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AcousticGod
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posted August 24, 2012 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have to agree in total. To make the statement true would require that no model ever got anything right, and that is inaccurate.

It's a red herring type argument, because it distracts the person reading from understanding that despite any uncertainty in the science, there is still legitimate cause for concern. You can't be too hasty in throwing the baby out with the bath water.

A few years ago they noticed that sea level rise has occurred faster than models predicted. Sure, you could say that the model got it wrong, but it seems like deniers want to make the predictions out as less conservative when, in this case, they were more conservative than what bore out.

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posted August 24, 2012 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sea levels haven't risen.

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posted August 24, 2012 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

The uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story, writes Christopher Booker.

Christopher Booker
6:25PM GMT 28 Mar 2009
If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.

Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".

When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.

One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".

When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.

•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him – morner@pog.nu – to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

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posted August 24, 2012 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. Taking one guy's word over several scientific entities...doesn't sound like the way to go. May I refer you to some "sea level specialists" with long term water level stations? http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml

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posted August 24, 2012 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are a lot more than just one guy. I posted one just to show that someone with a lot of credibility and credentials is saying this (expert in his field for 35 years). Here's a journal article:

Scientists Discover That Actual Sea Levels Are Doing Opposite of IPCC Model Predictions
Read here. Globally, scientists with solid empirical-based backgrounds are saying there are severe problems with many of the 2007 IPCC predictions. Namely, that many of the predictions are flat-out false based on the IPCC's political agenda, or wildly inflated by failed climate models.

New research by Houston and Dean has determined that the IPCC prediction of dangerously high acceleration of sea levels is likely both a combination of invalid climate models and desired political outcomes. They discovered that actual tidal gauge measurements over the last 80 years shows sea level increases decelerating, not accelerating per the IPCC prediction.

"Working with the complete monthly-averaged records of 57 U.S. tide gauges archived in the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level data base that had lengths of 60-156 years (with a mean time span of 82 years), however, they determined that there had not been any acceleration in the rate-of-rise of the sea level along the shorelines of the United States over that period of time, during which interval the world's climate alarmists claim the planet had warmed at a rate and to a level that were unprecedented over the past one to two millennia. Quite to the contrary, in fact, they detected a slight deceleration of -0.0014 mm/year/year. And working with 25 of the tide gauge records that contained data for the period 1930-2010, they calculated an even larger deceleration of -0.0130 mm/year/year.....also report that they "obtained similar decelerations using worldwide-gauge records.....they rhetorically ask why the concomitant worldwide-temperature increase "has not produced acceleration of global sea level over the past 100 years," and, indeed, "why global sea level has possibly decelerated for at least the last 80 years."" [Houston, J.R. and Dean, R.G. 2011: Journal of Coastal Research] http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/

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posted August 26, 2012 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's always fluff over substance with you acoustic. You're way out in the weeds in left field again...arguing on the fringes...as usual.

The high priests of your religion..Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Jim Hansen have destroyed their scientific credentials, standing and careers by fraud, manipulating data and unscientific processes.

And here you are whining about 1..you say 1 scientist who opposes your viewpoint but you forget there's 31,000 American scientists who say your man made global warming religion is a total crock of crap. Not only do they say so but they're on record as saying so.

You and the High Priests like to pontificate and say there's a consensus on the subject of global warming...and there is.

But that consensus cuts against your religion. The consensus says man made global warm is a fraud, a hoax, a con, fabricated by a bunch of loony-tunes who couldn't find their own a$ses with both hands and a search light.

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