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Dee
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posted April 27, 2010 11:52 PM
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28 IP: Logged |
Node
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posted April 28, 2010 12:05 AM
And your point is.......?He is not a practitioner. What is salacious -or- controversial - if that is the intent for posting it here of a leader respecting others faith? Which I find refreshing.
And that slice and dice vid footage is old news and old video. So whats the point other than to get our resident birthers salivating? IP: Logged |
Dee
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posted April 28, 2010 01:10 AM
It was sent to me in an email. and if it was old news i never saw it before. i find it frightening IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 01:48 AM
It's not like USA is a Christian nation any way. I am definitely not a Christian. I am a member of an interfaith unity church. It's a multi-faith nation. People of many religions,spiritual faiths are here. President and other political officials can be of any religion,religious faith.
If Barack Obama was a muslim, I'd still vote for him. I don't care what religion he is. All I care about is that he's tolerant of others' religious beliefs.
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posted April 28, 2010 08:08 AM
Dee I am more worried about the intolerance of people who make those sort of vids. They are the ones that scare me.I am not clicking on it again to check, but the vid had close to 2 Mil views? and was posted in '08. The components are old. Most of it was shown on cable news shows over time, and spliced together. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 09:54 AM
"It's not like USA is a Christian nation any way....Glaucus"That's bunk from the "Bunkster O'Bomber". Americans self identify themselves as "Christians" at an 83% clip. The fact the Founders of the United States didn't institutionalize Christianity as the State Religion and actually forbade the "establishment of a state religion" and went further and said Congress shall not make laws forbidding the free exercise of religion....is a testament to their enlightenmentnt and honor.
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katatonic
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posted April 28, 2010 10:30 AM
freedom of religion is one of the "tenets" of america that draws people to it. it is only since kennedy that anyone who was not a PROTESTANT has ever been elected president. his catholicism was a major point of contention for many during his campaign. that he won was almost as amazing as obama winning with his brown face.but things are changing. brown faces will be more and more the norm here as elsewhere around the world. some people think that is a bad thing and will do anything to prevent the inevitable. others welcome it. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 11:21 AM
"Americans self identify themselves as "Christians" at an 83% clip."so what??? I am not a Christian,and there are many other people in this country that aren't Christian either. That's doesn't mean that we are not Americans. USA is about freedom of religion, separating church from state.
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Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 11:21 AM
" Dee I am more worried about the intolerance of people who make those sort of vids. They are the ones that scare me"Same here! ------------------
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jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 11:28 AM
The "Bunkster O'Bomber" says America is not a Christian nation...but statistically only 17% of the population are not Christian.The "Bunkster O'Bomber" is wrong. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 12:01 PM
Just because most people in USA are Christian doesn't mean that USA is a Christian nation.It's a multifaith nation. Many religions,spiritual traditions are allowed to be practiced here in USA.
There is freedom of religion here.
Church and State are separate.
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jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 12:48 PM
The "Bunkster O'Bomber" is wrong.The people of America overwhelmingly say they're Christians....who just happen to believe in letting those of other faiths worship or not worship as they please. Since you believe the "Bunkster O'Bomber" that makes you wrong too. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 12:53 PM
"Since you believe the "Bunkster O'Bomber" that makes you wrong too."No,....I am not wrong The United States is officially a secular nation. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion and forbids the establishment of any religious governance.
I also believed that USA wasn't a Christian nation long before I even knew about Obama.
As a kid, I didn't believe USA was a Christian nation.
A majority of Christians doesn't make USA a Christian nation.
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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 28, 2010 01:50 PM
The US is a heavily Christian country. I am not saying the PEOPLE are (see, this is the problem), but the country itself and the government are.
I personally cannot stand ANY religious tones in government. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 02:26 PM
Yes Glaucus, you, like the "Bunkster O'Bomber" are wrong.It's the people in any nation which makes a nation whatever it is. In this case, the American people are overwhelmingly...Christian. The fact the Christian founders of the United States had the good sense and Christian instincts to leave others alone to determine their own relationship to God...or to deny any relationship speaks well of their "classical liberalism". The fact 83% of Americans find it right and proper to leave others alone to determine their own course in regards to religion speaks well of their Christian instincts as well. However, those Christian instincts do not extend to having their children propagandized and indoctrinated into aethist beliefs by teachers or other religious beliefs hostile to Christianity. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 02:45 PM
Saying that USA is a Christian nation because most people in USA are Christian,not considering other religions is like saying:it is a white nation because most people in USA are white,not considering other races it is a heterosexual nation because most people in USA are heterosexual,not considering homosexuals,bisexuals it is a neurotypical nation because most people in USA are neurotypical, not considering neurodivergents I think that we have to consider everybody and not just a majority of people. A majority of people doesn't equal nation.
Considering only the majority is the problem.
This is what keeps people from having certain rights whether it was women,blacks and other racial minorities, homosexuals.
USA is a secular nation. It has no official religion. No religion determines our laws.
The 1st Amendment.
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jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 04:41 PM
Sorry Glaucus, you, like the "Bunkster O'Bomber" are wrong.The overwhelming statistical margin of 83% Christians and 17% who are not...makes the United States a Christian nation. Oh, and please don't attempt to muddy the waters by bringing in irrelevant and meaningless side issues into the discussion. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 04:50 PM
I am not wrongUSA is a secular nation
First Amendment. They are not meaningless side issues. They are very meaningful. It has to do with equal rights,consideration for all people.
Don't be condescending and talk to me like I am stupid!
also Our president's name is Barack Obama. ------------------
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jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 05:43 PM
Sorry Glaucus, you, like the "Bunkster O'Bomber" are wrong.We have a "secular form of government" with guarantees of "religious freedom". 83% of Americans however, choose to be Christians and America is therefore a "Christian Nation". IP: Logged |
Node
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posted April 28, 2010 06:18 PM
MVM_> quote:
The US is a heavily Christian country. I am not saying the PEOPLE are (see, this is the problem), but the country itself and the government are.
I personally cannot stand ANY religious tones in government.
Excellent points.
And the official prayers given before the start of Session gives me the creeps. There is a chaplain for the House of Representatives-> http://chaplain.house.gov/ And we know why stem cell research was disallowed for 8 years. That sort of science is "gods" country.  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 28, 2010 06:36 PM
Jwhop, a secular form of government means we don't have a "Christian Nation." Duh.IP: Logged |
Dee
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posted April 28, 2010 06:48 PM
I don't like religious tones in government either.there should be a seperationIP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 28, 2010 06:51 PM
AG,exactly a majority doesn't make the nation Many minorities of all kinds in USA matter.
They have a voice too. Not just the majority of all kinds.
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jwhop
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posted April 28, 2010 11:24 PM
Duh, the secular form of government does not make the people of the United States secular or non Christian.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 29, 2010 01:58 AM
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It's the people in any nation which makes a nation whatever it is. In this case, the American people are overwhelmingly...Christian.
No, a nationalized religion would make this a "Christian" nation. It is no such thing. IP: Logged |
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