posted July 28, 2010 08:19 AM         

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posted July 28, 2010 08:33 AM         

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I don't have a prob with Valus,he speaks his mind yes,so what?That doesn't mean I'm going to victimize him because other members DECIDED to leave because no one can make someone leave unless that person CHOOSES to do so.I also don't make decisions that's going to please the majority for the sake of being popular either.As stated before,I moved threads to appropriete forums too but what I don't like is threads being closed left,right and centre just because someone has the means to do so.There was a thread in LLC2 which I felt was under control and posted there myself,one minute later it was closed (not by me) and i wasnt even given the oppotunity to reply. There are 4 mods on that forum not just ONE so ja dont abuse your "power" and be considerate to the other mods as well.If you're not sure email one of us sothat we can discusse it.Please dont take away my freedom of speech or expression as Randall has never taken that away from anyone here.

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posted July 28, 2010 08:34 AM         

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posted July 28, 2010 08:36 AM         

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well, I admit I would have left your Holisticism thread in LLC2 if I were a Mod.

I admit, in my opinion, people were overreacting to you today.

I admit we all get mean when provoked.

And this is very sad because we all love this place.

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posted July 28, 2010 08:43 AM         

I realize that you think many people here are idiots who don't get me and don't deserve a piece of my mind, but when you criticize a friend in public, -- one who is already getting a lot of heat, and could really use your support, rather than hearing you add your voice to the mob -- you really need to make it abundantly clear where you're coming from, so as to avoid additional misunderstandings. Otherwise, it comes off (to me, at least, who you've provided with a little more context by which to interpret your posts to me here) as somewhat two-faced.

Just so there are no misunderstandings, my detractors need to know that you consider them "average", and you expect them to behave as poorly as they do. You don't criticize them because you don't think they are worth it. Instead, you criticize me, publicly, and hold me accountable to a much higher standard, because you see me as an exceptional person. You are diplomatic and patronizing with them, because you don't want to deal with the sh!tstorm that will come your way if you tell them what you really think of them. Many people here are likely to miss that half of the story and, so, misconstrue your position.

posted July 28, 2010 10:03 AM         

I was thinking this morning... sifting through my bag of keys and found one that I think you can use. Let's say that some day when you are old and gray you will have reached the level of "Master". A "Master" does not get upset because people are unkind to him/her. A "Master" can be bolted by the hands up to a cross and after hours of torturous pain the "Master" will say, "God forgive them for what they have done." You have never been tortured. You have never been flogged. Yet you still get disproportionately upset ("throw tantrums" as someone put it) because others are so unfair to you. I am simply saying that this is not necessary. How others behave should not be such a big deal to you.

Some people here are consistently kind and some are wise, as much as any of us can be. Some behave in a selfish and bratty way or are wise less of the time. Some are short-sighted and emotional. All have different combinations of these. I don't try to teach every child in my daughter's school, I try to give my daughter the strength and skills to maneuver her way through her world with dignity and kindness... regardless of how unfair or downright mean other children may be to her. Because I think of you as family, I do the same for you. I don't bother with everyone.

You have been weaving your web to insinuate that others are privately giving you support when they don't want to get involved. Now, your comments appear again to include me in that, though our only communication has been our public words for almost a year. I do not tell you one thing in private and then come here to be diplomatic and patronizing to people here. I am diplomatic because it is my deeply ingrained nature. People who make me shake my head at their abusive and overly emotional behavior, I ignore. Simply don't respond to them. That doesn't mean that I am two faced and the people I do bother to offer kindness and support here I really am secretly thinking are idiots. I'm disliking this manipulative web you've got going on here where you are trying to cause others here to mistrust me. You've done enough to take away my friendships here at LindaLand.

I thought X was acting like an idiot and I told him so. There are a couple females here I thought that of over the years, and I said something to them as well, ignoring them the rest of the time. Years ago when something similar happened with Lexx/Fayte and Mirandee, I thought they were acting like total bidtches (which I publicly said,) and ended up loving them and caring about them for life.

posted July 28, 2010 11:57 AM         

and who made you judge and jury about what other people should consider important? it is typical of the shadow side of uranian energies to think that THEIR idea of what's good for everyone is the ONLY one that matters...

glad you have the tacit (and therefore unverifiable) support of so many souls. what was that you said about the people who didn't speak up in germany? how are your "silent supporters" any different?

my first and last quarrel with you is not about what you are trying to get people to see but that you DEMAND admiration for doing it, and you cannot hear anyone else's point of view unless it is done in terms that stroke your ego. BIG WORKS are not about the person who does them, they are about the work, as melody has already said. and others.

you refuse to say what you are doing elsewhere but insist that others are not doing enough because they don't claim to be at the BARRICADES throwing grenades. war is not the answer here or anywhere. what makes you any better than george bush if you think it is?

juni on the other hand is doing something on a scale she can manage. she is not accusing anyone of anything, just making things better. after decades of fighting much like you, i began to realize that "a spoonful of sugar" really does make the medicine go down. on the other hand casting the rest of the world as idiots just makes you look and act like a puffed up adder.

posted July 28, 2010 07:30 PM         

LIAR, liar, pants on fire.

We exchanged messages on Facebook a week ago.

This is what we discussed.

You know what you said.

I have it right in front of me.

I'm SO f*cking disappointed in you.

posted July 28, 2010 07:34 PM         

It's an Eris problem

remember what Eris' co-discoverer Michael Brown said about naming Eris.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html

You do have an exact Sun quincunx Eris

I can relate with my Sun oppose/conjunct Geocentric Eris Nodes and Earth conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes ...both with 10 minutes of arc
very strong Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment

I also have Eris sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis with 1'01 orb and sextile/trine Lunar Nodes less than 3 degrees.

Mercury biqintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc

Moon semisquare Eris with 7 minutes of arc in Right Ascension.
Venus quincunx Eris with 10 minutes of arc in Right Ascension.

I think a positive of way to use Eris' energy is to be an advocate about something but considering other's viewpoints too, being able to agree to disagree, but also an ability to bridge gaps.

Eris doesn't have to be about controversy and discord.

I had a falling out with my non profit vice president/secretary. He turned out to be discordant,controversial in how he is so opinionated and turns people off. He made enemies with people in autism biomed community all in the name of neurodiversity. He is very divisive. This guy turns out to have Venus square Eris within 1 degree.

I don't want to be an advocate in that way. My Neurodiversity advocacy involves creating bridges between people, considering people's viewpoints but not budging when it comes to my own. It is also about offering my own viewpoints but in a way that it doesn't offend others. However, an alternative viewpoint can easily offend people just for being differing from their own. We really see this when it comes to politics and religion. I can tell a certain Republican that I believe that Obama is right for the country, and I'd get slammed as being a person that supports a Marxist Socialist that wants to destroy America.

Even if I advocate neurodiversity in a way that is considerate, there are always going to be people that will be angry just because they are against neurodiversity. I could even get death threats and be killed. Just going against the status quo can make a person very controversial whether they are being Dr. Martin Luther King Jr-like or Malcolm X-like. I do prefer to take the former approach.

There is fine line between giving alternative viewpoints and offending people because they don't like what you say or stuffing things down people's throats.

There are people that talk about certain things, and they expect others to take it as truth. If somebody gives an alternative viewpoint, that person often gets accused of not seeing the truth.

Even if offering a viewpoint about something can offend somebody. This definitely goes especially if you give a negative opinion about a religion,political belief,or a country. Giving a negative opinion about race is probably the one that stirs up the most crap.

How many times do humans call others "stupid" just for expressing their alternative views. A whole lot. It's a natural thing for us humans to put other fellow humans down and thinking we are superior to others based on what we think is true and false.

Diversity is not the problem. Intolerance of Diversity is the problem. How do we know if somebody is being intolerant of diversity? The person may be tolerant of diversity, but his expressing his opinion could be misconstrued as intolerance of diversity.

It's all relative imho

It's not a coincidence that Albert Einstein had the following in his chart which is something Astrologers would not have known until after the 21st Century and not looking from different perspectives.

Eris in 14'40 Pisces in 10th
conjunct Midheaven in 12'50 Pisces
square Moon in 14'31 Sagittarius in 6th

in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude Coordinate)which is the actual coordinate that astronomers use to find objects in the sky:

Eris in 2'53 Aries
conjunct Mercury in 3'02 Aries
conjunct Saturn in 4'52 Aries

It's no coincidence that the person that came up with the theory of relativity had a very strong Eris influence overall.

Also Albert Einstein was thought to have been a neurodivergent ( Some thought that he had Dyslexia. Some thought he had ADHD. Some thought he had Aspergers or High Functioning Autism). Whether he was or not, he definitely was a person who was known for being both gifted and nonconformist. He didn't care for the status quo.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 28, 2010 07:49 PM         

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There's a member named Glaucus on other boards that talks about Eris and awareness. With personal planets associated with Eris, there's an attempt at the breakdown of society's assumptions on psychological illness and other profound subjects. Is Eris basically about awareness?
I find there's a certain tenaciousness and the same -won't-back-down' attitude you guys speak of. Eris is relentless.
So, Eris may have been a bothersome figure in mythology, but now it's a symbol of stirring up things for the greater good.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80768

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posted July 28, 2010 07:52 PM         

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted July 28, 2010 07:58 PM         

Lalalinda..

posted July 28, 2010 08:23 PM         

I'd have to add, though, that none of this
can be reduced to a single planetary energy.

"There is more in heaven and hell
that is dreamt of in your [astrology]."
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But I think Glaucus is very insightful here.

Clearly, many people here are utterly convinced
that they're in possession of the "correct" view on this.

I myself am convinced that I'm using Eris fairly well,
and that even the best use of Eris energy is inflammatory.

In some circles.

posted July 28, 2010 08:25 PM         

"A certain element of excess seems
to be a necessary element in all greatness."
~ Alfred North Whitehead

“In all things, I go to the uttermost extreme;
my life long, I have never been acquainted with moderation.”
~ Fyodor Dostoevsky

posted July 28, 2010 08:41 PM         

"It is the nature of the artist
to mind excessively what is said about him.
Literature is strewn with the wreckage of men
who have minded beyond reason the opinions of others."

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself
you cannot tell it about other people."

"Yet it is in our idleness, in our dreams,
that the submerged truth sometimes comes to the top."

posted July 28, 2010 09:16 PM         

same here

retrograde Eris conjunct retrograde Chiron in Aries in 8th, sextile MC in Gemini

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 28, 2010 09:21 PM         

THINKING

THINKING is passing from the false to the true
And seeing the Absolute Whole in the part.
When the idea enters the mind,
It is a reminiscence of a former state,
And passes on to interpretation.

. . . He who sees by illumination
Discerns God first in everything,
But he who sees by logic only,
And seeks to prove the necessary,
Is bewildered and sometimes travels
Backward in a circle, or is imprisoned
In a chain of proofs.
Fool! he seeks the dazzling sun
By the dim light of a candle in the desert.

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted July 28, 2010 09:23 PM         

Hope life is dishing up peace and joy to you and yours!!

juni

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted July 29, 2010 01:30 AM         

Bear is gone until Saturday and then he leaves again on Monday to go into the field.. However, I would rather he is gone a week out of the month (or two) versus another deployment.

I absolutely adore our little Pisces pup Rocky yet, sometimes I don't quite understand him. LOl..

Big hugs!

posted July 29, 2010 02:04 AM         

Dear Valus, this is a bigger problem. Why do you keep coming here for punishment if you feel others are ganging up on you? There are millions of forums and websites, what has your experience been in them ? Have they treated you even worse that even after 6 years of insults, you still want to come here?
So much of your research information is brilliant, useful and can positively influence others, why waste it in a place where you feel others are bashing you up?

This masochistic tendency [definite 12th House issues and Neptune or Leo Moon afflictions?] needs to be addressed and healed, and maybe the very same people you feel are insulting you will become your supporters and give encouragement ?