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katatonic
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posted July 25, 2010 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
without defending the terrorist factions in palestine for a second, just wanted to share this story which comes from an israeli soldier's mouth...and explains why not everyone thinks israel is worth supporting either.
http://info-wars.org/2009/08/07/israeli-defense-forces-child-killing-unit-speaks-out/

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Quinnie
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posted July 26, 2010 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
That's just inexcusable!

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posted July 26, 2010 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
The IDF is heavily programmed to indulge in the same kind of abuse and hatred that the Illuminati's Masters programmed Nazi Germany to perpetrate against innocent jews and gypsies. It is a miracle that some are able to speak out.

I also wonder what stops Saudi Arabia and Egypt from creating an independent protectorate for the suffering Gaza citizens. Muslims are encouraged to immigrate to escape oppression as a first option. The total area of Gaza is 360 km, 1/400 the size of Egypt. 1.5 million Palestinians need 1/10th the Saudi Royal luxury wastage to jump start their economy.

I would also suggest to soft-Zionists to arrange for US, Europe or Japanese Visas to 500,000 Palestinians in Gaza. This gesture would cripple Hamas, minimize the Humanitarian Crisis and help saner elements of Israeli leadership and Mahmoud Abbas of democratic Palestine in helping the remaining one million Palestinians.

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posted July 27, 2010 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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Happy Dragon
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posted July 27, 2010 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 27, 2010 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
good points HD. the original post/video was supplied by someone who WAS one of those soldiers. as to the IRA connection, well i can attest that they were ONCE terrorists, dunno much bout what they are doing now. but then the IRA learned their techniques from terrorists from other countries, too, so it's one of those circular phenomena ...when i first lived in england you KNEW that you could be killed just walking down the street past the wrong car or pillarbox...

i believe there are palestinian terrorists too of course. however i do not think US support of israel is supportable. some people will always support the underdog of course and sorry but palestine definitely has not the muscle of israel. they have lost much territory. and the israelis of all people should be wary of cruel and inhuman treatment of ANYone. and in fact many of them are horrified at what is being done in their name.

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posted July 27, 2010 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Pure political propaganda.

Child killing unit indeed and we have only this nutroots site to trust a real Israeli soldier said any such thing. Name and Unit please!

Kind of reminds me of all the phony soldiers trotted out by leftists to speak about the "war crimes" committed by American forces in Iraq. Pure bullshiiit.

What's really odd is that those who call themselves "adults" would fall for it...after all the lies, all the hype, all the staged photos, all the staged mock fights video taped and passed off as "real" by so called Palestinians...who are mostly not Palestinians at all. That's perhaps the biggest lie of all.

However, those who claim to be oh so compassionate about mistreatment of children don't bat an eye when Hamas terrorists blow up school buses full of Israeli children. Don't bat an eye when Hamas terrorists fire off unguided rockets into Israel and maim or kill both children and adults. Don't bat an eye when it's pointed out to them that each and every firing of an unguided rocket into a civilian area is by definition a....WAR CRIME.

Go figure.

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posted July 28, 2010 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 28, 2010 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 28, 2010 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
and the twelve year old whose testes they wired up for electric shock was also lying? propaganda it may be but by your own admission HD things were different then.

i do understand that "child" is used rather loosely especially as kids tend to grow up a lot faster and get involved in the conflict at an age when many of ours are still in school.

the north of england is a long way from israel...and you are one of thousands who chose not to be in that area...obviously i do not know your reasons for not being there but i do know a few israelis who are homesick but consider going back the last thing they would do unless things change DRASTICALLY.

as i tried to say in my first words here i do not sympathize with the palestinian terrorists either. howeve to my knowledge my government is not supporting them as they are israel who is after all much bigger and better armed in every way.

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posted July 28, 2010 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
is of interest!

i'm afraid wherever there is war there will be propaganda as well..on both sides.

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posted July 28, 2010 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 29, 2010 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Hi HD,
Info on Programming in IDF was from an ex-CIA.
It needs a lot of mind control to coldly kill children, and ofcourse, Arab terrorists are not less guilty of this crime. They use religious programming instead. No harm to any child is justifiable. Israeli, Afghani, Iraqi or Palestinian. No collateral damage is justified either.

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posted July 30, 2010 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Egyptian Journalist Describes 'Absolute Prosperity' in Gaza
by Maayana Miskin
07/29/10

With Hamas telling tales of deprivation and suffering in Gaza, Egyptian journalist Ashraf Abu al-Houl has added his report to others who were surprised to discover a “prosperous” Gaza in which prices are low and luxury businesses are booming. Al-Houl's story of his trip to Gaza and his realization that “in actual terms, Gaza is not under siege” was written up in the Egyptian daily Al-Ahram and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

"A sense of absolute prosperity prevails, as manifested by the grand resorts along and near Gaza's coast. Further, the site of the merchandise and luxuries filling the Gaza shops amazed me,” he reported.

Concerned that his initial impression of prosperity may have been misleading, “I toured the new resorts, most of which are quite grand, as well as the commercial markets, to verify my hypothesis. The resorts and markets have come to symbolize prosperity, and to prove that the siege is formal or political, not economic,” Al-Houl said.

Gaza's markets are filled with a “plethora of goods,” he wrote. Prices on many items, particularly food, are much lower than they are in Egypt, he said. With goods entering Gaza from both smuggling tunnels to Egypt and humanitarian aid shipments coming in via Israeli crossings, “supply is much greater than demand,” he stated.

The evident prosperity is not enjoyed by all, or even most, of Gaza's residents, according to Al-Houl. The problem is the vast differences in the distribution of wealth. The luxury resorts and wide range of consumer goods are enjoyed by “only a few groups,” he said, primarily those who own smuggling tunnels to Egypt and those who work for international organizations such as the United Nations' UNRWA and who do not include or aid the rest of the population.

Most of the new resorts “are owned by members, or associates, of Hamas,” he reported. “In addition, the Hamas municipalities charge high fees, in Gaza terms, for the use of public beaches,” he added.

Al-Houl quoted political activist Mustafa Ibrahim as saying that while Gaza's rich invest in the leisure industry, 80% of residents rely on UNRWA, and unemployment is approximately 45%. “This creates a distorted picture,” Ibrahim explained.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138860

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posted July 30, 2010 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Happy Dragon,

I came to the conclusion long ago that if anyone if oppressing the so called Palestinians it's The United Nations Relief and Works Agency...UNWRAP, the UN itself, Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, other terrorist organizations and the surrounding Arab nations...propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding.

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