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jwhop
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posted February 17, 2010 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Shocking what happens when politicians govern against the will, wishes and interests of their bosses isn't it?

More shocking is the source of this poll. One would think it came straight from the lair of what leftists would call an organ of the homophobic, fundamentalist right wing Nazi Fascist set. But, it came from a news network so far left it's been called variously....The Clinton News Network and The Communist News Network and is a source almost no person interested in good government/Constitutional government would ever bother to go. Conservatives don't go there. There's nothing there of any value to be found.

There is a lesson for Marxist Socialist Progressives to learn from this poll.

Those whom Marxist Socialist Progressives have counted on as the "useful idiots" of Socialism have awakened and now refuse to drink the O'Bomber Kool-Aid.

According to the poll, 44% of poll respondents are still drinking the O'Bomber Kool-Aid swill and believe O'Bomber deserves a 2nd term.

One thing is clear.

No president in American history has destroyed his brand so early in his administration.

There is a war going on in the Democrat Party. It's not a war between Democrats and Republicans.

It's a war between Liberal and Conservative Democrats against the far left radicals of the Marxist Socialist Progressive set who have been flying under a false flag going all the way back to the end of the administration of Woodrow Wilson when these radicals were forced to go underground and hide behind the mask of Liberalism.

O'Bombers Marxist Socialist Progressive agenda has been stopped in Congress by Liberal and Conservative Democrats.

The proof this is true lies in the fact Democrats have a large majority in the House of Representatives and could pass ANY legislative bill AND...until a few weeks ago, Democrats had a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate which could rubber stamp the O'Bomber agenda at will.

Republicans could not stop them.

Democrats of his own party stopped the O'Bomber Marxist Socialist Progressive agenda.

O'Bomber has decided to "Rule" by Executive Order and bypass the Congress of the United States.

As time goes on, look for more sleep walking Democrats to wake up and oppose O'Bomber's Marxist Socialist Progressive agenda...but this is a good start.

CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012
By Michael O'Brien - 02/16/10 01:35 PM ET


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deser ve-reelection-

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posted February 17, 2010 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
I could care a less about polls. In 2004 Over 50% thought W. should get the boot too.

But the filibuster proof majority?


Republicans used the filibuster 112 times in the 110th Congress. The filibuster was used 54 times in the 109th Congress.

In fact the GOP has abused the privilege sooo many times an amendment is in the works.

The Grand OLD ones have embarrassed themselves to no small degree. Infighting has ramped up, and will continue to escalate.

The Dems are wimps true, conservatives are just plain meaner.

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posted February 17, 2010 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
With 60 demoscat Senate members, demoscats had a fillibuster proof majority....and could have passed/rubberstamped O'Bomber's radical leftist Marxist Socialist Progressive agenda.

O'Bomber's radical agenda was NOT stopped by Republicans who could not stop his agenda...but it was stopped by Democrats.

Your argument lacks reason and rationality.

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posted February 17, 2010 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop the leftists are mad because he is not socialist ENOUGH, not because he is TOO socialist. you should try listening to some of the guys on the other side once in awhile. tends to be a real eye-opener.

the blacks are mad because he is too white. the whites are mad because he is too black. the conservatives think he's too liberal. the liberals think he's too centrist. and a lot of us think he really hasn't changed a thing, which is not what we voted for.

but if sarah palin runs against him i for one will vote for him again!!

he is just getting started. what you see in all this disapproval is merely people being disappointed in their lives, the economy, the whole shebang. goldman sachs got bailed out but is it going to return the favour and give greece the slack it needs to not go under? or is THEIR plan to pull the rug out from under europe and go in for the kill there?

it's nothing really to do with policies and everything to do with POLITICKING which people are ****** off at.

as for executive orders the last administration used them as a preferred means of bypassing congress as i recall.

the mess this country is in was already here when obama got here. people who expected everything to go into reverse and then high gear within one year were being JUST A MITE OVEROPTIMISTIC.

but perhaps its all good? like people starting to realize that it is down to "we the people" to work it out and not the president?

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posted February 17, 2010 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Great points, Node and katatonic!
I love how you keep jhop in line.

There is so much discord in this country
(What the hell do you expect with an almost exact Sun-Eris opposition in the Right Ascension) that I was very skeptical of change overnight, but I would never vote for McCain which would be 4 more years of Bush's policies. I felt that Obama promised too much and was too idealistic for the realities that are here in USA with so much division along ideological lines.

There is no way in hell that I'd vote for Sarah Palin.


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posted February 17, 2010 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Your argument lacks reason and rationality.

Your whole opening editorial lacks reason and rationality. It's silly to the point of being preposterous.

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posted February 17, 2010 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
CNN is actually pretty conservative, though much more moderate than FOX. They've repeatedly defended Bush, the War in Iraq (and refused to show the grisly scenes other news stations have that turned many supporters of the war against it), have trashed Michael Moore without mercy (not that I think he deserved any), and trashed the Democrats for vote tampering over a vote about illegal aliens (though it should be noted Bush was one of the few Republicans who voted with the Democrats on that one). Oh, yes, they also did a report I loved where they trashed the paper that printed the names & addresses of everyone with a carry permit (thus allowing stalkers to find their exes in hiding, etc).

Offhand, the only blatant example of being "Leftist" I can think of is that Dobbs was told he couldn't criticize Obama the same way he criticized Bush. And there are plenty of nonpolitical reasons to have done that, too (not that any of the other reasons I can think of make CNN's decision excusable for doing that).

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posted February 17, 2010 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
That's true. CNN is one of the most balanced if not THE most balanced all news networks. You don't get hosts railroading, talking over, or otherwise trying to silence the Republicans, whom they're supposed to be against. When there are tough questions to be asked they're levied equally at Democrats as Republicans. I've noticed that in business establishments that have the news on the tv for their patrons, it's usually tuned to CNN.

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posted February 17, 2010 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

so If I want to watch Political News, CNN is the network to watch?

I definitely don't care for FOX seems too damned biased towards Conservative Politics


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posted February 17, 2010 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Well, you can try out any of them. I'm just saying that when I've watched CNN, they've seemed to be the most respectful of both sides.

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posted February 18, 2010 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
CNN has many flaws, though I wouldn't call it Leftist. But as far as American sources go (which don't really give have good ones, at least not in the mainstream), it's pretty decent. Which is more to say it's not so bad compared to the rest rather than to say it's a good source of info, politics, and news.

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posted February 18, 2010 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I am a very liberal person (no...I am not a Marxist Socialist like some people generalize about liberals like somebody I know), but I want to watch a News Network that is neutral.

I like to know what goes on.

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posted February 18, 2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think there is a news network in the USA that's neutral anymore. Actually, probably not outside the USA either, but at least they're more likely to be neutral about what goes on in the USA.

Interesting enough, USA news were guessing wrong about what the government was going to do once while the Japanese news said outright what our government was going to do and they were right.

Also interesting is that I find a great many people from countries like Romania know more about our country and how it works, both in theory & actuality, than many Americans do. I wonder if their news has anything to do with that.

But anyway, I'd suggest going to your local library and seeing what news mags they have. Back when I was much more into political news, I'd go to the library and look at Rolling Stone (moderate liberal, but some well done articles), Mother Jones (outright Leftist, but also well done), Reason (libertarian, but would surprise many how they'd go after corporations, too), and National Review (moderate conservative who got rid of Ann Coulter--but I've noticed they've gotten crazier since Obama has been elected, and also got rid of their staff who actually wrote articles praising Obama).

All these magazines have their flaws, and it's also important to pay attention to the specific authors because I noticed some were rational and some were just spouting propaganda and pushing an agenda even at the expense of the facts, and this applies to EVERY magazine I just listed.

But I recall like once how I read an article about Charter schools in both Reason and Mother Jones. Both focused on what they liked and favored their political position while sparing only a few paragraphs on the parts that didn't back their own view well (and Reason loves them, Mother Jones hates them). In this case, what Reason only devoted a few paragraphs to was fully explained in the Mother Jones and vice versa, so after I read both articles I felt I had a pretty good understanding on their pros & cons. Note that in this case the 2 articles didn't actually contradict each other, they simply focused on different aspects of the subject, creating a tunnel vision when taken by itself and not balanced by other articles that took a different view.

Anyway, I'd also check the papers, Newsweek, and the like while at the library, too, but to a lesser extent. I'd check out zines and the like, too, at alternative places (which can be leftist, right wing, new age, even anarchist in PoV).

Short and sweet: don't restrict yourself to one source. If you want to be informed you have to work at it, because virtually everyone out there who make it convenient for you to turn to them for your information has an agenda in conflict with keeping you fully informed, especially from a neutral PoV.

ETA: Btw, since you're liberal, I offer this to you:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=100

I'm not 100% endorsing that, but they put out some good stuff. Check out their "What's wrong with the news."

Another one (though this one occasionally points out stories that embarrass liberals, too, and almost certainly will in the near future now that Democrats have such an advantage in power):
http://www.projectcensored.org/

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posted February 18, 2010 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
'Short and sweet: don't restrict yourself to one source'

very good advice!! yet far too many people listen only to what they want to hear or those who want to tell them what to think.

but really, if you read toilet paper what do you think you will get? pearls of wisdom or turds?

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posted February 24, 2010 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Obama is F**KED

and so is America.


He appeals to no side anymore.. he's going to go down as the worst President in US History and yet, it's all so damn clever because he has everyone focused on HIM whilst the NWO is put into place behind the scenes!!!!.

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well if it weren't for the screaming meemies shouting socialist etc people might be able to see the real issues a bit better.

it would have been far better to put in a singlepayer system and not make so much fuss about his supposed leftist issues than to scream about all the wrong things.

anyway it doesn't make much difference in the 5th d does it?

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posted February 28, 2010 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
O'Bomber is a Socialist. What's wrong with telling the truth katatonic?

In fact, O'Bomber is marching in lockstep with the Communist Party USA...which approves his every policy...as well as the Democratic Socialists of America.

Some nice stories about the Socialist Single Payer health systems lately.

British patients lying in their own waste for weeks. Relatives told to clean the bedding and clothing. And, of course, the withholding of medical treatments and drugs which sentences them to death...after they've paid into the NHS all their lives. Very nice.

Then, there's the story of a Canadian Premier whose physician strongly suggested he go to the United States for his heart surgery. A very wise move. The Socialist Single Payer health system is a killer.

Thanks, but no Socialist health care system for America.

Canadian Premier comes to US for heart surgery
6:00 am February 10, 2010,
by Bob Barr

http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/02/10/canadian-premier-comes-to-us-for-he art-surgery/

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posted March 09, 2010 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
It's hardly worthy of argument that demoscats have a huge majority in the House and could pass any legislation they desire.

It's beyond reason to suggest the Senate where demoscats had a 60 vote filibuster proof majority could not have passed any legislation over the objection of the Republican minority..

It's a brain dead argument to moan about Republican obstruction when Republicans couldn't stop anything demoscats wanted to do.

O'Bomber's problems are problems with the demoscat congressional majority who won't get together and pass his nonsense Socialist agenda and have nothing to do with Republicans.

Only lame-brained know nothings would argue otherwise.

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well sir if the democrats were the republicans your argument might make sense. but 1) there are more of them and 2) apparently they are not subject to the herd instinct like the republicans. shock! horror! democrats are not all agreed on responding to everything in unison! they have actual differences of opinion LIKE FREE PEOPLE!

read the little RNC document posted recently? and the true reason the propagandists want you to think obama is a socialist despite the overwhelming evidence that once again wall street, the insurance companies and the military are getting the handouts at a time when the middle class is sinking fast?

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posted March 09, 2010 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
You seem to be "Math Challenged" katatonic...or...you simply don't know what is necessary to pass legislation in the Congress of the United States...OR...both.

Given the facts, your argument is so much blithering, blathering, bloviating nonsense.

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posted March 10, 2010 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to hear you tell us more specifically about the handouts the military is getting, please, katatonic.

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posted March 11, 2010 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
nothing to get worked up about eleanore. i am not talking about handouts to actual soldiers! that would be fair, especially when they come home unable to adjust to civilian life and find no job to go to....

i simply mean that we are spending far too much (and borrowing most of it which means interest to be paid too) on waging wars. we are broke already. shall we just make it permanent by bleeding the country dry?

the money that has been sucked out to pay for iraq and afghanistan would certainly be put to good use here at home. and the money that is about to go to insurance companies would pay for a lot of people's actual medical expenses.

but i guess there is NOTHING new about govt spending being back-to-front and upside down in logic.

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well it will get passed, with or without the republican's support, BUT rather than a nice clean bill that does the job due to all the stalling and bickering it is going to be a seriously botched job. happy?

as to the communists approving of obama, i suspect not, but i don't know them...he appears to be allowing the big money corps and insurance companies to twist his arm and take over ever more of our government too. that is not socialism.

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Ohio: Bush 50, Obama 42

From Tom Jensen at Public Policy Polling on Tuesday: “We’ll start rolling out our Ohio poll results tomorrow but there’s one finding on the poll that pretty much sums it up: by a 50-42 margin voters there say they’d rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.”

In 2008, Barack Obama rolled over John McCain 2,940,044 to 2,677,820.

Using Surber Math, that’s a 262,224-vote margin.

What happened?

The unknown became the known.

Prince Charming turned out to be a frog.

Imagine that.

Unemployment rose by more than 3 percentage points in Ohio, topping 10% and staying there.

From Jennifer Rubin: “This tells us several things. First, Obama's juvenile buck-passing hasn't and won't work. The election game plan of threatening the return of Bush isn't going to fly. Heck, the voters wouldn't mind having him back! Second, Obama has, to a degree we have not seen in recent years, shied away from acknowledging error. His account¯was always that Bush had messed things up far worse than we even imagined. Now with Bush-bashing proven to be entirely counterproductive, what will Obama do to deflect blame? And finally, you have to keep faith with the American people. They may get impatient and lose perspective, but they remain exceedingly fair and possess a large reservoir of common sense (e.g., a mosque at Ground Zero is absurd, Bush was a decent man who made tough calls, we shouldn't dump on loyal allies). It is good to be reminded of that.”

Meanwhile, Obama could elect the first Republican senator from West Virginia in 52 years.

Long way to November 2.

62 days to be exact.
http://dailymail.com/blog.html

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posted September 02, 2010 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message

CRIMES AGAINST LIBERTY
An Indictment of President Barack Obama


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38810

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