posted May 05, 2010 12:17 PM            

so when you make decisions on acoustic's behalf, you are not being socialist yourself?

where did you get elected to make his decisions for him?

you do the same thing for the people of america, apparently, who have NOT shown that they want this healthcare bill removed. in fact until the vote goes otherwise, they have voted FOR it by voting in the people who PROMISED healthcare reform.

personally i think the bill needs more tinkering to make it better. it has things in it that even obama did not want(he originally OPPOSED the idea of a mandate, remember?). several people in congress voted for it with amendment in mind. but they voted for it, as their constituents voted for them.

posted May 05, 2010 12:52 PM            

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There's no better mod currently, and I can do so without the title as I have throughout my time here....acoustic

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There's not a moderator on LindaLand who is not a better moderator than you would be. In addition, there's no shortage of other members here who would be a better moderator than you would be.

So, is this acoustic talking out of his South Node Cancer again OR is it simply acoustic talking out of his ass again?

Ancient wisdom:

posted May 05, 2010 12:58 PM            

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so when you make decisions on acoustic's behalf, you are not being socialist yourself?..katatonic

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katatonic,

posted May 05, 2010 01:37 PM            

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I'm not tooting my own horn..acoustic

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There's no better mod currently, and I can do so without the title as I have throughout my time here....acoustic

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Hahaha
This is an example of the precise reason a substantive discussion cannot be had with you acoustic.

posted May 05, 2010 02:03 PM            

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That's a statement of fact, Jwhop...aocustic

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God, what arrogance acoustic. You are a legend in your own mind.

I'll leave it to you to make your apologies to all the LindaLand moderators you've just insulted.

posted May 25, 2010 10:54 AM            

Support for repeal of the new national health care plan has jumped to its highest level ever. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 63% of U.S. voters now favor repeal of the plan passed by congressional Democrats and signed into law by President Obama in March.

Prior to today, weekly polling had shown support for repeal ranging from 54% to 58%.

posted May 25, 2010 11:06 AM            

Quick, someone remind me.

Obama's Nominee to Run Medicare: 'The Decision is Not Whether or Not We Will Ration Care--The Decision is Whether We Will Ration Care With Our Eyes Open'
Monday, May 24, 2010
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer

President Barack Obama’s nominee to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which runs Medicare, is a strong supporter of the government-run health care system in Britain, who said in a 2009 interview about Comparative Effectiveness Research: “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care--the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”

The $787-billion stimulus law signed by President Obama created a Federal Coordinating Coucil for Comparative Effectivieness research in health care that some critics argue was a step toward rationing of heatlh care in the United States.......
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/health_care_law

Gee, that's what I said a long time ago. Seems I was right and O'BomberCare supporters who argued with me were WRONG.

Now, we find O'Bomber has nominated a dyed in the wool proponent of medical executions whereby people would not be treated...as in Britain..but sent home to die or perhaps just have food, water and medicine withheld until they have the good grace to die. Oh, and under the Bill, there is no judicial or administrative law review of Death Panel decisions.

But, it's nice the Death Panel members would consign Americans to their graves...with their "eyes wide open".

posted May 26, 2010 11:55 AM            

Proof is now available that rationing is and always was part of O'BomberCare and that one of O'BomberCare's primary tenets IS rationing of health care for senior citizens.

Now, we have a huge proponent of health care rationing...appointed by O'Bomber to run Medicare. You know acoustic, 'The Decision is Not Whether or Not We Will Ration Care--The Decision is Whether We Will Ration Care With Our Eyes Open'

You don't have a leg..or an argument to stand on acoustic.

posted May 26, 2010 12:22 PM            

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The argument you made acoustic was that rationing of health care would only occur in an emergency situation if and when the system, O'BomberCare ran out of money.

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No, that's not what I said at all. That was a discussion regarding Dr. Emanuel, and his paper about medical ethics. That was regarding where to utilize medical resources when they're scarce. He opined that the most ethical way to use scarce medical supplies was on the people whose quality of life could most positively be affected.

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You don't have a leg..or an argument to stand on acoustic.

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I'm seldom -if ever- without an argument to stand on.

posted May 26, 2010 12:35 PM            

But acoustic, it's obvious to any 5th grader that if half a trillion dollars, $500,000,000,000, is taken out of the Medicare budget, rationing of health care is the only possible result.

You've gone on to make other totally unsupported and unsupportable arguments since then...including the absense of Death Panels in the legislation.

All of your arguments have proved to be wrong.

posted May 26, 2010 01:24 PM            

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But acoustic, it's obvious to any 5th grader that if half a trillion dollars, $500,000,000,000, is taken out of the Medicare budget, rationing of health care is the only possible result.

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This is logically unsupported on two levels. First, the number is in dispute. You never did relate where you got your figures from. Second, the money that's being taken out of Medicare is from expensive "Cadillac" plans that don't offer any better service.

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You've gone on to make other totally unsupported and unsupportable arguments since then...including the absense of Death Panels in the legislation.

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There aren't any "death panels" in the legislation. That has always been false, so I don't know why you'd even dare try to claim that's unsupported or unsupportable. That's just plain stupid, Jwhop.

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Btw, the polls say demoscats who supported O'BomberCare, the bailouts, TARP, buying GM and Chrysler, Card Check, Crap and Tax and the rest of the O'Bomber Socialist agenda...are going back to where they came from..in November.

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posted May 27, 2010 11:02 AM            

Of course taking half a trillion dollars out of Medicare would lead directly to rationing of health care for senior citizens.

Don't ever let anyone tell you that you're smarter than a 5th grader acoustic.

Of course, we have O'Bomber's Doctor Death Zeke Emanuel and his new Medicare agency nominee...another Doctor Death in line to make it all happen..."with our eyes wide open"..of course.

posted January 07, 2011 08:39 AM            

Then, because of all the heat on O'Bomber and his Socialist pal's as$es in Congress...the Death Panels were pulled out of the proposed O'BomberCare legislation before it was passed into law.

Then, in December...around Christmas..2010, one of O'Bomber's sleazy Doctor Death clowns reinserted Death Panels back into O'BomberCare...by administrative fiat....and demoscat proponents of Death Panels tried to hide the "new" regulation. But, the news got out.

Then, all hell broke loose again.

Then, the offensive provision was once again removed.

O'Bomber and the sleaze he's surrounded himself with simply can't be trusted.

Death Panel Resurrected
By Joy Tiz | Published: December 27, 2010
Joy Tiz

Sarah Palin was excoriated for making the entirely correct observation that when a government controls health care, rationing becomes inevitable. Democrats squealed like stuck pigs, but dropped the execrable end of life counseling language from ObamaCare.

Undeterred, Obama used a recess appointment to afflict us with Dr. Donald Berwick who is unabashed in his affection for the deeply dysfunctional British health care system. Comrade Berwick heads the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and his positions on government control over health care are pretty plain.

You cap your health care budget, and you make the political and economic choices you need to make to keep affordability within reach. On the matter of doctors who might be inclined to make decisions in the best interest of an individual patient, rather than the good of the collective:

Hence, those working in health care delivery may be faced with situations in which it seems that the best course is to manipulate the flawed system for the benefit of a specific patient or segment of the population, rather than to work to improve the delivery of care for all. Such manipulation produces more flaws, and the downward spiral continues.

On Christmas Day, the NYT revealed the resurrection of the death panel by way of the unelected bureaucrat. The new provision allows Medicare to pay for end of life counseling, asking patients about end of life treatment during their regular doctor visits.

It’s a short hop to pressuring patients to cooperate with their doctors in agreeing to opt out of all but the most meager palliative care.

The government can get a lot of people to sign away critical care simply by asking their insidious questions of young and healthy patients, who are much more likely to insist they don’t want to lie in a hospital bed with a bunch of tubes stuck in them.

The new head of the Euthanasia Department is especially partial to the British National Health Services use of algorithms to determine whether senior citizens are worthy of treatment.

After the great hue and cry caused by Palin’s outing of the death panel provision in ObamaCare, Democrats naturally would have preferred to keep this new incarnation of government mandated extermination under wraps. Democrat Earl Blumenauer of Oregon:

While we are very happy with the result, we won’t be shouting it from the rooftops, because we aren’t out of the woods yet. This regulation could be modified or reversed, especially if Republican leaders try to use this small provision to perpetuate the ‘death panel’ myth… We would ask that you not broadcast this accomplishment out to any of your lists, even if they are ‘supporters’ – emails can too easily be forwarded… Thus far, it seems that no press or blogs have discovered [the new Medicare regulations], but we will be keeping a close watch and may be calling on you if we need a rapid, targeted response. The longer this goes unnoticed, the better our chances of keeping it.

The sine qua non of communism is the diminution in value of individual human life. The collective is all; the state replaces God as the state must be completely separate from any notion of a power greater than itself. This lack of value on life is prominent in the liberal pro choice platform.

In a socialist society, humans become expendable; oppressed humans don’t value their own lives or the lives of others the way a free population does. As we hurtle toward socialized medicine, it’s worth considering that less effort will be devoted to providing treatment for the critically ill and less effort will be directed toward preventing unnatural deaths in a culture that has ceased to cherish individual life.
http://joytiz.com/2010/death-panel-resurrected/

posted January 07, 2011 09:30 AM            

In Arizona people are allowed to die unnecessarily– something five million dollars could fix– yet House Republicans are going after “Obamacare” without batting an eye over Brewer’s real death panels. It’s positively mind-boggling.

Congradulations Jan Brewer your death panel was effective a patient has died

Life saving Medical procedures are optional says Jan Brewer

Health care in Arizona right now is Brewercare

People are dying because funds have been 'allocated' elsewhere.

Allocated not spent.

Some of it going to the football team!

You want real death news about REAL death panels?

The real death panel in Arizona

posted January 07, 2011 10:04 AM            

Get set for a lot more deaths from non treatment if O'BomberCare isn't repealed. The moonbats have forced more than 30,000,000 people onto the state Medicaid rolls...without providing the funding for their medical care.

Of course, I hope Jan Brewer takes enough heat over this to see to it that it doesn't happen again.

However, this is standard procedure in Oregon...refusal of medical treatment and the resultant death of patients.

So Node, where was your outrage when I posted the article about deaths in Oregon from non treatment...or rather, the Oregon state treatment option offered the patient was state paid euthanasia?

posted January 07, 2011 11:39 AM            

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Heat for an it

the dead Arizonans are an it to Jan Brewer as well.

posted January 07, 2011 02:56 PM            

aren't we all paying for that? was it constitutional when reagan made this law? did he ask if we wanted to pay for it with escalating med costs, and all the "exceptions" insurance companies indulge in, OR DID BEFORE THE PATIENTS BILL OF RIGHTS now in effect?

posted January 08, 2011 08:23 AM            

Because the only reason you're bringing it up is for imagined political leverage.
If you or Ms Palin were truly interested in death panels Gov Brewer would have been reported on. She wasn't used to bump this supposed outing of Obama thread for the very reason that she- as a Republican- is bad for business. Maybe this is the first you have heard of Brewer and her 98 victims... I doubt Fox covered it except in passing, and if so likely framed as someone else's fault. And Thinker Lasky has articles shivering about Jan's Remarkable rise, and the hilarious possibility of a Palin/Brewer ticket that was posted. So maybe it was news to you.

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I don't know Kat. Good question.

In this case these are transplant patients, and all are 'un-insurable' most of the rights you hear about pertain to those that have insurance. Some states have their own PBOR and AZ is one of them.

Brewer could have used Federal Funds to help these transplant patients; she refused. She did use stimulus monies to repair the roof of her Stadium though, so those federal funds were clearly more to her liking.
She also refused to call a special session for these 98 people who are most dependent on the social safety net.

We haven't seen the worst of this yet,
the demise of social services-- Texas is talking about getting out of Medicaid altogether.

And the repeal efforts currently on the floor would cost over a trillion. In fact the CBO [that the fiscally responsible so much these days] updated the figures...but that is another thread.