posted February 12, 2011 09:03 PM            

it seems that you, like a great many so called "freedom lovers" believe in freedom only for your own kind. why should egyptians or anyone else live in the manner YOU prescribe? just because gw bush said so?

how about this, let the egyptians decide who they are and how they should live, and if they try to come over here and bash you over the head for refusing to pray to allah, THEN you get your knickers in a twist.

until then this is just more chicken littling, which i thought you despised. just because this particular brand appeals to your preconceptions about muslims doesn't mean it is anything else.

posted February 12, 2011 10:29 PM            

Well katatonic, it seems it was you and your cuckleheaded leftist friends who attempted to keep the Butcher of Baghdad in power so he could keep murdering, raping and torturing Iraqi citizens....and it was me..and people like me who made the case for self determination and representative government for the citizens of Iraq...and Afghanistan.

So, while you were far away and safe with your fanny planted in a recliner watching Oprah saying "leave our little Socialist friend Saddam alone", he was busily beheading women in the city squares, hanging anyone who dared cross him...and many who didn't just for the terror effect, raping young girls in front of their parents and dipping other citizens in 55 gallon barrels of acid. Nice guy your friend Saddam.

You don't get to play both sides of an issue with me katatonic.

Now, exactly where did you come up with this?

"whereas the muslims protected the christians in that crowd as equals"

Osmosis? You heard it through the grapevine? One of your friends whispered it in your ear?

Why didn't you simply look at the bottom of the image to find out where the poll came from katatonic. Is that beyond your capabilities. It clearly states it came from the Pew Research Center. Here, have another look.

posted February 13, 2011 12:38 PM            

and i am not blind either. i saw the tag at the bottom. but it does not explain anything about how the poll was conducted. i never said egypt was full of saints, nor that islam is my choice of religion. i wonder how the average egyptian is indoctrinated about us "christians" and our desire to wipe THEM out?

the point about saddam is not that he was a nice guy. the point is that all the reasons that were GIVEN for attacking him had nothing to do with him being a BAD GUY, until that was the only excuse left. you know, when the weapons of mass destruction turned out NOT to be there, when all connection with al qaeda turned out to be lameduck hypotheses, and when the military realized that NO ONE gets out of afghanistan in one piece...if we do get out of there without destorying ourselves in the process THAT will be a huge accomplishment unmatched in history!! is that enough reason to bomb it to shite? so we can say this little backward country didn't destroy US therefore we are the BEST?

i suggest, a la emitres, that you get out of your cocoon and check some of these places out first hand and THEN tell me what horrific people the egyptians are...like MVM for instance? who knows a darn sight more than you about REAL LIFE MUSLIMS.

it's true what they say, travel does broaden the mind. but have another martini and IMAGINE being in egypt with all those filthy saracens, it's much easier.

posted February 13, 2011 02:31 PM            

You still don't have your fact straight katatonic.

Possessing WMD was only one of the reasons the majority of Congress gave for removing the Butcher of Baghdad. You would know that if you had bothered to read the Joint Resolution of Congress authorizing military action against Saddam.

As for there being no al-Qaeda in Iraq before the war, that's utter bullshiiit. One of the first targets in the opening days of the attack was against an al-Qaeda stronghold in the north of Iraq.

You...and others have attempted to declare the war in Iraq an illegal war. More leftist bullshiiit.

The facts never penetrate leftist skulls.

A state of war still existed between the UN forces called to action by UN Resolution 678 and Iraq of which the US and Britain were a part.

2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait, unless Iraq on or before 15 January 1991 fully implements, as set forth in paragraph 1 above, the above-mentioned resolutions, to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area;"

Saddam signed a "Cease Fire" agreement in 1991 in which Saddam was to do certain things to satisfy the requirements of the "Cease Fire" agreement.

Saddam did not do so...through 12 years and at least 15 further UN Resolutions demanding he do so.

A "Cease Fire" is not an Armistice agreement to end a war. A Cease Fire merely grants some time for participants to accomplish the agreed upon articles of the Cease Fire agreement. Saddam did not comply...in the face of 12 years and an additional bevy of further UN Resolutions/demands.

UN Resolution 1441 gave Saddam a final chance to live up to the Cease Fire agreement he signed...or face "Serious Consequences" after 12 years of being out of compliance and stalling.

Saddam failed to do so and he got those "serious consequences" for non-compliance.

So, there was no "illegal war". There was a continuation of the Persian Gulf War from 1991.

Of course katatonic, you and the rest of the hyperventilating leftists would know all this if you ever bothered to check the facts before popping off.

posted February 13, 2011 03:06 PM            

but sssh don't tell anyone...the WMD were the main selling point as far as most people knew...and many STILL think that is why we went there, thanks to the honest and fair fox news pundits...

plenty of people believe that the ONLY reason we went to iraq was to clear papa bush's name and finish what he started...

but most of the world just sees us as the latest in a long line of overbearing superpowers whose own interests are considered all-important.

that doesn't really change the fact that what the egyptians decide for themselves is their business as long as they keep it at home. as is yours!

but never mind, as china overtakes us in the superpower field we will be freer to follow our own business instead of dragging ourselves to bankruptcy policing the world at large.

posted February 13, 2011 09:01 PM            

so apparently even you admit that that was considered A reason for going there, erroneous though it was

as for the people you lump me in with, i have never discussed the legality of the war in iraq so you've imagined me wrong AGAIN. those hunches are failing you with alarming regularity. i am just talking about misleading information being sucked up by people in general. nor did i ever argue that saddam should be allowed to abuse his power. i did say that SELF determination comes from the people involved, not from a bigger gun showing up and forcing it on them...subtle difference, i know, but it is not the same. us showing up and insisting that other countries do it the way WE think best is NOT self-determination.

the joint resolution of congress has nothing much to do with what "people" think and thought were the reasons for going into iraq. and no, i am not going to run look it up so i can read it. it is irrelevant to what i said.

posted February 13, 2011 10:23 PM            

The only way to prevent the Butcher of Baghdad from abusing his power as dictator was to remove him from power...that is, if you consider murder, rape, torture and use of WMD against his own people.."abusing his power".

That's right katatonic. Congratulations on getting it that WMD and the 2,000 tons of unaccounted for chemical stocks to make VX nerve agent was only A/ONE reason for removing Saddam.

posted February 14, 2011 02:49 PM            

i didn't say it was up to US to stop him. if we weren't policing the world it wouldnt be any of our business would it?

posted February 14, 2011 05:50 PM            

Perhaps you're the one who needs to go back and read it again katatonic. Here let me highlight the most important part for you so you don't miss it again.

posted February 17, 2011 02:22 PM            

So, does that mean Bush lied and people died katatonic....as your friends the leftist nutters at move on, demoscat underground and other nutty leftist sites allege?

In the meantime, here's some pictures of the Butcher of Baghdad's handiwork. The very same butcher you and your leftist nutter friends attempted to keep in power in Iraq.