posted May 10, 2010 01:13 AM         

You've got the identity crisis with all things government.
I hate government....I want lower taxes! NO government involvement in healthcare....but LEAVE MY MEDICAID ALONE.

I want to be safe and not have terrorism where i live, but meanwhile all airlines are privately owned and don't have to check the flyover lists if they don't feel like it.

Oh, and meanwhile, I'm wondering why terrorism is even a problem while my country is invading a couple of countries where some Muslim extremists thrive

What do you think this will do to a country? Don't you think it will trickle into every decision which is attempted?

You've got the far left which has bleeding heart syndrome and waffles and the far right which *smirk* prides itself on being the part of HELL NO.

HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION WITH THE DEGREE OF INEPTITUDE THAT IS CONSTANTLY SHOWING ITS FACE.

I have extended family here from Europe, my stepfather's family from the Netherlands that came into the country by being sponsored on a work visa, and that expired about 8 years ago. In those 8 years they have not applied for citizenship and have racked up so many bills from the emergency room and for healthcare. BUT they are adamant about not going back to a socialist country since they feel it's not fair to carry the jobless and the lazy. Fair enough but they are doing the same thing HERE in the US. And they just love the new Arizona law. Don't tell me these people aren't racist hypocrites.
Just.
Don't.

posted May 10, 2010 05:57 AM         

You do need documents to travel to Mexico and Canada. And if you want to LIVE there, the process is far more involved.

If traveling to Mexico over land, you will need a passport starting June 1, 2009 -- or you can use a cheaper PASS card).

Other acceptable identification includes:

•Trusted Traveler Cards (NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST)
•State Issued Enhanced Driver's License (when available)
•Enhanced Tribal Cards (when available)
•U.S. Military Identification with Military Travel Orders
•U.S. Merchant Mariner Document when traveling in conjunction with official maritime business
•Native American Tribal Photo Identification Card
•Form I-872 American Indian Card
http://studenttravel.about.com/od/mexicostudenttravel/f/border_mexico.htm

And a link to Canada's requirements, though you did point out the laws are new.
http://gocanada.about.com/od/canadatravelplanner/qt/valid_travel_ID.htm

Realistically, you can't ASSUME that you know what's going to happen in the majority of police encounters. Personal biases against law enforcement do not count as a valid, logical argument for or against their ability to perform their job.

It is certainly relevant to suggest that someone who does not speak english is an immigrant. Then the remaining question is, are they a legal immigrant or not? If they're here legally, there is NO ISSUE. No one has hauled either of my hispanic parents off for not speaking the language "well enough" but then they're here LEGALLY.

For your last point, so people's perceptions of the US makes it okay to ignore our laws? Because I have a lot of negative perceptions about human rights violations in alot of foreign countries but I don't think the argument will fly that I don't have to respect their laws if I'm there. The problem is not what the US is doing so much as it is the anger and resentment people have for our successes.

Yes, the country is divided. It's become a political playing ground and damn the people. I feel very sorry for people suffering all over the world but (1) either the US is an arsehole country that deserves to be hated and if so, why does anyone want to come here OR (2) the countries causing these people to flee for their lives need to deal with their own crap instead of expecting us to foot the bill for their failures.

posted May 10, 2010 10:11 AM         

Yep, we actually believe other nations...and their nationals should observe US borders...and US laws.

Hey, how barbaric are Americans to insist those here illegally not protest America in our streets, not wrap themselves in foreign flags while they tell America and Americans...what we must do...in our own country.

How barbaric are Americans when we react to organizations like La Raza...which means..THE RACE...when they insist they are going to flood the American south west with illegal aliens to whom we must extend US citizenship...so they can become the majority...and vote to secede from the United States and cede the American south west back to Mexico.

Yep, we Americans are barbarians. We don't even like the thrust of this video from a professor at UCLA who is urging revolution by Latinos in the United States.
http://current.com/news/92422246_ucla-professor-calls-for-mexican-revolut ion-in-the-united-states.htm

We barbarians in the United States...citizens of the United States..can't understand why anyone would want to come to this viper's pit called America. However, since there are so many who are here and who don't like the United States or US policies and constantly attempt to tell us what we must do...and must not do..we assume they don't know the way to the US borders to make their escape.

Here, let me assist all those inclined to dislike the United States...and barbaric Americans.

With this map, you can find the US borders from where ever you are in the United States. You can even get driving directions to the border to make your escape.
http://www.mapquest.com/

posted May 11, 2010 09:15 AM         

I'm in favor of adopting for America..Mexican laws, rules and conduct in dealing with their illegal aliens coming up from and across their southern border.

posted May 11, 2010 11:20 AM         

and i know i need to take my passport if i want to go to either canada or mexico now, as they do if they want to come here. it's not the LAW that is in need of rewriting.

i am not saying we shouldn't have laws..i am saying WE ALREADY DO. it's ALREADY ILLEGAL TO BE HERE WITHOUT PAPERS, let alone work here without papers.

if you're asking if i think we should copy the mexicans, who are quite happy to throw people in jail and forget about them or any thing resembling their human rights, NO. i think WE should CONTINUE to respect people's human rights AND we should make sure the border is defended as best as possible.

we already have document requirements to cross the border. we already have the laws in place to turn undocumented foreigners over to the INS and there they will sit in OUR prisons costing US money - often for a very long time. on the other hand there are quite a lot of LEGAL immigrants sitting there with them because of a technicality even though they were placed there wrongly in the first instance.

do you know that 95% of immigration lawyers demand their fees up front because it is so unlikely that a case against the INS will win? they're not cheap either. once in that system you can rest assured you will be there for a good while.

posted May 11, 2010 12:43 PM         

Australia seems to have stricter immigrant requirements than USA. I actually wanted to migrate to Australia back in 1995. I even wrote to the consulate. After reading the requirements, I gave up.

I was actually against illegal immigrants driver's licenses in California. I thought Arnold doing away with that was a good thing.

I am a liberal, but I am no way near a Far Left Marxist Socialist even though I don't share traditional American values.

I am multicultural in almost every sense of the word except for language. I don't speak any other language besides English which I had difficulty learning any way. I have taken Spanish and French when I went to school, but I was never fluent with it. My auditory processing issues makes it hard for me to understand English at times, let alone foreign language.

any ways...I strongly believe in USA as a melting pot or even gumbo soup. I actually see it as more the latter.

The melting pot refers to a whole bunch of people mixing as one and so homogeneous. USA is a heterogenous country. There is a lot of diversity here.

Diversity is not the problem. Intolerance of diversity is the problem.

------------------
Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 14, 2010 10:04 AM         

Alas, it seems bloviating leftists would rather bloviate first than read first, then bloviate.

So, now we have the leftist bloviating Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, threatening to sue the state of Arizona over their new law regarding when and under what circumstances people in Arizona can be stopped and asked for their identification.

(NOTE: I've been asked for my identification/drivers license every time I've ever been stopped by police. How odd!)

Now, we have the admission by this leftist bloviator that he's never even read the Arizona law...over which he threatens to sue.

Leftists in government are more entertaining than the "Keystone Kops", and the "Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight", but the proper place for the "Keystone Kops" and the "Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight" is Hollywood; not the seat of the US Government in Washington DC.

May 13, 2010
Eric Holder accidentally tells the truth
G. Wesley Clark, MD

Attorney General Eric Holder testified, to the House Judiciary Committee, while nervously scratching his brow, that the decisions of the Justice Department "are done in a political way". Most likely, he meant to say "in an apolitical way", and tomorrow we shall be assured that he "mis-spoke" (in a Freudian way).

Holder further asserted that the decisions of "this Attorney General" are made without regard to politics, and that "... right or wrong, the decisions that I make are based on the facts, and on the law ...".

However, the part of the video clip that CNN left out, (***We're all suprised CNN left the following exchange out of their video clip...aren't we***), was where, as reported on FoxNews, Holder admitted that he has not yet read the Arizona law, which is only 10 pages long.

"I have not had a chance to -- I've glanced at it," Holder said at a House Judiciary Committee hearing when asked had he read the state law cracking down on illegal immigrants.

and

When asked by Rep.Ted Poe, R-Texas, how he could have constitutional concerns about a law he has not read, Holder said: "Well, what I've said is that I've not made up my mind. I've only made the comments that I've made on the basis of things that I've been able to glean by reading newspaper accounts, obviously, television, talking to people who are on the review panel...looking at the law."

Therefore, ignorance of the facts and the law, and acceptance of the hysterical political media yammering about profiling were the only basis for Holder's numerous criticisms, questioning the constitutionality of the statute, and of his threats to undertake federal legal action against enforcement of the law.

As the old saying goes, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" - unless you are the chief law enforcement official of the United States of America.

posted May 14, 2010 01:26 PM         

Are you attempting to say Fox News is lying about Eric Holder saying he hasn't read the Arizona Law?

Or

Are you attempting to say there was no conversation by Holder and a member of the US House about the Arizona Law?

Or

Are you attempting to say Eric Holder has read the Arizona Law and his threats of a federal lawsuit over the Arizona Law were issued after he conducted a thorough review of the Arizona Law?

posted May 14, 2010 02:04 PM         

what was that old slogan? "all the news that's fit to print" and the other one "all the news that fits" the difference is subtle but not opaque...

posted May 14, 2010 04:01 PM         

It is news when an Attorney General of the United States threatens to sue a state over a law he hasn't even read. The fact CNN edited out Holder's statement he hadn't read the law speaks volumes about the credibility of CNN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0UC6W_-zpQ

posted May 19, 2010 11:21 PM         

After ripping Arizona over the new law...and not a person in the administration who will admit to even having read the law....

the O'Bomber administration is asking students at a high school in Michigan a series of questions.

One of those questions is about their citizenship status.

to stupidity and hypocrisy.

"Seniors are being asked to provide their birthdates, Social Security numbers and citizen status to the Secret Service so background checks could be performed."
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/obama_may_personally_greet_eac. html

posted May 20, 2010 08:19 AM         

quote:

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First, this a standard form from the Secret Service. It wasn't Obama's call. I can vouch for the fact that reporters and photographers who cover a presidential visit also are required to provide info for Secret Service background checks, and that's been the case for the three decades that I've been a reporter.

Second, although the form asks whether the student is a citizen, it doesn't ask for the immigration status of noncitizens. K-Central Principal Von Washington Jr. said it's his understanding that the citizenship question was on there to explain why a student doesn't have a Social Security number.

Moreover, students are not being asked to show their "papers" nor is there any sense that their immigration status is being examined.

Actually, the school enrollment form that students fill out every fall also asks the yes/no question of whether a student is a citizen. I don't know why this form is considered so controversial.

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posted May 22, 2010 08:33 AM         

I do give a rat's ass about federal officials...including O'Bomber violating their oaths of office to faithfully execute the laws of the United States...AND protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Time for O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress to get off their fat as$es and close US borders to drug smugglers, human traffickers, terrorists and illegal aliens.

I do care about this blithering idiot warming his chair in the White House bloviating about the Arizona Law...which by the way, is less intrusive than the Federal law..while people are asked questions about their citizenship status...as a condition for having THE ONE...THE MESSIAH O'Bomber speak to them at a high school.

They should tell O'Bomber to stuff it. If O'Bomber doesn't want police who have stopped someone on a legitimate police issue asking those who have no drivers license, no green card, no passport or any other document authorizing their legal status to be in the United States, about their status...then O'Bomber and those who work for O'Bomber shouldn't be asking students enrolled in an American high school about their legal citizenship status.

posted May 25, 2010 08:02 AM         

Who knew that Kermit the Frog was this into politics. The campaign of Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) has put out a video that features a frog puppet -- that looks much like the famous Sesame Street character -- to help sell the state's controversial immigration law.

The frog encourages opponents to read the immigration law before criticizing it.

Some may scoff, but the law has boosted Brewer in the polls over her Democratic opponent, Terry Goddard.

posted May 25, 2010 08:23 AM         

O'Bomber should listen to Sarah Palin...who by the way, has had lots of jobs and has far more executive experience than O'Bomber.

Big Oil: Learning from Alaska’s Experience. Yesterday at 3:10pm
Sarah Palin

Many Americans want a serious discussion about what can be done to finally tackle the Gulf Coast oil spill. Unfortunately, yesterday White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs used his appearance on “Face the Nation” to deflect from the needed discussion about solutions as he suggested that I should “get slightly more informed as to what’s going on in and around oil drilling in this country.”

Mr. Gibbs’ comments were in response to something I said last weekend in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.” In the course of discussing the administration’s failure to get to grips with the oil spill, I pointed out that the media was rather silent on asking if there was a connection between the White House’s hands-off response to the spill and the undisputed fact that Barack Obama was BP’s top recipient of both PAC and individual money for the last 20 years. Please note that I never claimed there was a conspiratorial connection; rather, I was saying that it’s odd that so few in the media have asked that question. In fact, I believe Major Garrett is one of the few reporters to pursue the issue. You can be sure that if this were a Republican administration, at the very least the media would be asking that question nonstop.

As for getting “informed” about oil drilling: I’m confident that in the course of my chairmanship of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (AOGCC) and the U.S.’s Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission (IOGCC), and my work as governor of our nation’s huge oil producing state, I’ve learned enough to be able to say with some certainty that the White House’s response to this crisis leaves something to be desired. I also believe that the White House should spend all of its time finding solutions to the enormous oil gush problem.

The Obama administration claims that it “will not rest until we get this situation under control,” but in practice it’s evident that it must do more to stop a potential environmental disaster from happening. U.S. Coast Guard Commandant Thad Allen probably summed it up best when he described the Obama Administration’s approach to this crisis as “keeping a close watch” while BP is tackling the problem – at the company’s own pace.

While the Administration watches from the sidelines, the Gulf Coast states face some potential disaster. This raises serious questions. Should it really take nine whole days before the Administration asked the Department of Defense for help in deploying equipment needed for the extreme depth spill site? Why is Governor Jindal still waiting, 35 days later, for material needed to tackle the oil spill to protect the coast’s environment and for federal approval to build offshore sand barriers to protect his state’s coast line? Is it correct that the Coast Guard was initially unwilling to burn off the oil for fear of causing air pollution (which would have been far less harmful than the current water pollution)?

These questions all require answers. In the meantime, let me make a constructive suggestion to help the White House out of its current impasse. They should reach out to the best oil and gas team in the nation and tap into its expertise. I know just the team: Alaska’s Department of Natural Resources, led by Commissioner Tom Irwin. Having worked with Tom and his DNR team as Governor, I can vouch for their expertise and their integrity in dealing with Big Oil and overseeing its developments.

This team’s (and Alaska’s PSIO team’s) expertise on oil spill issues is particularly relevant. We all lived and worked through the Exxon oil spill, and we all committed to the principle that this would never happen again in Alaska’s waters, at least not on our watch. That’s why we created the Petroleum Systems Integrity Office (PSIO) when we saw proof of improper maintenance of oil infrastructure in our state. And that’s why we instituted new oversight and held BP and other oil companies financially accountable for poor maintenance practices. And that’s why we cracked down on unethical and unsound practices by oil companies and their contractors that operate in Alaska. And that’s why I filed a Friend-of-the-Court brief against Exxon’s interests for its decades-old responsibility to compensate victims adversely affected by the Exxon-Valdez oil spill. None of these actions made us popular with oil company management. (In fact, Commissioner Irwin received a message from a North Slope oil company employee that summed up their view of our efforts well: the message told him to “go to hell, but resign first.”) Our relationship with Big Oil may have been perceived as contentious because we always put the interests of Alaskans first.

The White House could do worse than emulate what Alaska did over the years. No, it doesn’t make you popular with Big Oil (my commissioners and I certainly learned that!), and you may see fewer campaign contributions flow your way – but so what? Dealing with the impacts of 35 days of uncontrolled oil flow into pristine waters is more than enough time for the White House to realize they need to tap into expertise, hold BP accountable, and not waste time politicking around such a grave situation.

Taking a tough stand to protect our environment while domestically drilling for much-needed energy sources is the only way the public can trust government and industry to safely work towards energy independence. We need to “Drill, baby, drill” responsibly, safely, and ethically. That’s the way Alaska’s DNR accomplishes its mission in America’s 49th state.

posted May 25, 2010 08:46 AM         

Can anyone imagine a high State Dept official apologizing to one of the worst human rights abusers in the world...Communist China...over a state in the United States passing a law to secure the Arizona border....in a Sarah Palin Administration?

Yet, that's exactly what has happened and continues to happen in the O'Bomber administration.

The O'Bomber administration is totally out of control. It's a fish rotting from the head down because O'Bomber has no executive experience and he's in water way, way, way over his head.

American Apology Tour Continues. Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 10:18am
Sarah Palin

On Fox News this morning, State Department Spokesman P.J. Crowley became the third Obama administration official in short succession to admit that he hadn’t actually bothered to read Arizona’s 10-page long “secure the border” bill before condemning it and criticizing Americans who support Arizona’s necessary efforts to do the job the Obama Administration should be doing. Crowley’s statement follows similar admissions from Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.

At first blush this revelation seemed unbelievable, but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. This now seems “the Washington way” of doing things. If the party in power tells us they have to pass bills in order to find out what’s actually in them, they can also criticize bills (and divide the country with ensuing rhetoric) without actually reading them.

Still I can’t help but feel outraged on behalf of Arizona’s citizens for the incompetence shown by these Administration officials. Arizonans have the courage to do what the Obama administration has failed to do in its first year and a half in office – namely secure our border and enforce our federal laws. And as a result, Arizonans have been subjected to a campaign of baseless accusations by the same people who freely admit they haven’t a clue about what they’re actually campaigning against.

The absolute low point of this campaign came last Friday, when a U.S. State Department delegation met with Chinese negotiators to discuss human rights. Apparently, our State Department felt it necessary to make their Chinese guests feel less bad about their own record of human rights abuses by repeatedly atoning for American “sins” – including, it seems, the Arizona immigration/pro-border security law. Asked if Arizona came up at all during the meeting, Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner answered:

“We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session, and as a troubling trend in our society and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination, and that these are issues very much being debated in our own society.”

Note that he said “We brought it up” – not the Chinese, but the U.S. State Department’s own delegation. Instead of grilling the Chinese about their appalling record on human rights, the State Department continued the unbelievable apology tour by raising “early and often” Arizona’s decision to secure our border.

Arizona’s law, which just mirrors the federal law, simply allows the police to ask those whom they have already stopped for some form of identification like a driver’s license. By what absurd stretch of the imagination is that the moral equivalent of China’s lack of freedoms, population controls (including forced abortions), censorship, and arbitrary detentions?

Surely our U.S. Ambassador to China, John Huntsman, must disagree with the Obama Administration’s continued apology tour? We have nothing to apologize for. If Administration officials want to apologize to anyone, apologize to the American people for the fact that after a year and a half in office, they still haven’t done anything to secure our borders, and they join our President in making false suggestions about Arizona’s effort.

- Sarah Palin

posted May 25, 2010 12:18 PM         

5.while i understand that an opportunist never lets a chance for self-aggrandizement go by, she would do better to offer her vast knowledge of how to deal with this FIRST TIME EVER incident if she has any instead of making political capital out of it.
6. the mccain/palin ticket received umpteen times more money from big oil than the obama campaign, so what IS she on about? 20 years in bed with the oil companies? he hasn't even been around that long.

as i said before, this does not look good on obama's administration. but it's easy to be on the outside criticizing in. when in power, mrs pee has less brilliant a record. she's a quitter and a bigmouth. THAT we know. she can't even manage her own underage children. yet she thinks she knows how to do other people's jobs better than they can.

add to that that miss "small govt" thinks the feds should have weighed in on this and considers herself more of an expert than all the people working on the scene and on finding a solution which will minimize the damage...the result= piffle.

yes she has had plenty of jobs and apparently had to change colleges more than once a year before she found one that would give her the credit she so deserves in her own eyes. that doesn't mean obama never had a job.

looking forward to levi johnston's book and the tale of secrecy and bailout plans our sarah had for bristol's baby.

posted May 25, 2010 02:48 PM         

AND katatonic, it's the news services and the O'Bomber administration officials who are referring to the the mess in the Gulf as an "oil spill".

Further katatonic, we know it was 9 days into the blowout and fire on the drilling platform before O'Bomber started talking about the problem.

After that, the O'Bomber administration is not taking any of the necessary steps to keep the oil off the Gulf Coast islands or mainline. Administration officials even refused one of the best procedures get rid of the oil....burning it off the surface with fire boom ships.

Governor Jindal has insisted the Army Engineers build a secondary sand barrier reef to prevent the oil from washing up onto the existing barrier islands and mainland. So far, zip, nada, zilch from the O'Bomber administration.

posted May 26, 2010 01:42 PM         

but once again you skirt the question of why "hands off" means "fix my problem" -

posted May 26, 2010 05:32 PM         

Burn the damned oil off the surface.

Sarah Palin has executive experience O'Bomber totally lacks.

Experts, real experts from all over earth would have been brought in to assess the situation and make recommendations on how to proceed.