posted April 26, 2010 09:25 AM         

Of course you haven't Timothy and that's the problem. You are clueless as to how things really work in in the private sector of the business world. Never having had a real job would qualify you for an entry level job in the private sector..business world, say "mail clerk" but, it disqualifies you for the position of Sec Treasury.

A bigger problem is that your boss Barack Hussein O'Bomber never had a real job either and neither have most of the Socialist clowns and theorists he's surrounded himself with in his administration.

The results of hiring and appointing those with no experience in the private sector..business, at a more than 90% hire rate is the chaos and uncertainty we now see in the private sector which produces the real jobs for Americans.

These "theorists" who never held a real job in their lives...jobs where people are judged...retained or fired...on the results they produce are responsible for blowing about 4 Trillion dollars of taxpayer money on TARP, the so called Stimulus bill, the utterly unworkable O'BomberCare bill and they're not finished yet.

These theorists also want to grab and nationalize the energy sector of the private economy which will skyrocket electric rates, gasoline prices, food prices and transportation costs for everything real people use in their day to day lives. Real people, those who have real jobs and are the productive members of society as opposed to the drone theorists who have never produced anything of value in their lives.

It's long past time to throw all these unproductive theorists...including O'Bomber out of government so they can get some experience in the real world making something of value to society.

posted April 26, 2010 05:28 PM         

it would be interesting to see a quick write up of their occupations before being president or cabinet members. but in general the english gentry and other creative men who made up our founding fathers were not in the habit of having "real jobs" either. some of them did..

posted April 27, 2010 08:26 AM         

I'll help you out by telling you Washington was a surveyor and that Washington and Jefferson ran large farms which produced food and other commodities for consumption by other citizens. Those are real jobs.

posted April 27, 2010 03:05 PM         

he was also a community organizer which I believe is why he gets labeled far left Marxist Socialist

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posted April 27, 2010 07:03 PM         

i think there might have been a little tongue in his cheek when he said that, don't you, if you were to be honest about using his own words to incriminate him?

posted April 28, 2010 08:14 AM         

I understand leftists are hostile to business and especially hostile to those who, unlike leftists have the drive, focus, guts and intellect to establish their own businesses and produce something of value for the societies in which they live.

posted April 28, 2010 10:49 AM         

in arizona they have just implemented the right for the police to stop and search anyone who MIGHT be an illegal alien. why, as in your wall street suggestions jwhop, don't they go after the LEGAL CITIZEN farmers etc who hire illegals??? did you know that while ENTRY without permission is illegal BEING HERE without official permission is not? while WORKING and HIRING illegals is against the law, presence in the country without a written permit is not.

"they came for the communists and i said nothing; they came for the jews and i said nothing; they came for the gypsies and i said nothing; and then they came for me, and there was no one left to say anything on my behalf..."

posted April 28, 2010 11:40 AM         

The Arizona law does not permit police to stop people at random and question them about their legal status to be in the United States.

That's the kind of bullshiiit spread by the George Soros leftist open borders crew...and members of the lame brained leftist press.

In fact, the new Arizona law mirrors the Federal law which is applied by the Border Patrol at checkpoints on main route roads and highways used by illegal aliens who have entered the United States.

Oh, I don't want anyone to come for the Communists and other Socialists. I just want someone to ferry them back to where ever they came from when we throw O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades out of Congress and the White House....soon.

posted April 28, 2010 06:39 PM         

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Anyone who believes..."community organizing", the intent of which is to stir up racial hostility, incite violence, incite the breaking of state and US laws, intimidate businesses and elected officials...IS..a "real job"..holds a viewpoint much closer to Hitler's Nazis and Brown Shirts than the viewpoint of mainstream America.

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posted April 28, 2010 11:39 PM         

In order for anyone to be asked to prove they are a US citizen or are in the US legally, they must first have been stopped for some other reason...traffic ticket...involved in a fight...involved in a burglary or some other incident which brings them into contact with Police. If they are unable to produce a drivers license, green card or other ID which would tend to identify them...THEN a police officer could reasonable inquire about their status having formed a reasonable suspicion they might be in the United States illegally. All resident aliens are required by federal law to have their green card on their person whenever they are out and about. All operators of motor vehicles are required to have their valid drivers license on their person or in the vehicle they are driving.

posted April 29, 2010 09:33 AM         

The citizens of Arizona support this new law at a 70% approval rate.

Across America, citizens support what Arizona has done at a 60% approval rate.

O'Bomber, Bush and both Houses of Congress are guilty of "Dereliction of Duty" and violation of their "Oaths of Office". With some exceptions, those in office, should be removed from office.

The number one job...and oath of office of the Prez and members of Congress is to..

Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I (insert name) do solemnly swear, that I will faithfully execute the office of (insert office) of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"

So, now we have foreign nationals challenging the sovereignty of the United States to establish and maintain the borders of the United States....AND leftists cheer.

Arizona...and soon Texas...move to regain their territorial sovereignty, identify those in the United States illegally AND leftists Boo.

I will not support any president or candidate or any Senator or House member or candidate for those offices who is so stupid or so corrupt they will not secure the borders of the United States and eject those in the United States illegally. Nor will I support any candidate for a national or state office who proposes to grant "Amnesty" to illegal aliens...in any form.

Let all foreign nationals who wish to come to the United States get in line, wait their turn...AND enter the United States LEGALLY, respecting the laws and sovereignty of the United States. Otherwise, stay the hell out of the United States.

Of course, I realize that "accidental Americans"...those who think of themselves as "citizens of the world" would screech, scream, whine, shriek and stamp their feet in impotent rage...that anyone would think of the United States as a "Sovereign Nation" with the right to establish, maintain and protect the borders of the United States.

posted April 29, 2010 09:51 AM         

I can't buy anything on base without showing my military ID and I haven't done anything wrong. Heck, I can't even go to my house if I've left the base without showing my ID to get on base first. But my being here is a privilege. Any Japanese police officer can ask me about my SOFA status if I'm off base for any reason, but especially if I'm doing something wrong. Why? Oh yeah, I'm not a Japanese citizen so I need PERMISSION to be here. I carry my ID with me at all times. I have nothing to hide.

You can't argue a point ONLY on the assumption of possible wrongdoings by the cops. There are standards prohibiting them from simply questioning someone's citizenship for no reason. Is there a proven history of corruption by Arizona police?

The problem is not that people will be profiled. The problem is that people will now be caught and deported. Anyone who has a problem with immigration laws that require permission to be in the US (or all the other countries that require it in the world) needs to address the larger issue. And, at the core, the issue is that people are fleeing from hell in their home countries. Instead of pretending America should be the saviour of the world, and accept and foot the bill for everyone else's problems, how about we demand that those countries be responsible for their own problems and deal with their own crap so we don't have to be overloaded by people fleeing in the first place?

posted April 29, 2010 11:59 AM         

2. eleanore, you are talking about military property which is generally under different regulations than civilian territory. i am glad you don't mind the regulations, and given the nature of military sites extra security IS WARRANTED there. but soldiers sign up for that kind of life.

3. it's not about racial profiling. that goes on already. a birth certificate does not prove anything since it shows no picture, fingerprint or ANYTHING that would identify an adult. easily stolen or forged.

4. already in arizona natives and hispanics are treated to some pretty heavy-handed treatment by the authorities.

5. this law makes stop and search legal. the officer only needs to say he has "reason to suspect" the person of being an illegal alien

6. once more i say, why not go the already obvious way and prosecute the slave-renters who hire illegal aliens? because deporting them just leaves a gap for the next batch to work on his farm or whatever the enterprise is.

7. yes it is true the feds are not doing a good enough job of securing the borders. never mind that it is now illegal to cross those bordeers either direction without a passport.

8. this situation arises with every new bunch of immigrants. ever see the gangs of new york? the natives may have resented the irish because they priced themselves lower and worked harder than any other more assimilated group - including blacks - but they were VALUABLE AS CANNON FODDER because the civil war was going on! so admit them we did, and most of the men first had to go to fight before they got to live anywhere at all.

9. this is going to hurt arizona financially in a myriad of ways. tourists who don't want to go where they might be harassed LEGALLY. california is talking about boycotting az, not my idea, but it's on the table...etc

posted April 29, 2010 12:21 PM         

This is simply not true and it's not found in federal or state law...including the new Arizona law.

There must be probable cause to stop anyone and that probable cause cannot be based on race, gender, ethnicity or color of skin.

Those citing this nonsense would do well to read the Arizona law...which mirrors federal law as it applies to this subject.

If it's not racism, not illegal, not immoral and not fattening for the Border Patrol to set up checkpoints to check immigration status...then, it sure as hell isn't when Arizona police stop someone for an actual infraction of the law, become suspicious when they can't produce a valid drivers license, valid green card, can't speak English, etc...and decide to question them about their immigration status.

posted April 29, 2010 01:45 PM         

did you read the new law then? http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

[edit: an officer is allowed to claim under this bill that he observed a person making a gesture or nod that indicated he was available for work, and presumably his own discretion as to whether that person is doing so illegally. kind of like the "swerve" justification i describe below]

probable cause and suspicion of wrongdoing are easily enough provided by any "peace" officer who wants to stop you. if in a car "you swerved" is a favoured one in cali...whether you did or not....and whether you did because they were tailgating you or not!! once they have stopped you they can often come up with OTHER reasons to search your vehicle or person. are we going to pretend this doesn't go on in a state riddled with immigrants and hyped up about it?

posted April 29, 2010 02:29 PM         

of course the bill doesn't come out and say, stop anyone who looks native/hispanic for no reason at all. it does say that a verbal or NONVERBAL NOD OR GESTURE indicating a willingness to work is enough cause for them to be interrogated. that is pretty wide open to interpretation don't you think?

posted April 29, 2010 03:36 PM         

Phoenix, Arizona is the kidnap capital of the United States and 2nd only to Mexico City in the entire world.

Arizona citizens are fed up with the destruction of their private property, the cost of medical care and education for illegal aliens but most of all, Arizona citizens are fed up with the crime illegal aliens bring to their state and they've done something about it.

The fact immigration is a federal issue cuts no ice. The feds have given up any jurisdiction they had over immigration by failing to carry out their oaths of office and their dereliction of the duty they had to citizens of border states.

demoscats think this is going to be a wedge issue in the fall elections. It is going to be an issue and the American people are lining up against demoscats on the issue of illegal immigration.

Further, last I heard 8 states are considering the very same legislation passed by Arizona and signed into law by the Governor. I understand Ohio is one of those states.

If demoscats thought they were going to pass an Amnesty Bill for illegal aliens to secure their vote in the fall elections, they're even more brain dead than I imagined.

If the RINOs, enablers and facilitators of leftist causes in the Republican Party believe they can get away with voting for Amnesty for illegal aliens, we're already quite prepared to boot their sorry a$$es out of office in the coming primary races.