interesting...

``Aliens Cause Global Warming''

A lecture by Michael Crichton
Caltech Michelin Lecture
January 17, 2003

My topic today sounds humorous but unfortunately I am serious. I am going to argue that extraterrestrials lie behind global warming. Or to speak more precisely, I will argue that a belief in extraterrestrials has paved the way, in a progression of steps, to a belief in global warming.

Charting this progression of belief will be my task today.

Let me say at once that I have no desire to discourage anyone from believing in either extraterrestrials or global warming. That would be quite impossible to do. Rather, I want to discuss the history of several widely-publicized beliefs and to point to what I consider an emerging crisis in the whole enterprise of science-namely the increasingly uneasy relationship between hard science and public policy.

I have a special interest in this because of my own upbringing. I was born in the midst of World War II, and passed my formative years at the height of the Cold War. In school drills, I dutifully crawled under my desk in preparation for a nuclear attack.

It was a time of widespread fear and uncertainty, but even as a child I believed that science represented the best and greatest hope for mankind. Even to a child, the contrast was clear between the world of politics-a world of hate and danger, of irrational beliefs and fears, of

mass manipulation and disgraceful blots on human history. In contrast, science held different values-international in scope, forging friendships and working relationships across national boundaries and political systems, encouraging a dispassionate habit of thought, and ultimately leading to fresh knowledge and technology that would benefit all mankind. The world might not be avery good place, but science would make it better. And it did. In my lifetime, science has largely fulfilled its promise. Science has been the great intellectual adventure of our age, and a great hope for our troubled and restless world.

But I did not expect science merely to extend lifespan, feed the hungry, cure disease, and shrink the world with jets and cell phones. I also expected science to banish the evils of human thought---prejudice and superstition, irrational beliefs and false fears. I expected science to be, in Carl Sagan's memorable phrase, "a candle in a demon haunted world." And here, I am not so pleased with the impact of science. Rather than serving as a cleansing force, science has in some instances been seduced by the more ancient lures of politics and publicity. Some of the demons that haunt our world in recent years are invented by scientists. The world has not benefited from permitting these demons to escape free.

But let's look at how it came to pass.

Cast your minds back to 1960. John F. Kennedy is president, commercial jet airplanes are just appearing, the biggest university mainframes have 12K of memory. And in Green Bank, West Virginia at the new National Radio Astronomy Observatory, a young astrophysicist named Frank Drake runs a two week project called Ozma, to search for extraterrestrial signals. A signal is received, to great excitement. It turns out to be false, but the excitement remains. In 1960, Drake organizes the first SETI conference, and came up with the now-famous Drake equation:

N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL

Where N* is the number of stars in the Milky Way galaxy; fp is the fraction with planets; ne is the number of planets per star capable of supporting life; fl is the fraction of planets where life evolves; fi is the fraction where intelligent life evolves; and fc is the fraction that communicates; and fL is the fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live.

This serious-looking equation gave SETI an serious footing as a legitimate intellectual inquiry. The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we're clear-are merely expressions of prejudice. Nor can there be "informed guesses." If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It's simply prejudice.

As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion. Faith is defined as the firm belief in something for which there is no proof. The belief that the Koran is the word of God is a matter of faith. The belief that God created the universe in seven days is a matter of faith. The belief that there are other life forms in the universe is a matter of faith. There is not a single shred of evidence for any other life forms, and in forty years of searching, none has been discovered. There is absolutely no evidentiary reason to maintain this belief. SETI is a religion.

One way to chart the cooling of enthusiasm is to review popular works on the subject. In 1964, at the height of SETI enthusiasm, Walter Sullivan of the NY Times wrote an exciting book about life in the universe entitled WE ARE NOT ALONE. By 1995, when Paul Davis wrote a book on the same subject, he titled it ARE WE ALONE? ( Since 1981, there have in fact been four books titled ARE WE ALONE.) More recently we have seen the rise of the so-called "Rare Earth" theory which suggests that we may, in fact, be all alone. Again, there is no evidence either way.

Back in the sixties, SETI had its critics, although not among astrophysicists and astronomers. The biologists and paleontologists were harshest. George Gaylord Simpson of Harvard sneered that SETI was a "study without a subject," and it remains so to the present day.

But scientists in general have been indulgent toward SETI, viewing it either with bemused tolerance, or with indifference. After all, what's the big deal? It's kind of fun. If people want to look, let them. Only a curmudgeon would speak harshly of SETI. It wasn't worth the bother.

And of course it is true that untestable theories may have heuristic value. Of course extraterrestrials are a good way to teach science to kids. But that does not relieve us of the obligation to see the Drake equation clearly for what it is-pure speculation in quasi-scientific trappings.

The fact that the Drake equation was not greeted with screams of outrage-similar to the screams of outrage that greet each Creationist new claim, for example-meant that now there was a crack in the door, a loosening of the definition of what constituted legitimate scientific procedure. And soon enough, pernicious garbage began to squeeze through the cracks.

Now let's jump ahead a decade to the 1970s, and Nuclear Winter.

In 1975, the National Academy of Sciences reported on "Long-Term Worldwide Effects of Multiple Nuclear Weapons Detonations" but the report estimated the effect of dust from nuclear blasts to be relatively minor. In 1979, the Office of Technology Assessment issued a report on "The Effects of Nuclear War" and stated that nuclear war could perhaps produce irreversible adverse consequences on the environment. However, because the scientific processes involved were poorly understood, the report stated it was not possible to estimate the probable magnitude of such damage.

Three years later, in 1982, the Swedish Academy of Sciences commissioned a report entitled "The Atmosphere after a Nuclear War: Twilight at Noon," which attempted to quantify the effect of smoke from burning forests and cities. The authors speculated that there would be so much smoke that a large cloud over the northern hemisphere would reduce incoming sunlight below the level required for photosynthesis, and that this would last for weeks or even longer.

The following year, five scientists including Richard Turco and Carl Sagan published a paper in Science called "Nuclear Winter: Global Consequences of Multiple Nuclear Explosions." This was the so-called TTAPS report, which attempted to quantify more rigorously the atmospheric effects, with the added credibility to be gained from an actual computer model of climate.

At the heart of the TTAPS undertaking was another equation, never specifically expressed, but one that could be paraphrased as follows:

Ds = Wn Ws Wh Tf Tb Pt Pr Pe? etc

(The amount of tropospheric dust=# warheads x size warheads x warhead detonation height x flammability of targets x Target burn duration x Particles entering the Troposphere x Particle reflectivity x Particle endurance?and so on.)

The similarity to the Drake equation is striking. As with the Drake equation, none of the variables can be determined. None at all. The TTAPS study addressed this problem in part by mapping out different wartime scenarios and assigning numbers to some of the variables, but even so, the remaining variables were-and are-simply unknowable. Nobody knows how much smoke will be generated when cities burn, creating particles of what kind, and for how long. No one knows the effect of local weather conditions on the amount of particles that will be injected into the troposphere. No one knows how long the particles will remain in the troposphere. And so on.

And remember, this is only four years after the OTA study concluded that the underlying scientific processes were so poorly known that no estimates could be reliably made. Nevertheless, the TTAPS study not only made those estimates, but concluded they were catastrophic.

According to Sagan and his coworkers, even a limited 5,000 megaton nuclear exchange would cause a global temperature drop of more than 35 degrees Centigrade, and this change would last for three months. The greatest volcanic eruptions that we know of changed world temperatures somewhere between .5 and 2 degrees Centigrade. Ice ages changed global temperatures by 10 degrees. Here we have an estimated change three times greater than any ice age. One might expect it to be the subject of some dispute.

But Sagan and his coworkers were prepared, for nuclear winter was from the outset the subject of a well-orchestrated media campaign. The first announcement of nuclear winter appeared in an article by Sagan in the Sunday supplement, Parade. The very next day, a highly-publicized, high-profile conference on the long-term consequences of nuclear war was held in Washington, chaired by Carl Sagan and Paul Ehrlich, the most famous and media-savvy scientists of their generation. Sagan appeared on the Johnny Carson show 40 times. Ehrlich was on 25 times. Following the conference, there were press conferences, meetings with congressmen, and so on. The formal papers in Science came months later.

This is not the way science is done, it is the way products are sold.

The real nature of the conference is indicated by these artists' renderings of the the effect of nuclear winter.

I cannot help but quote the caption for figure 5: "Shown here is a tranquil scene in the north woods. A beaver has just completed its dam, two black bears forage for food, a swallow-tailed butterfly flutters in the foreground, a loon swims quietly by, and a kingfisher searches for a tasty fish." Hard science if ever there was.

At the conference in Washington, during the question period, Ehrlich was reminded that after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, scientists were quoted as saying nothing would grow there for 75 years, but in fact melons were growing the next year. So, he was asked, how accurate were these findings now?

Ehrlich answered by saying "I think they are extremely robust. Scientists may have made statements like that, although I cannot imagine what their basis would have been, even with the state of science at that time, but scientists are always making absurd statements, individually, in various places. What we are doing here, however, is presenting a consensus of a very large group of scientists?"

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.

Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.

In addition, let me remind you that the track record of the consensus is nothing to be proud of. Let's review a few cases.

In past centuries, the greatest killer of women was fever following childbirth . One woman in six died of this fever. In 1795, Alexander Gordon of Aberdeen suggested that the fevers were infectious processes, and he was able to cure them. The consensus said no. In 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes claimed puerperal fever was contagious, and presented compellng evidence. The consensus said no. In 1849, Semmelweiss demonstrated that sanitary techniques virtually eliminated puerperal fever in hospitals under his management. The consensus said he was a Jew, ignored him, and dismissed him from his post. There was in fact no agreement on puerperal fever until the start of the twentieth century. Thus the consensus took one hundred and twenty five years to arrive at the right conclusion despite the efforts of the prominent "skeptics" around the world, skeptics who were demeaned and ignored. And despite the constant ongoing deaths of women.

There is no shortage of other examples. In the 1920s in America, tens of thousands of people, mostly poor, were dying of a disease called pellagra. The consensus of scientists said it was infectious, and what was necessary was to find the "pellagra germ." The US government asked a brilliant young investigator, Dr. Joseph Goldberger, to find the cause. Goldberger concluded that diet was the crucial factor. The consensus remained wedded to the germ theory. Goldberger demonstrated that he could induce the disease through diet. He demonstrated that the disease was not infectious by injecting the blood of a pellagra patient into himself, and his assistant. They and other volunteers swabbed their noses with swabs from pellagra patients, and swallowed capsules containing scabs from pellagra rashes in what were called "Goldberger's filth parties." Nobody contracted pellagra. The consensus continued to disagree with him. There was, in addition, a social factor-southern States disliked the idea of poor diet as the cause, because it meant that social reform was required. They continued to deny it until the 1920s. Result-despite a twentieth century epidemic, the consensus took years to see the light.

Probably every schoolchild notices that South America and Africa seem to fit together rather snugly, and Alfred Wegener proposed, in 1912, that the continents had in fact drifted apart. The consensus sneered at continental drift for fifty years. The theory was most vigorously denied by the great names of geology-until 1961, when it began to seem as if the sea floors were spreading. The result: it took the consensus fifty years to acknowledge what any schoolchild sees.

And shall we go on? The examples can be multiplied endlessly. Jenner and smallpox, Pasteur and germ theory. Saccharine, margarine, repressed memory, fiber and colon cancer, hormone replacement therapy? The list of consensus errors goes on and on.

Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.

But back to our main subject.

What I have been suggesting to you is that nuclear winter was a meaningless formula, tricked out with bad science, for policy ends. It was political from the beginning, promoted in a well-orchestrated media campaign that had to be planned weeks or months in advance.

Further evidence of the political nature of the whole project can be found in the response to criticism. Although Richard Feynman was characteristically blunt, saying, "I really don't think these guys know what they're talking about," other prominent scientists were noticeably reticent. Freeman Dyson was quoted as saying "It's an absolutely atrocious piece of science but?who wants to be accused of being in favor of nuclear war?" And Victor Weisskopf said, "The science is terrible but---perhaps the psychology is good." The nuclear winter team followed up the publication of such comments with letters to the editors denying that these statements were ever made, though the scientists since then have subsequently confirmed their views.

At the time, there was a concerted desire on the part of lots of people to avoid nuclear war. If nuclear winter looked awful, why investigate too closely? Who wanted to disagree? Only people like Edward Teller, the "father of the H bomb."

Teller said, "While it is generally recognized that details are still uncertain and deserve much more study, Dr. Sagan nevertheless has taken the position that the whole scenario is so robust that there can be little doubt about its main conclusions." Yet for most people, the fact that nuclear winter was a scenario riddled with uncertainties did not seem to be relevant.

I say it is hugely relevant. Once you abandon strict adherence to what science tells us, once you start arranging the truth in a press conference, then anything is possible. In one context, maybe you will get some mobilization against nuclear war. But in another context, you get Lysenkoism. In another, you get Nazi euthanasia. The danger is always there, if you subvert science to political ends.

That is why it is so important for the future of science that the line between what science can say with certainty, and what it cannot, be drawn clearly-and defended.

What happened to Nuclear Winter? As the media glare faded, its robust scenario appeared less persuasive; John Maddox, editor of Nature, repeatedly criticized its claims; within a year, Stephen Schneider, one of the leading figures in the climate model, began to speak of "nuclear autumn." It just didn't have the same ring.

A final media embarrassment came in 1991, when Carl Sagan predicted on Nightline that Kuwaiti oil fires would produce a nuclear winter effect, causing a "year without a summer," and endangering crops around the world. Sagan stressed this outcome was so likely that "it should affect the war plans." None of it happened.

What, then, can we say were the lessons of Nuclear Winter? I believe the lesson was that with a catchy name, a strong policy position and an aggressive media campaign, nobody will dare to criticize the science, and in short order, a terminally weak thesis will be established as fact. After that, any criticism becomes beside the point. The war is already over without a shot being fired. That was the lesson, and we had a textbook application soon afterward, with second hand smoke.

In 1993, the EPA announced that second-hand smoke was "responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths each year in nonsmoking adults," and that it " impairs the respiratory health of hundreds of thousands of people." In a 1994 pamphlet the EPA said that the eleven studies it based its decision on were not by themselves conclusive, and that they collectively assigned second-hand smoke a risk factor of 1.19. (For reference, a risk factor below 3.0 is too small for action by the EPA. or for publication in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example.) Furthermore, since there was no statistical association at the 95% coinfidence limits, the EPA lowered the limit to 90%. They then classified second hand smoke as a Group A Carcinogen.

This was openly fraudulent science, but it formed the basis for bans on smoking in restaurants, offices, and airports. California banned public smoking in 1995. Soon, no claim was too extreme. By 1998, the Christian Science Monitor was saying that "Second-hand smoke is the nation's third-leading preventable cause of death." The American Cancer Society announced that 53,000 people died each year of second-hand smoke. The evidence for this claim is nonexistent.

In 1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA had acted improperly, had "committed to a conclusion before research had begun", and had "disregarded information and made findings on selective information." The reaction of Carol Browner, head of the EPA was: "We stand by our science?.there's wide agreement. The American people certainly recognize that exposure to second hand smoke brings?a whole host of health problems." Again, note how the claim of consensus trumps science. In this case, it isn't even a consensus of scientists that Browner evokes! It's the consensus of the American people.

Meanwhile, ever-larger studies failed to confirm any association. A large, seven-country WHO study in 1998 found no association. Nor have well-controlled subsequent studies, to my knowledge. Yet we now read, for example, that second hand smoke is a cause of breast cancer. At this point you can say pretty much anything you want about second-hand smoke.

As with nuclear winter, bad science is used to promote what most people would consider good policy. I certainly think it is. I don't want people smoking around me. So who will speak out against banning second-hand smoke? Nobody, and if you do, you'll be branded a shill of RJ Reynolds. A big tobacco flunky. But the truth is that we now have a social policy supported by the grossest of superstitions. And we've given the EPA a bad lesson in how to behave in the future. We've told them that cheating is the way to succeed.

As the twentieth century drew to a close, the connection between hard scientific fact and public policy became increasingly elastic. In part this was possible because of the complacency of the scientific profession; in part because of the lack of good science education among the public; in part, because of the rise of specialized advocacy groups which have been enormously effective in getting publicity and shaping policy; and in great part because of the decline of the media as an independent assessor of fact. The deterioration of the American media is dire loss for our country. When distinguished institutions like the New York Times can no longer differentiate between factual content and editorial opinion, but rather mix both freely on their front page, then who will hold anyone to a higher standard?

And so, in this elastic anything-goes world where science-or non-science-is the hand maiden of questionable public policy, we arrive at last at global warming. It is not my purpose here to rehash the details of this most magnificent of the demons haunting the world. I would just remind you of the now-familiar pattern by which these things are established. Evidentiary uncertainties are glossed over in the unseemly rush for an overarching policy, and for grants to support the policy by delivering findings that are desired by the patron. Next, the isolation of those scientists who won't get with the program, and the characterization of those scientists as outsiders and "skeptics" in quotation marks-suspect individuals with suspect motives, industry flunkies, reactionaries, or simply anti-environmental nutcases. In short order, debate ends, even though prominent scientists are uncomfortable about how things are being done.

When did "skeptic" become a dirty word in science? When did a skeptic require quotation marks around it?

To an outsider, the most significant innovation in the global warming controversy is the overt reliance that is being placed on models. Back in the days of nuclear winter, computer models were invoked to add weight to a conclusion: "These results are derived with the help of a computer model." But now large-scale computer models are seen as generating data in themselves. No longer are models judged by how well they reproduce data from the real world-increasingly, models provide the data. As if they were themselves a reality. And indeed they are, when we are projecting forward. There can be no observational data about the year 2100. There are only model runs.

This fascination with computer models is something I understand very well. Richard Feynmann called it a disease. I fear he is right. Because only if you spend a lot of time looking at a computer screen can you arrive at the complex point where the global warming debate now stands.

Nobody believes a weather prediction twelve hours ahead. Now we're asked to believe a prediction that goes out 100 years into the future? And make financial investments based on that prediction? Has everybody lost their minds?

Stepping back, I have to say the arrogance of the modelmakers is breathtaking. There have been, in every century, scientists who say they know it all. Since climate may be a chaotic system-no one is sure-these predictions are inherently doubtful, to be polite. But more to the point, even if the models get the science spot-on, they can never get the sociology. To predict anything about the world a hundred years from now is simply absurd.

Look: If I was selling stock in a company that I told you would be profitable in 2100, would you buy it? Or would you think the idea was so crazy that it must be a scam?

Let's think back to people in 1900 in, say, New York. If they worried about people in 2000, what would they worry about? Probably: Where would people get enough horses? And what would they do about all the horseshit? Horse pollution was bad in 1900, think how much worse it would be a century later, with so many more people riding horses?

But of course, within a few years, nobody rode horses except for sport. And in 2000, France was getting 80% its power from an energy source that was unknown in 1900. Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and Japan were getting more than 30% from this source, unknown in 1900. Remember, people in 1900 didn't know what an atom was. They didn't know its structure. They also didn't know what a radio was, or an airport, or a movie, or a television, or a computer, or a cell phone, or a jet, an antibiotic, a rocket, a satellite, an MRI, ICU, IUD, IBM, IRA, ERA, EEG, EPA, IRS, DOD, PCP, HTML, internet. interferon, instant replay, remote sensing, remote control, speed dialing, gene therapy, gene splicing, genes, spot welding, heat-seeking, bipolar, prozac, leotards, lap dancing, email, tape recorder, CDs, airbags, plastic explosive, plastic, robots, cars, liposuction, transduction, superconduction, dish antennas, step aerobics, smoothies, twelve-step, ultrasound, nylon, rayon, teflon, fiber optics, carpal tunnel, laser surgery, laparoscopy, corneal transplant, kidney transplant, AIDS? None of this would have meant anything to a person in the year 1900. They wouldn't know what you are talking about.

Now. You tell me you can predict the world of 2100. Tell me it's even worth thinking about. Our models just carry the present into the future.

They're bound to be wrong. Everybody who gives a moment's thought knows it.

I remind you that in the lifetime of most scientists now living, we have already had an example of dire predictions set aside by new technology. I refer to the green revolution. In 1960, Paul Ehrlich said, "The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s the world will undergoe famines-hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death." Ten years later, he predicted four billion people would die during the 1980s, including 65 million Americans. The mass starvation that was predicted never occurred, and it now seems it isn't ever going to happen. Nor is the population explosion going to reach the numbers predicted even ten years ago. In 1990, climate modelers anticipated a world population of 11 billion by 2100. Today, some people think the correct number will be 7 billion and falling. But nobody knows for sure.

But it is impossible to ignore how closely the history of global warming fits on the previous template for nuclear winter. Just as the earliest studies of nuclear winter stated that the uncertainties were so great that probabilites could never be known, so, too the first pronouncements on global warming argued strong limits on what could be determined with certainty about climate change. The 1995 IPCC draft report said, "Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced." It also said, "No study to date has positively attributed all or part of observed climate changes to anthropogenic causes." Those statements were removed, and in their place appeared: "The balance of evidence suggests a discernable human influence on climate."

What is clear, however, is that on this issue, science and policy have become inextricably mixed to the point where it will be difficult, if not impossible, to separate them out. It is possible for an outside observer to ask serious questions about the conduct of investigations into global warming, such as whether we are taking appropriate steps to improve the quality of our observational data records, whether we are systematically obtaining the information that will clarify existing uncertainties, whether we have any organized disinterested mechanism to direct research in this contentious area.

The answer to all these questions is no. We don't.

In trying to think about how these questions can be resolved, it occurs to me that in the progression from SETI to nuclear winter to second hand smoke to global warming, we have one clear message, and that is that we can expect more and more problems of public policy dealing with technical issues in the future-problems of ever greater seriousness, where people care passionately on all sides.

And at the moment we have no mechanism to get good answers. So I will propose one.

Just as we have established a tradition of double-blinded research to determine drug efficacy, we must institute double-blinded research in other policy areas as well. Certainly the increased use of computer models, such as GCMs, cries out for the separation of those who make the models from those who verify them. The fact is that the present structure of science is entrepeneurial, with individual investigative teams vying for funding from organizations which all too often have a clear stake in the outcome of the research-or appear to, which may be just as bad. This is not healthy for science.

Sooner or later, we must form an independent research institute in this country. It must be funded by industry, by government, and by private philanthropy, both individuals and trusts. The money must be pooled, so that investigators do not know who is paying them. The institute must fund more than one team to do research in a particular area, and the verification of results will be a foregone requirement: teams will know their results will be checked by other groups. In many cases, those who decide how to gather the data will not gather it, and those who gather the data will not analyze it. If we were to address the land temperature records with such rigor, we would be well on our way to an understanding of exactly how much faith we can place in global warming, and therefore what seriousness we must address this.

I believe that as we come to the end of this litany, some of you may be saying, well what is the big deal, really. So we made a few mistakes. So a few scientists have overstated their cases and have egg on their faces. So what.

Well, I'll tell you.

In recent years, much has been said about the post modernist claims about science to the effect that science is just another form of raw power, tricked out in special claims for truth-seeking and objectivity that really have no basis in fact. Science, we are told, is no better than any other undertaking. These ideas anger many scientists, and they anger me. But recent events have made me wonder if they are correct. We can take as an example the scientific reception accorded a Danish statistician, Bjorn Lomborg, who wrote a book called The Skeptical Environmentalist.

The scientific community responded in a way that can only be described as disgraceful. In professional literature, it was complained he had no standing because he was not an earth scientist. His publisher, Cambridge University Press, was attacked with cries that the editor should be fired, and that all right-thinking scientists should shun the press. The past president of the AAAS wondered aloud how Cambridge could have ever "published a book that so clearly could never have passed peer review." )But of course the manuscript did pass peer review by three earth scientists on both sides of the Atlantic, and all recommended publication.) But what are scientists doing attacking a press? Is this the new McCarthyism-coming from scientists?

Worst of all was the behavior of the Scientific American, which seemed intent on proving the post-modernist point that it was all about power, not facts. The Scientific American attacked Lomborg for eleven pages, yet only came up with nine factual errors despite their assertion that the book was "rife with careless mistakes." It was a poor display featuring vicious ad hominem attacks, including comparing him to a Holocust denier. The issue was captioned: "Science defends itself against the Skeptical Environmentalist." Really. Science has to defend itself? Is this what we have come to?

When Lomborg asked for space to rebut his critics, he was given only a page and a half. When he said it wasn't enough, he put the critics' essays on his web page and answered them in detail. Scientific American threatened copyright infringement and made him take the pages down.

Further attacks since have made it clear what is going on. Lomborg is charged with heresy. That's why none of his critics needs to substantiate their attacks in any detail. That's why the facts don't matter. That's why they can attack him in the most vicious personal terms. He's a heretic.

Of course, any scientist can be charged as Galileo was charged. I just never thought I'd see the Scientific American in the role of mother church.

Is this what science has become? I hope not. But it is what it will become, unless there is a concerted effort by leading scientists to aggresively separate science from policy. The late Philip Handler, former president of the National Academy of Sciences, said that "Scientists best serve public policy by living within the ethics of science, not those of politics. If the scientific community will not unfrock the charlatans, the public will not discern the difference-science and the nation will suffer." Personally, I don't worry about the nation. But I do worry about science.

Thank you very much.

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Well, the gullible, naive, uninformed, brain-dead and corrupt have tried to blame everything under the sun on man made global warming.

First time I've seen this.

Mental illness rise linked to climate Erik Jensen Health
August 29, 2011.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/mental-illness-rise-linked-to-climate-20110828-1jger.html

Let me be the first here to suggest there is a correlation between mental health and man made global warming.

Those who still believe in this fairy tale should schedule an appointment with their shrink.

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OMFG!

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Getting desperate!

So now, Algore says there's a moral imperative in accepting the fairy tale of man made global warming.

Further, if you're not on board with Algore and the fraudulent collection of faux scientists...then, you're the equivalent of a 20th century "racist"

Al Gore Compares Climate Change Skeptics To 20th Century Racists
videoby Josh Feldman | 4:38 pm, August 28th, 2011

Al Gore pushed the rhetorical envelope yesterday when he compared skeptics of climate change to racists during the Civil Rights Movement. Gore was sitting down for an interview with Alex Bogusky of the Climate Reality Project, and suggested that young people today whose parents do not believe in climate change are asking the same questions now that race-conscious young people in the 60s asked their parents.

Gore explains:

“There came a time when racist comments would come up in the course of the conversation and in years past they were just natural. Then there came a time when people would say, ‘Hey, man why do you talk that way, I mean that is wrong. I don’t go for that so don’t talk that way around me. I just don’t believe that.’ That happened in millions of conversations and slowly the conversation was won.”

In some circles, according to Gore, just using the words “climate change” is considered taboo, as was the case with Southerners bringing up racism. The interviewer suggested the comparison may not be quite accurate, considering the scientific evidence available for global warming. However, Gore suggested that there is a moral component that both arguments share.

Later in the interview, Gore addressed comments made by Rick Perry about climate change, and saw his remarks as part of “an organized effort to attack the reputation of the scientific community as a whole.”

“It’s not in [scientists'] nature to get ready to constantly defend themselves against political attacks. That’s not want they expected to be doing in their lives.”

Watch the video below, courtesy of Ustream:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/al-gore-compares-climate-change-skeptics-to-20th-century-racists/

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So, here's the result produced by those who are in the tank for man made global warming.

O'Bomber has thrown billions of US taxpayer money at so called green energy companies. Most of those companies have gone bankrupt, ceased business operations or moved business operations to other countries...like China, for instance. American taxpayers are stuck with the bills which produced nothing of benefit whatsoever.

In one of the more recent examples, O'Bomber loaned $535,000,000...that's five hundred thirty five MILLION...more than half a BILLION dollars of stimulus money to a solar energy company called..Solyndra.

Solyndra declared bankruptcy and during proceedings, other investors...among whom was a very large O'Bomber contributor..got to take first position in the disbursment of company assets after bankruptcy was discharged.

That means the entire $535 million in taxpayer funds is lost...but O'Bomber's campaign contributor gets to recoup some of his losses.

This is the kind of crony capitalism Sarah Palin is ripping both political parties for. It's PAY to PLAY. I'll contribute to your election/reelection and you shovel government money my way.

In the case of Solyndra, the Bush administration refused to grant the government loan(s) that O'Bomber jumped all over. Solyndra's business model didn't pass muster with the Bush administration.

Solyndra is but one example of what happens when political, scientific and commercial fairy tales are blended with leftist ideology.

Disaster soon follows. So, the O'BomberStimulus was supposed to create jobs in America. Instead, it's creating jobs in China. Solyndra had 1100 American employees. Those 1100 Solyndra employess are now unemployed.

Only in the leftistland of Barack O'Bomber and his Socialist pals in Congress can a product be made for $6 and sold for $3.

Bush Admin. Voted AGAINST Solyndra Loan
September 14, 2011

The White House noted to ABC News that the Bush administration was the first to consider Solyndra's application and that some executives at the company have a history of donating to Republicans.

The results of the Congressional probe shared Tuesday with ABC News show that less than two weeks before President Bush left office, on January 9, 2009, the Energy Department's credit committee had voted against offering a loan commitment to Solyndra.

Even after Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, analysts in the Energy Department and in the Office of Management and Budget were repeatedly questioning the wisdom of the loan. In one exchange, an Energy official wrote of "a major outstanding issue" -- namely, that Solyndra's numbers showed it would run out of cash in September 2011.

There was also concern about the high-risk nature of the project. Internally, the Office of Management and Budget wrote that "the risk rating for the project sponsor [Solyndra] … seems high." Outside analysts had warned for months that the company might not be a sound investment.

Peter Lynch, a New York-based solar energy analyst, told ABC News it took only a cursory glance through Solyndra's prospectus to see there was a problem with their numbers.

"It's very difficult to perceive a company with a model that says, well, I can build something for six dollars and sell it for three dollars," Lynch said. "Those numbers don't generally work. You don't want to lose three dollars for every unit you make."
http://nation.foxnews.com/solyndra/2011/09/14/bush-admin-voted-against-solyndra-loan

But, O'Bomber went ahead anyway and cost US taxpayers $535 million on this one project alone. This was the O'Bomber "green energy" showcase project he was bragging about just about a year ago!

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Nobel Laureate Resigns Over Global Warming Dogma
The word "incontrovertible" is not often used by true scientists
by John Hayward
09/15/2011

Fox News reports the latest blow to the global-warming fraud:

Dr. Ivar Giaever, a former professor with Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the 1973 winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday, Sept. 13, from the premier physics society in disgust over its officially stated policy that "global warming is occurring."

The distinguished scientist has a long, slow fuse that has been burning for a while:

Giaever earned his Nobel for his experimental discoveries regarding tunneling phenomena in superconductors. He has since become a vocal dissenter from the alleged “consensus” regarding man-made climate fears, Climate Depot reported, noting that he was one of more than 100 co-signer of a 2009 letter to President Obama critical of his position on climate change.

Incidentally, Dr. Giaever’s research has produced important real-world applications. That separates him from the global-warming crowd, which is primarily interested in soaking up grant money in exchange for producing politically useful pseudo-science that helps statists grab power, at a substantial cost to their captive populations. From his profile at the Department of Energy’s website:

While working at GE Corporate Research and Development, Dr. Giaever and Dr. Charles R. Keese invented ECIS™ (Electric Cell-substrate Impedance Sensing), a technology, which studies, in real time, the activities of cells grown in tissue culture. … In 1991, as the potential applications of the ECIS technology became more apparent, Giaever and Keese formed Applied BioPhysics to develop, commercialize and market ECIS and other biophysical technologies.

Giaever is, however, no Hayek-loving proponent of economic liberty. He endorsed Obama’s disastrous brand of politically-controlled economics, supporting America’s Worst President during the 2008 elections by co-signing a letter critical of George Bush’s insufficient zeal for pouring federal money into science projects.

An excerpt from the letter:

We have watched Senator Obama​'s approach to these issues with admiration. We especially applaud his emphasis during the campaign on the power of science and technology to enhance our nation's competitiveness. In particular, we support the measures he plans to take -- through new initiatives in education and training, expanded research funding, an unbiased process for obtaining scientific advice, and an appropriate balance of basic and applied research -- to meet the nation's and the world's most urgent needs.

Well, sorry to break it to you, distinguished ladies and gentlemen of letters, but the scientific genius you supported for President flushed hundreds of billions of dollars into slush funds and “green energy” rat holes, with absolutely no satisfaction of “the nation’s and the world’s most urgent needs,” or enhancements to American “competitiveness.” After we finish prying Obama and his cronies away from the U.S. Treasury, I don’t imagine there will be much money floating around to fund your scientific endeavors for a while.

However gullible he might be in matters of politics, Dr. Giaever has had enough of the global warming con artists. The body of his resignation letter from the American Physical Society​ says, in full:

"Thank you for your letter inquiring about my membership. I did not renew it because I can not live with the statement below:

“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

“The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.”

In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible? The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period.

(Emphases in the original.) “Global warming” has always consisted of three related arguments: the temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere is rising; the effects of this increase are bad; and the increase is caused by human activity. Since too much evidence accumulated against the original version of this scam, only the really lazy con artists, like Al Gore​, still talk about “global warming.” The new term of art is “climate change,” in which the temperature is either rising, falling, or both, and even if it’s not entirely caused by human activity, draconian political force can be deployed to make the little people behave in ways that will reduce the amount of up, down, or sideways temperature change to manageable levels.

In other words: Grr! Sky gods angry! Do as priests of sky gods say or you will suffer!

The staggering amount of pure fraud exposed as the “climate change” scam unravels - from emails proving key scientists cooked the data, to phony “polar bear extinction” studies, and the debunking of the “hockey stick graph” hoax that was the centerpiece of the global warming movement for years – coupled with the amount of money that citizens are still being forced to spend on climate change religious edicts, is enough to easily qualify global warming as the crime of the century.

True believers are completely unmoved by all this evidence of fraud, which sounds odd until you consider how desperately they want to believe in a religion that portrays them as initiates into complex mysteries beyond the understanding of the grubby, formerly free people they become empowered to both loathe and control. A future under the firm control of an enlightened elite, ruling on behalf of an Earth goddess whose omnipresent beauty leaves them free to despise apostates with exhilarating passion, is well worth swallowing a few massaged data tables and cooked-up hockey stick graphs.

Maybe some of those true believers will pause to ask the very simple and entirely rational questions posed by Dr. Ivar Giaever, who is not unsympathetic to their politics, but merely insists on the correct use of the word “incontrovertible.” Politicized science, on the scale envisioned by the global warming priesthood, is all about transforming theories into bludgeons of false certainty. You can’t squeeze billions of dollars out of unwilling people with words like “maybe” and “possibly.”

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46212

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posted September 15, 2011 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ivar sums it up nicely. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the irrationality behind man-made climate change. Even the average American can see through the farce now. That house of cards is falling.

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posted December 08, 2011 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep..."That house of cards is falling."

Let the laughter begin!

Senator Inhofe Dances On the Climate Change Grave
A farewell to alarms
by John Hayward
12/07/2011

The United Nations is holding a “climate change” conference in Durban, even as the last shreds of credibility are being sandblasted away from the climate change movement by the latest ClimateGate emails. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-OK), who attended a previous climate change summit as a skeptic, decided to send a video message to Durban, in which he gets in their faces and taunts them.

It’s one of the coolest things that ever happened, if you’ll pardon the pun.

“I am making this announcement from Washington, D.C.,” Inhofe tells the munchkins of Durban, “where I am confident that the only person left talking about global warming is me.”

Noting that the Obama Administration has not much troubled itself with the Durban conference, Inhofe concludes, “The message from Washington to the U.N. delegates in South Africa this week could not be any clearer: you are being ignored. And you are being ignored by your biggest allies in the United States: President Obama and the Democratic leadership in the Senate.”

Emphasis mine, but hell, the whole transcript should be in boldface. Enjoy!

Besides offering an entertaining touchdown shuffle upon the defeated forces of global warming alarmism, Inhofe provides a valuable service by reminding us that this movement is not merely mistaken, but corrupt. It was the Crime of the Century, heisting billions of dollars and vast power of peoples’ lives through fraudulent junk science. It was sustained through propaganda aimed at children, and injected throughout popular culture in a manner that has absolutely nothing to do with scientists presenting the carefully verified results of a rational inquiry.

And it wasn’t just a bit of cooked data offered up by rent-seeking scientists – if only that were the extent of the crime! Instead, global warming theocracy merged perfectly with power-hungry socialism, providing the perfect endless crisis to justify limitless power. It wasn’t a response to a problem that was occurring right now, although the lowbrow rabble-rousers of the Church of Global Warming were not above cherry-picking weather headlines to keep the masses good and frightened. Global warming was an imposition of ultimate control – from which, by definition, absolutely no dissent could be permitted – based on a prediction. It was mass-produced, elegantly packaged fear.

The genius of this power grab is that its assertions could not be “falsified,” because they had not happened yet. Hesitate to obey the Church of Global Warming, and you doom the Earth! Never mind what you’re seeing outside your window – that’s just a false moment of grace before the world-boiling doom that your skepticism will visit upon us all! Stop asking why the world’s worst polluters are not required to participate in our growth-destroying programs – the priesthood assures you that only what America does is important! Do not wonder how your car and air conditioner could be affecting the climate more than mighty volcanoes, or the activity of the Sun – small deeds of Man will accumulate into apocalyptic doom!

Global warming became the State religion of a nation that isn’t supposed to have a State religion, because it was sold through pop culture as a crisis so huge that any hesitation to comply with draconian measures to prevent it would present an intolerable risk of doom. (Incidentally, isn’t it funny how the word “draconian” is always used to describe reductions in the size of government, but never to describe the severe restrictions in growth and technology demanded by the climate change con artists?) Cleaning up the damage from the Crime of the Century will also be a cultural enterprise. Laughing at them is a good start.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47996&s=rcmp

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posted December 09, 2011 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The frauds, hucksters and con artists at the UN really are insane!

UN Calls For Eco-Fascist World Government At Durban Summit
“International Climate Court of Justice” would force western nations to pay “climate debt”
Paul Joseph Watson
Friday, December 9, 2011

Bureaucrats at the UN Climate Summit in Durban have outlined plans for the most draconian, harebrained and madcap climate change treaty ever produced, under which the west would be mandated to respect “the rights of Mother Earth” by paying a “climate debt” which would act as a slush fund for bankrolling an all-powerful world government.
Even as the tattered shreds of whatever credibility global warming alarmists had left evaporate in the aftermath of Climategate 2.0, the monstrous bureaucracy behind ManBearPig continues to lurch forward.

Lord Christopher Monckton’s extensive report breaks down the key aspects of the current draft text.

“Here – and, as always, you heard it here first, for the mainstream media have conspired to keep secret the Madness of King Rajendra and his entire coterie of governmental and bureaucratic lunatics worldwide – is what the dribbling, twitching thrones and dominions, principalities and powers of the world will be asked to agree to,” he writes, adding that actual climate science has not been a topic of debate at the summit.

- The treaty calls for the west to achieve a 50% CO2 emissions reduction within the next eight years, a feat that would completely bankrupt the global economy and spark a new great depression, as well as a “more than 100%” reduction by 2050, which presumably could only be accomplished by killing billions of humans to prevent them from exhaling carbon dioxide.

“So, no motor cars, no coal-fired or gas-fired power stations, no aircraft, no trains. Back to the Stone Age, but without even the right to light a carbon-emitting fire in your caves,” writes Monckton.

- The text calls for a 2 degree Celsius drop in global temperatures, which as Monckton points out “would kill hundreds of millions” and herald a new ice age.

- The reduction in CO2 concentration the text calls for would actually begin to kill all plant life and trees on the planet because they need levels of carbon dioxide above 210 ppmv to survive.

- All military forces would be abolished because they contribute to climate change. Presumably the United Nations would then take on the role of world army to police the globe.

- The process will be enforced by an “International Climate Court of Justice” under a bureaucracy of world government that will force western nations to pay “climate debt,” as well as reparations to third world nations to pay for carbon cuts that wouldn’t be as drastic. The burden of “historical responsibility” has been applied to industrialized nations, implying they are guilty for whatever the weather decides to do and must be punished for it.

- All the money will be collected by the UN and whatever is left after they have taken their considerable cut will be doled out according to the wishes of UN bureaucrats. “As a senior UN diplomat told me last year, “The UN exists for only one purpose: to get more money. That, and that alone, is the reason why it takes such an interest in climate change,” writes Monckton.

- Environmental enforcement arms of the UN will be given the power of a global government in the name of fighting climate change. “The draft “agrees that common principles, modalities and procedures as well as the coordinating and oversight functions of the UNFCCC are needed” – in short, global centralization of political, economic and environmental power in the manicured hands of the Convention’s near-invisible but all-powerful secretariat. No provision is made for the democratic election of key members of the all-powerful secretariat – in effect, a world government –by the peoples of our planet,” writes Monckton.

- This world government will mandate that western nations submit reports every two years on their progress and then implement the measures demanded by the world government.

- The UN will create several new slush funds from which to enrich its coffers, including a tax on shipping and aviation fuel, a new “green climate fund” and a worldwide cap and trade. Most of the costs will be handed down to taxpayers.

This merely scratches the surface of what the UN is trying to include in its “legally-binding treaty,” which represents eco-fascism on steroids. Despite press reports that the text is once again likely to be rejected, Monckton points out that UN bureaucrats are confident they can get some form of deal rammed through on this occasion.
http://www.infowars.com/un-calls-for-eco-fascist-world-government-at-durban-summit/

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posted January 28, 2012 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
16 scientists: ‘no compelling scientific argument’ for ‘drastic actions on global warming’
By Caroline May
01/27/12

Sixteen scientists took to the pages of the Wall Street Journal Friday to argue that there is “no compelling scientific argument” for “drastic actions on global warming.”

According to the group, made up of scientists from around the world, while there has been a concerted campaign to incite concern and action to stop climate change, the science is not coming together in a fashion that would warrant economy-stifling changes.

“The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause,” they wrote. “Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.”

In these scientists’ opinion, Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant, but rather a key necessity for life — spurring the growth of plant life.

The group further condemned the climate of fear that has acted to trample dissenting view points of the “global warming is a crisis” message.

“Although the number of publicly dissenting scientists is growing, many young scientists furtively say that while they also have serious doubts about the global-warming message, they are afraid to speak up for fear of not being promoted—or worse,” they wrote.

So why is the scientific community so intent on stoking fear over global warming, when the science is not jibing with their conclusions? According to the Wall Street Journal Sixteen, it all boils down to money.

“Alarmism over climate is of great benefit to many, providing government funding for academic research and a reason for government bureaucracies to grow,” they wrote. “Alarmism also offers an excuse for governments to raise taxes, taxpayer-funded subsidies for businesses that understand how to work the political system, and a lure for big donations to charitable foundations promising to save the planet. Lysenko and his team lived very well, and they fiercely defended their dogma and the privileges it brought them.”

The scientists conclude by urging candidates for public office to buck the trend and look at global warming claims with a skeptical eye.

“There is no compelling scientific argument for drastic action to “decarbonize” the world’s economy,” they wrote. “Even if one accepts the inflated climate forecasts of the IPCC, aggressive greenhouse-gas control policies are not justified economically.”

The article was signed by Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris; J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting; Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University; Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences; William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton; Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.; William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University; Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences; Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem; Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service; Antonino Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/27/16-scientists-declare-no-compelling-scientific-argument-for-drastic-actions-on-global-warming/

These 16 scientists are in addition to the 31,000 American scientists who have already signed a petition saying man made global warming is a crock of crap!

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