posted August 16, 2010 12:45 PM         

a friend of mine, aged 90, apparently suffered a stroke about 6 months ago. HER doctor shrugged off her symptoms as dementia due to old age "she is 89 what do you expect?" were his exact words. this woman is insured to the hilt and has been basically healthy all her life. one side of her face has taken a downturn while the other is fine. these are BASIC STROKE 101 symptoms.not to mention that one day she was fine and the next having major thinking problems.

after 6 months of up and down days, having moved into assisted living because her daughter couldn't cope 24/7 with her needs as well as the rest of the family's, she appears to have had another stroke. the doctors took a look at her record and refused to consider that it can have been a stroke. diagnosis has been made and apparently set in stone.

let us not ignore the fact that STROKE victims can come back with intensive therapy, while dementia patients basically get put on the shelf and expected to decline progressively. in other words, IT COSTS MORE TO TREAT someone who has had a stroke.

then there is the lady i met the other day whose eldest daughter had a brain tumour as a child. this is a VERY wealthy, well-insured family and the case took place 30 YEARS AGO. the mother had an intuition that the diagnosis given was off, and that her child needed a brain doctor's attention. the doctors presiding over her case refused to admit they MIGHT have made a mistake and she had to battle with them and the insurance company to get her girl to the brain doctor. who discovered a tumour, operated, and freed her daughter to live a normal life. that girl is now 40 and perfectly healthy.

posted August 16, 2010 07:30 PM         

O'Bomber has the perfect pair to run his death panels. Dr Death # 1, Zeke Emanuel and the new director of Medicare, Dr Death #2.

There are no perfect health care systems but those Socialist systems...like Britain and Canada let people die before they ever get to see a doctor.

In Britain, patients are deliberately starved, dehydrated and left to die in their crummy Socialist hospitals without drugs or treatment.

O'BomberCare is not in session....yet and if Republicans win the House..or Senate...or both in November and don't defund O'BomberCare...then, look out in 2012. You can color them gone.

posted August 16, 2010 09:47 PM         

and please, jwhop, who has never been there, tell me, who lived there 21 yrs and still has family using their system...more about the fiendish british system. which, by the way, kaiser permanente models ITS system on.

our current system is keeping the 90 yr old above out of the kind of care she could recover with. the girl in the other story would have died of a brain tumour if her mother hadn't gone to battle for more research and the right kind of doctor.

posted August 16, 2010 11:38 PM         

Yeah, I remember Barack Hussein O'Bomber telling a woman her mother probably should have been sent home without her pace maker 10 years ago. Today...as far as I know, she's alive and in her 90's.

So much for O'Bomber and his Dr Deaths 1 and 2 plans to withhold treatment from senior citizens.

posted August 18, 2010 01:45 AM         

Barack Obama got elected on healthcare platfo
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he clearly won the popular vote and won in an electoral landslide

I think jwhop believes that liberals,democrats,and independents don't matter

only Republicans,conservatives matter to him

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posted August 18, 2010 07:55 AM         

Funny, I don't recall anyone voting for O'Bomber to have their health insurance premiums raised.

Funny, I don't recall anyone voting for O'Bomber to have their health care costs raised.

Funny, I don't recall anyone voting for O'Bomber to have their health care rationed.

Funny, I don't recall anyone voting for O'Bomber to set up "boards" and "panels" to decide what kind of health care treatment you can have...or if you can have any at all.

Funny, I don't recall anyone voting for O'Bomber to give the IRS the power to rummage around in their bank accounts and fine them...for not having O'BomberCare.

Funny, I don't recall anyone voting for O'Bomber so they could be told what kind of health insurance policy they could have...and what kind of health coverage.

Funny, now that America has found out that all that's in O'BomberCare...they want O'BomberCare REPEALED.

Funny, since Americans found all that out, they're planning to lynch demoscats on November 2nd.

posted August 18, 2010 12:10 PM         

without even going into the errors in your post, apart from pointing out that NO ONE IS TELLING YOU WHAT KIND OF INSURANCE TO BUY, just to buy SOMETHING...

what was that comment about how the founders abhorred the one man one vote form of democracy and that is why we have the REPRESENTATIVE system we do...in other words people vote for politicians to do things and DECIDE how they're done...for them, thus protecting the minorities (who make up a large portion of the whole) from the simple majority.

by all means vote for the people you think will do the job right. just as voters all over the country did in nov 08.

posted August 18, 2010 05:01 PM         

I can only hope O'bama gets voted out of office and this lousy excuse for a "solution" to healthcare gets reversed.

posted August 18, 2010 05:24 PM         

Yeah katatonic, what I meant was that on election day, November 2nd, 2010...voters are going to Washington D.C. to "lynch" their congressional members...yeah really katatonic!

posted August 18, 2010 11:46 PM         

Then acoustic, perhaps your best course of action is to not post on political topics.

This forum is littered with your illogical, irrational and unreasonable political babblings.

Like this peach of illogic and irrationality.

"You don't like Socialism? You better go picket the local church. They're collecting money, and helping the poor. Oh God forbid!"

Collecting money by a church or giving money freely to help the poor is a voluntary act of charity acoustic.

When Socialism is applied to giving money, there's nothing voluntary about it. It's government compulsion.

posted August 19, 2010 01:50 AM         

quote:

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When Socialism is applied to giving money, there's nothing voluntary about it. It's government compulsion.

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posted August 19, 2010 09:29 AM         

winkaway did you not hear obama talking about "healthcare for all" during the campaign? did you not notice that he was elected on that platform? in what way is putting money into the national kitty so you don't have to watch people dying in the streets "coercion"? do you pay SSI on your paycheck? would you like me to refuse to pay mine so you can't collect your SS when you are too old to work? we're not talking siberia here....

and time and again jwhop has made it clear he believes conscription to the military should be reinstated, ie the govt should FORCE military service on all young men. but he doesn't CALL it socialism....personally i prefer to cough up for the general HEALTH than send my son to boot camp or death because it's mandatory. don't care for the robot mentality.

anyway back to our poll:

WASHINGTON — Americans increasingly are convinced — incorrectly — that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, and a growing number are thoroughly confused about his religion.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.

The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.

The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center and its affiliated Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, is based on interviews conducted before the controversy over whether Muslims should be permitted to construct a mosque near the World Trade Center site. Obama has said he believes Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center there, though he's also said he won't take a position on whether they should actually build it.

In a separate poll by Time magazine/ABT SRBI conducted Monday and Tuesday — after Obama's comments about the mosque — 24 percent said they think he is Muslim, 47 percent said they think he is Christian and 24 percent didn't know or didn't respond.

In addition, 61 percent opposed building the Muslim center near the Trade Center site and 26 percent said they favor it.

The Pew poll found that about three in 10 of Obama's fiercest political rivals, Republicans and conservatives, say he is a Muslim. That is up significantly from last year and far higher than the share of Democrats and liberals who say so. But even among his supporters, the number saying he is a Christian has fallen since 2009, with just 43 percent of blacks and 46 percent of Democrats saying he is Christian.

more below http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38766014/ns/politics-white_house

posted August 19, 2010 09:59 AM         

Socialist government...as a church. Kindly take that load of codswallop somewhere else.

Neither can Social Security or Medicare contributions be seen as a voluntary means to help the poor.

They are both closely related to insurance policies...where the beneficiary has contributed over the years TO HELP THEMSELVES.

However, for those under 50 who are paying into Social Security and Medicare, it may well turn out they will be defrauded out of the proceeds of their contributions. O'Bomber wants to give amnesty to about 20,000,000 illegal aliens...and their dependents making those who have never paid a cent into Social Security or Medicare eligible for the full range of benefits. O'Bomber also wants to dump all those (now) illegal aliens into Medicare and Medicaid while at the same time raiding Medicare for half a Trillion dollars.

posted August 19, 2010 10:41 AM         

paying into an insurance pool is ALSO to help yourself. and to whittle down the emergency room crowds too. one day your children will be defending their right to universal healthcare. or maybe like today's confused conservatives, they will be frightened that the government is going to intervene in their medicare.

the reason SS is in danger is that we have far fewer YOUNG people coming up to contribute compared to people who will be collecting in the next couple of decades. however behind the small group of young adults is a much bigger one. SS will be fine.

posted August 19, 2010 11:14 AM         

The reason Social Security is going...going...going...gone broke is that Social Security is a gigantic Ponzi scheme which if done by private parties or individuals would be considered the crime of the 20th Century.

The outright fraud of Social Security dwarfs the outrage of Bernie Maddoff and all the rest of the scam artists combined. The outright fraud dwarfs the fraud of the UN Oil for Food fraud.

In short, when Social Security became law in 1935 the age set to collect on Social Security was age 65.

As statistics from that era show, you were supposed to die before you became eligible to collect a dime of Social Security. Life expectancy for men...61 years. Life expectancy for women...62 years.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt(D), Ponzi Schemer in Chief.

That's right katatonic.

Neither Social Security or Medicare can be likened to charitable giving to churches to help the poor.

posted August 19, 2010 11:32 AM         

as a result of SS we have had the most comfortable old people in history. i do understand it is not a charity. you said we paid into it voluntarily which is untrue. is it like insurance schemes to help oneself? yes. it also helps everyone else. as does this new plan for everyone to buy real insurance. no one wanted to pay taxes so it was put in the form of selecting your own policy, your decision what kind and how much.

posted August 19, 2010 11:46 AM         

as in the income tax scenario, the wealthiest pay only so much into SS and then are expected to supplement that if they want with their own voluntary pensions/retirement funds.

posted August 19, 2010 11:47 AM         

as in the income tax scenario, the wealthiest pay only so much into SS and then are expected to supplement that if they want with their own voluntary pensions/retirement funds.