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katatonic
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posted August 28, 2010 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
this deserves its own thread.

"We are 12 hours away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America," Beck said, according to the Post. "It has nothing to do with this city or politics. It has everything to do with God almighty."

"This is the beginning of the great awakening of America ... We must give voice to what God says we must do," he added. "My message to you tonight is stand where He wants you to stand and trust in the Lord. If He tells you to do it, do it. If you can't figure it out, He will. Just do it."

as i mentioned on the brad pitt thread, this man has admitted that he is an entertainer first and foremost. why does HE think it is his job to save us from ourselves? is he doing it for the money?

is this the beginning of the fulfillment of the prophecy - "when fascism comes to america it will wear a flag and carry a cross..."???

if the conservatives want to get in a twist about brad pitt HAVING AN OPINION, why is this blatant fundamentalist crap not protested as well?

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posted August 28, 2010 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
No thanks Kat, I`ll stick with the tried and true

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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posted August 28, 2010 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puppet04     Edit/Delete Message
i don't agree with his politics or some of his beliefs but i do think he's genuine and concerned by the state of political affairs.. esp big buisness etc. so let him have his movementlol

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posted August 28, 2010 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
sorry, but i don't subscribe to fundamentalist movements be they christian, muslim or martian. he can rant all he likes as long as he remembers he is an entertainer. this is something else. who made him god's interpreter?

and then of course sarah palin gets in on the act, Palin, the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee who may make a White House run in 2012, said activists must honor King's legacy by paying tribute to the men and women who protect the United States in uniform.

she seems not to have learned in history class that king was a pacifist and considered the military ambitions of his country to be wasting money that should be spent at home instead where many of our own citizens were in dire straits and not able to enjoy their "inalienable rights"...but hey the coincidence of this date was too tempting to use to boost the cause however SHAMFUL it is.

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posted August 28, 2010 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puppet04     Edit/Delete Message
in my previous response my point was directed at the allegation this was being done for money. prb should have made that more clear! sorry! Beck was critical of president Bush's policies and during primaries republican presidential candidates as well.. I consider myself a progressive so our views differ very much however I do believe that he is authentic (though i do question why he aligned himself with female bush 2 palin!)

On the fundalmentalist issue I agree with you completely he is not the new messiah lol.. and has to be careful about some of his views on forigen policy (unless he's changed them haven't been following politics) insiting more haterd.. esp now that he's tying religon into it. but I do think on his show he was right about big buisness.. it's not black and white, he's way off base on somethings and correct on few

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posted August 28, 2010 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
It's a shame that the self professed entertainer, and fellow grifter Sister Sarah get so much attention as it is.

But then again Wrestle-mania and The Bachelor are quite popular too.

So many factions decided to 'report' this event last week that we were afforded innumerable takes on it.

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the work of a largely unknown tea party blogger, Bruce Majors, brought them to a fever pitch on Friday.

The blog, which first appeared last Monday and has been widely viewed and distributed since then, warned conservative protesters visiting the nation's capital to avoid certain subway lines, suggesting they are unsafe, that certain neighborhoods should be avoided, that the city is populated by the world's refugees — that taxi drivers are often Arab or African — and that generally visitors should be wary.

And it inspired a satirical map of Washington with all of the city marked unsafe, except for the tiny sliver of the National Mall, home to the Lincoln Memorial. Some people mistakenly assumed the map was put out by Beck rally supporters.

City leaders didn't see the humor.



But ultimately Becks own words are enough. He is the master at reverse racism. The last rally [the 9-12] had dismal crowd numbers. The turn out was so mediocre they changed the crowd pic on FOXY to show a larger crowd from a different event. Dick Army and Freedom works will be busing peeps in, and quite a few stations in D.C. were peeved about the map that was distributed showing which parts of the city are 'safe'


I doubt the Beck devoutness. I would imagine that he is agnostic or perhaps atheist. He uses what sells, God sells.
That he is a huckster for and profiter from Goldline [which sells at 10-12 % above market] or thereabouts adds a nice faux finish, and bothers his crowd not a bit.
As a multimillionaire [I heard he made 18 mil last year] he is really really good at it. And his believers see him as a savior of sorts. Plenty of people in this country still spend the last food stamp on televangelists so this is no big surprise.

The method and the message scare me. I am not a fragile little flower nor prone to the vapors-

but this guy scares the crap out of me. I find his penchant for showing Nazis,
claims that "six degrees" separate Obama from Mao, calling the President a racist, and using psychologically subversive methods to undermine what is good in this country highly effective. Too effective.
He promotes violence and acts of violence. He would make a great Stephen King character. And so angelically blond.

He and Palin are telling people to restore America

to what? A Muslim free America?


Beck has joined forces with a small, Tampa-based nonprofit called the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, which he said will benefit from all proceeds of the event. He is encouraging his supporters to donate to the foundation.

I haven't looked too far into that and the wiki page is bare bones.

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posted August 29, 2010 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
The Beckster truth-O-meter

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posted August 29, 2010 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
some people believe that hitler's real father was jewish and his efforts to hide that fact were instrumental in turning him into the mass-murderer of that religion.

well i'm going to start an internet rumour that beck is really a mixed-race descendant of slaves, that in secret he is a muslim and only doing all this to help al-qaeda win their campaign against the us and "christian" "first"world countries" and that he and sarah palin are getting too close for a platonic relationship to last long.

don't you see the resemblance to mandela?

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posted August 29, 2010 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message

I know just the place to start:
http://news.spreadit.org/

Tag?

News @ Spreadit.org
If it's hot,we will spread it.

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posted August 30, 2010 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message

this probably belongs on your boehner thread, node, since you discuss technique there...but beck's turning to religion to suck in the masses made me put it here instead. it's from dick sutphen's "battle for your mind" in which he, a very skilful hypnotist, exposes the hypnotic techniques being used daily by politicians, pundits, cults, "workshop" leaders, and tv...

it also describes perfectly what the conservative movers have been laying down for years now..scare people (with socialism, a black president, radical islam, etc) and then feed them the "medicine"...

The Birth of Conversion

Any study of brainwashing has to begin with a study of Christian revivalism in eighteenth century America. Apparently, Jonathan Edwards accidentally discovered the techniques during a religious crusade in 1735 in Northampton, Massachusetts. By inducing guilt and acute apprehension and by increasing the tension, the sinners attending his revival meetings would break down and completely submit. Technically, what Edwards was doing was creating conditions that wipe the brain slate clean so that the mind accepts new programming. He would tell those attending, "You're a sinner! You're destined for hell!"

As a result, one person committed suicide and another attempted suicide. The neighbors of the suicidal converts related that they, too, were affected so deeply that, although they had found "eternal salvation," they were obsessed with a diabolical temptation to end their own lives.

Once a preacher, cult leader, manipulator or authority figure creates the brain phrase to wipe the brain-slate clean, his subjects are open to new programming. New input, in the form of suggestions, can be substituted for their previous ideas. Because Edwards didn't turn his message positive until the end of the revival, many accepted the negative suggestions and acted, or desired to act, upon them.

Charles J. Finney was another Christian revivalist who used the same techniques four years later in mass religious conversions in New York. The techniques are still being used today by Christian revivalists, cults, human-potential training, some business rallies and the U.S. armed services.

Let me point out here that I don't think most revivalist preachers realize or know they are using brainwashing techniques. Edwards simply stumbled upon a technique that worked, and others copied it and have continued to copy it for over two hundred years. And the more sophisticated our knowledge and technology become, the more effective the conversion. I feel strongly that this is one of the major reasons for the increasing rise in Christian fundamentalism, especially the televised variety, while most of the orthodox religions are declining.

i find the above interesting in light of the "assassination" of the abortion doctor last year...after o'riley's banging on about how heinous and godless the man was and how he deserved to die...and yet the hitman was decreed a "lone wingnut" of COURSE.

is there nothing new under the sun? i guess it is new if you know nothing about it. the constant yammering of the fox news haranguers can be VERY hypnotic. i remember a time when i was in my car a lot and kept finding myself listening to them, and getting headaches from all the high-pitched hate...it actually took some doing to turn it off!

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posted August 30, 2010 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
gotta figure out how to light the flintspark...i think instead of all that racist stuff about beck we should just point out that wasilla porches are NOT in sight of russia, and the reason miss sal said that is because she was actually born in russia. apparently birth certificate forgeries are a dime a dozen...

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posted August 30, 2010 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
I was on alternet reading about Mr Geithner and Treasury Makes shocking admission (their tag not mine)

when I found this:
(turns out Beck has added a daily prayer to the radio show)

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NEWS & POLITICS
AlterNet
By Adele M. Stan 124 COMMENTS

Glenn Beck's Messiah Complex

Rupert Murdoch's community organizer says that God speaks through him. Does Beck think he's the Second Coming? (His followers just may think so.)

" Beck's production company, Mercury Radio Arts, will produce a pre-game event at the Kennedy Center, modestly titled "Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny" (until it was apparently renamed "America's Divine Destiny".

there's likely more than a bit of strategy involved in the revamped Beck formula, which is ultimately designed to marshal resentful white people to the anti-regulatory agenda of Rupert Murdoch, CEO of the parent company of Beck's employer, Fox News.

When the billionaire backers of the astroturf group, Americans for Prosperity Foundation (whose board is chaired by David Koch), first drew together the disparate pockets of discontent that formed the initial core of the Tea Party movement, they focused on the secular but personal issue of health care reform. This was a deliberate choice, a way of broadening the circle of those comprising the ranks of the right's ground troops, of bringing in those who share with the religious right a disdain for government, if not the evangelicals' intrusive agenda on issues of sexuality.
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It's a clever 90-degree pivot. Tea Partiers already esteem Beck; a recent study by Democracy Corps shows Beck with a 75 percent "warm" rating among self-described Tea Partiers, making him the most esteemed figure the study's authors tested among those surveyed. Having already won their hearts, he is poised to win their souls, while also cleaving to his side a greater chunk of Christian evangelicals than had already found their remotes shifting from the Christian Broadcasting Network to Fox News



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Last week I had heard about the Koch bros involvement, and Murdoch is stringing the tea bag.

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posted August 30, 2010 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
This thread seems more about "getting in touch with your inner hate"...than an attempt to dispense accurate information.

I happen to know Beck cautions against violence. I get the impression Beck thinks violence is counter-productive.

So far, the violence has come from the lying, deranged, hateful, Socialist Progressive left...while at the very same time they're whining, screeching and shrieking about peaceful gatherings of main stream Americans.

These deranged ones don't understand why main stream America is totally against their Messiah's Socialist Progressive agenda to destroy America.

They should get out of their little circles of leftist hate mongering Socialist Progressives and mingle with main stream Americans.

Perhaps if they did so, they wouldn't remain totally clueless.

August 30, 2010
The malignant malice of Chris Matthews
Jeannie DeAngelis

MSNBC political pundit Chris Matthews was so smitten with the President's speechifying that stirring electrical currents physically manifested in his body. The separation-of-church-and-state commentator admitted he "cried over an Obama speech" and "compared him to Jesus."

Completely infatuated, Matthews openly gushed when Barack spoke: "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often."

Apparently, Chris's tingle didn't cease with his legs; based on the MSNBC anchor's pre-Glen Beck rally comments, the current traveled straight to his race-baiting brain.

The night prior to the Glen Beck-hosted gathering, Chris Matthews felt it was his patriotic duty to spew malice and spin the "Restoring Honor" Lincoln Memorial event into what he defined as a "nightmare."

Americans gathering to peacefully pray, exercise freedom of speech and laud the greatness of our nation are being depicted by Chris Matthews as "Little right-wing boys and little right-wing girls joining hands and singing praise for Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin." Matthews' tingly hero worship explains the MSNBC commentator projecting juvenile idolatry on hundreds of thousands of peacefully assembled Americans who were doing anything but worshiping Beck and Palin.

Reporting on the event, an acerbic media stunned by the large, God-centered turnout repeatedly played the race card and underscored the fact that few minorities were spotted in the crowd. In the run-up to the rally, hypocritical news organizations even lowered themselves to negatively grilling "Restoring Honor" speakers like Martin Luther King's niece Alveda King, the unspoken implication being that Black Americans are traitors if choosing to speak anywhere besides the Al Sharpton "We-Alone-Own-MLK rally."

The left cultivates division and then complains about a racial divide. Liberals stir up strife and then claim that minorities avoid gatherings like the "Restoring Honor" event, which was attended by hundreds of thousands of people who, regardless of race, treasure the values Martin Luther King espoused.

Chris Matthews' lies and innuendos demonstrate that the anchor believes the left has cornered the market on understanding the gravity of the injustices Black Americans suffered during a shameful period in our nation's history. Pundits like Matthews forget that just two short years ago, a largely Caucasian nation ecstatically elected America's first African-American president.

Of late, the majority is coming to the stark realization Obama's policies are bad for America, not his race. As a result, a colorblind electorate that catapulted Barack into the Oval Office is now being accused of racism because of efforts to restore lost honor and foster national harmony.

Presently, the left is frantically rooting around in a political dumpster for their last grasp of discordant power. Race baiters are emerging from the farthest recesses of a refuse heap with a crumpled, stained race card firmly in hand. Racial strife is the last great hope of the likes of political pundits whose true "nightmare" is the exercise of Constitutional freedoms giving rise to the dream of which Martin Luther King spoke and the realization that that "dream" is hindered only by those like Chris Matthews, who fear its unifying power.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/the_malignant_malice_of_chris.html

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posted August 30, 2010 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
LOL, jwhop, how's your digestion? where are all these idolators of obama's? in the american thinker's imagination for the most part. i'm sure there are some people who get carried away with themselves, that doesn't make them the norm.

i have yet to meet anyone who thinks obama is the saviour but you sure act like you think palin is. when are you going to look in the mirror?

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posted August 30, 2010 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"LOL, jwhop, how's your digestion? where are all these idolators of obama's? in the american thinker's imagination for the most part"...katatonic

You might want to rethink that katatonic.


Newsweek’s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ‘Sort of God’
By Kyle Drennen (Bio | Archive)
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 18:45 ET


Newsweek editor Evan Thomas brought adulation over President Obama’s Cairo speech to a whole new level on Friday, declaring on MSNBC: "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/06/05/newsweek-s-evan-thomas-obama-sort-god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37B_nOdRTAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srk18X804hQ&feature=related

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posted August 30, 2010 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well touche...you found a stupid person! i haven't read the article but i would be willing to bet the youtube clip is another of those isolated-probably doctored partial snippets used to make a mountain out of a molehill. but i'm only going on your past record....

anyway when the news gets out that sarah's really a russkie, we'll see how popular she remains!

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Totally with Kat on this. It's quite obvious that her and I live in a highly liberal area of the country, and I've never witnessed a single person in my day to day life demonstrating anything close to Obama worship. It's absolute nonsense.

Further, I think the article on Chris Matthews is ironic on a few points.

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Posted by Chauncey DeVega at 1:41 pm
August 30, 2010

How Glenn Beck’s Perversion of Dr. King’s Vision is Proof Positive of Orwell’s Wisdom
Article printed from speakeasy

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I am lucky to have smart friends. My circle includes historians, philosophers, economists, psychologists and biologists–just enough high headed folk to make a fun salon. After watching Glenn Beck’s abuse of history on Saturday I had to ring up a historian. Specifically, one who can connect the dots from Beck, to Hitler’s Germany, and America at the end of Empire in ways that I could not. For your enjoyment, my colleague Werner Herzog’s Bear (of the great blog I Used to be Disgusted, Now I Try to be Amused) shares his thoughts on Glenn Beck’s most recent abuse of history.

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As I am sure many of you know, Glenn “Lonesome Rhodes” Beck is holding his big rally today at the National Mall on the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s famous address to the March on Washington. In the past few weeks Mr. Beck has been defending this apparent attempt to associate himself with Dr. King by claiming rather histrionically that “black people don’t own” King, and that he somehow stands for the true meaning of the civil rights movement.

This is the latest, and perhaps most insulting of all Beck’s many flagrant abuses of the historical record. I’ve come to the conclusion that what he is doing is just nakedly Orwellian: destroy the truth in order to advance his ideological agenda. Any consideration of the actual historical record is totally absent from his musings on the past. In fact, it is irrelevent, since he seeks only to attack his enemies and try to make his extremist ideas respectable. In his renderings of history up is down and down is up: he deems the Nazis Leftists (despite the fact that socialists and communists were Hitler’s first victims), FDR a fascist (despite leading America to victory against Hitler), and his show features a dope dressed like Thomas Paine attacking the separation of church and state (even though Paine himself was a notorious unbeliever.)

Without getting into too much detail, it’s easy to see how the associations Beck is making with the civil rights movement are presposterous. In the first place, King and the SCLC grew out of a Christian tradition of social justice, something Beck himself has continually attacked on his show. His version of religion and that of King and other ministers who fought for equality could not be any different. The participants in the freedom struggle faced lynchings, cross burnings, brutal beatings, attacks by police dogs, water hoses, rape, the loss of their jobs, and had every kind of insult shouted at them. Beck’s supporters, on the other hand, are the ones hurling the insults and spittle today (just recall the mob tactics in evidence when the health care bill was passed.) There were attempts on MLK’s life before his untimely death, and his protests landed him in prison. Instead of standing with the support of a massive multimedia empire at his back, King was at the mercy of the petty whims of the bigoted Southern authorities.

King’s “I Have a Dream” speech is also notable for his embrace of non-violence and reconciliation even after enduring time in jail that same year in Birmingham. He truly believed in the Gandhian ideas of non-violent change, and in his famous speech he hopes that racial barriers can finally be broken down so that blacks and whites can live as “brothers and sisters.” Considering the violence and discrimination that King and other African-Americans were facing on a day-to-day basis, his pleas for coexistence after being subjected to such hatred were not mere empty words. If I were treated that way, I don’t think I would be able to resist the desire for revenge.

Beck, on the other hand, continually pontificates on doomsday scenarios, spreading fear and implying a violent future. His chalkboard antics purport to show shadowy forces at work undermining the nation, and implies that they must be rooted out and destroyed. His followers have been connected to acts of violence, most recently a man who decided to take down the TIDES foundation. Instead of calling for racial reconciliation he has very dishonorably whipped up white racial resentment.

This here is where things get truly Orwellian. Beck, the man who claims the mantle of a leader committed to peace and coexistence, made the flagrant statements that Barack Obama “hates white people” and “hates white culture.” I think these words say much more about Beck’s bigotry than they say anything about Obama. His preposterous claim is nothing more than an attempt to exploit the resentment and racism of whites against blacks and to craft a victimhood narrative for whites that would be laughable if its consequences weren’t so serious.

So how on earth do conservatives try to connect their movement to that for racial equality? Beck, like many other conservatives have done for years, enjoys taking one famous line from the speech out of context: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” These words are continually used to argue against affirmative action, as if that were something King was opposed to (he wasn’t.) By harping on that one line, over and over and over, which they think means that it’s wrong even to recognize race, they seek to eliminate every other thing that King himself ever said or did.

Unfortunately, Dr. King is the victim of his own great reputation. Because he has been elevated to the status of national hero (and rightfully so), the radical content of much of his message has been drained away. This in turn enables the distortions. Here’s how it works in the minds of a lot of people: “Glenn Beck is a patriot, Martin Luther King was a great American, ergo he was a patriot, therefore we’re on the same side.” The facts that King was a public opponent of the war in Vietnam, continually lectured America on the failure to live up to its high ideals, and that he was arguing very loudly for economic justice at they end of his life have been completely left out.

Of course, the reason that ideologues like Beck, who are the polar opposite of King, like to associate themselves with him is that their historical antecendents really aren’t all that appealing. Most people don’t really care for the John Birch Society, Joe McCarthy, Father Coughlin, and Strom Thurmond. Conservatives have built up a big cult behind Reagan, but the vast majority of non-consertatives don’t really hold him in high regard. As a professed libertarian, I imagine Beck would have been on the side of libertarian godfather Barry Goldwater in 1964, who voted against the Civil Rights Act. After all, it violated sacred things like private property and states rights, didn’t it? **** , Tea Party favorite Rand Paul made these arguments this year! Back then another conservative godfather, William F. Buckley, essentially argued that since whites were the superior race, there was nothing wrong with the Jim Crow South.

Ann Coulter and other conservatives have tried to rehabilitate Joe McCarthy and some of their other intellectual forebears, but Beck has gone in another direction. He has taken the much savvier, and even more morally repugnant route of claiming progressive heroes like Martin Luther King as his own, never mind the fact that they are about as different from each other as two people can get. One stood for social justice, peace, coexistence, freedom, and equality, the other stands for avarice, ignorance, opportunism, divisiveness, and bigotry. To my mind one represents that which is right with America, and the other what is so horribly wrong and getting worse in our troubled political times. You can guess who is who.


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posted September 01, 2010 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
katatonic, why are you commenting on an article and video you haven't bothered to read...or watch?

No wonder your posts don't make any sense to rational people.

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not to mention the "token King" they included in the rally to make it look like they had MLK's endorsement in the flesh - despite the anti-racist, anti-choice beliefs of this relative who was a child when king was shot...

and i have noticed that joe mccarthy has been presented as a "great american" for his witch hunt campaign that cost so many their livelihoods even when their only crime was that they KNEW someone who was SUSPECTED of being a communist. and refusing to admit OR deny being a communist was enough to get blacklisted then too. so american. i wonder did mccarthy's forebears come from salem?

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rational people, jwhop? why are YOU dragging out rehashes of tv commentaries from last year, is that out of rationalism?

i don't consider anyone who calls human beings "god" to be rational or worth reading. however for your sake i went back and read the article. i am not interested in silly reporters' summations of other people's speeches and impressions.

yesterday i had hannity on the radio for 3 minutes in which he had a caller talking about the "goosebumps" he got at hannity's rallies, thinking about how wonderful americans can be and all the good hannity is doing, and how HUMBLE hannity is, and on and on and on...3 minutes can be a very long time on fox radio!

so because some idiot thinks hannity is the epitome of all that's good in america, you know, like sarah palin, whose book title echoes the "mom, church and apple pie" stereotype...does that mean that hannity is a dangerous character pretending to be divine? no it just means there are stupid people everywhere!

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posted September 01, 2010 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Unfortunately for the communists and their "useful idiot" fellow travelers, Joe McCarthy was right.

When you have time in your busy schedule of spreading false stories katatonic; you would do well to have a look at the Verona Papers from the archives of US Intelligence and verified by the opened files of the old Soviet Union...which identifed Soviet Agents (past tense) in the government of the United States.

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Face it katatonic; leftists need an idol to worship and O'Bomber is it at the moment.

Just listening to O'Bomber makes Chris Matthews legs tingle.

On the other hand, I don't recall anyone calling Hannity...or Beck...or Limbaugh..God.

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posted September 01, 2010 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
didn't we just send some soviet agents home in exchange for american agents who had been planted in the russian govt? what exactly are you saying, jwhop, that the fact that countries have spies means its okay to isolate and humiliate and relegate whole sections of the community because they adhere to their right to privacy in the face of invasive questioning and stigmatization?

no mccarthy was NOT right. he was directing a WITCH HUNT which is contrary to the basic tenets of the constitution and the justice system. innocent till proven guilty. the right to one's own beliefs.

these people were not traitors and most were not communists either, CERTAINLY not spies or ennablers of spies. the nature of spies is they do NOT confide their position to their friends or the public. what is it you don't get about how wrongheaded the whole "UNAMERICAN" thing was?

when the germans did it to the jews it was inhuman and fascistic. when mccarthy did it to SUSPECTED communists it was as american as apple pie? (which by the way is no american invention)

once more your double standard is showing, darling.

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posted September 02, 2010 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Bashing Glenn Beck has become a leftist obsession. And why not? Beck routinely rips the leftist's principal idol...their Messiah, Barack Hussein O'Bomber and the "comrades" with whom O'Bomber has surrounded himself.

Beck has even gone so far as to delve into the leftist Messiah's religion...Black Liberation Theology which cannot in any way be said to be a "Christian" denomination.

Christian:

of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.

of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ

exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike

a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.

a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ

In other words...a follower of Jesus Christ.

So, how do the principles and teachings of Black Liberation Theology relate to Christians and Christianity...followers of Jesus Christ?

In no way whatsoever!

James Cone...founder of Black Liberation Theology which is really a Marxist Communist attempt to penetrate religion says....

"What need have we for a white Jesus when we are not white but black? If Jesus Christ is white and not black, he is an oppressor, and we must kill him. The appearance of black theology means that the black community is now ready to do something about the white Jesus, so that he cannot get in the way of our revolution "

That's right...according to James Cone...if Jesus is white and not black...then they must kill Jesus.

September 02, 2010
Beck's 'Obsession' with Black Liberation Theology Thoroughly Justified
By Kyle-Anne Shiver

You know liberals are scared whenever they use the O-word -- "obsession" -- to smear a conservative's effectiveness in an important argument. So when the Los Angeles Times published an editorial yesterday by Tim Rutten called "Glenn Beck's Liberation Theology Obsession," I was quite intrigued.

Since I spent a whole year studying James H. Cone's Black Liberation Theology in the context of Latin America's liberation theology developed within the Catholic Church, I was quite curious to see what an esteemed LA Times columnist had to say about Beck's so-called "obsession."

After reading Tim Rutten's column, I must admit I was completely flummoxed. How could someone with such an impressive bio write such errant tripe and get paid big bucks for it? Only in Obama's America, folks.

So, in the interest of public enlightenment, I'll just throw a few substantiated facts into this little fray, which will demonstrate to anyone with a grain of Christian education exactly why Beck's "obsession" with Black Liberation Theology is indeed thoroughly justified.

First off, our esteemed Mr. Rutten makes the astonishing claim that there is no "evidence" that ties our current president to Black Liberation Theology. It's an astonishing claim because the only theology to which Barack Obama has ever been exposed (outside the Muslim training of his youth) is indeed Black Liberation Theology.

Wise observers already know this. But for the record, let's remember that Barack Obama was raised by an anthropologist mother who openly disdained the "bitter clingers" of religion.

In Barack's own words, from his chapter on "Faith" in The Audacity of Hope (page 204), speaking of his mother's teachings on religion:

Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways -- and not necessarily the best way -- that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.

Writing on "Faith," in The Audacity of Hope, Barack Obama went to great lengths to explain that his own "conversion" was enabled not by orthodox Christian awakening, but by the explicitly political nature of the Black Liberation Theology preached by Jeremiah Wright, Jr. And the thrust of Obama's entire chapter on faith in his own book was to show how his own liberation theology should not frighten secular progressives because it bore little to no resemblance to the religion of those Bible Belt "bitter clingers." And as observant Americans know well, Barack Obama was so ardent a follower of Jeremiah Wright's brand of Christianity that he named his book after a Wright sermon, The Audacity of Hope. While it is true that Barack Obama never (that I know of) used the explicit words "Black Liberation Theology" in his speeches or his books, everything about his claims to faith in his writing, his speeches, and his current actions as president is filled with the tenets of this fringe system of beliefs.


And what was that "hope" to which Wright referred? It was not the hope of individual salvation, which is the bedrock of orthodox Christian belief. No, Wright's hope, the same hope where Barack Obama found his "conversion," was in "collective redemption" through a political, material redistribution of power and wealth from the "white oppressors" to the "black oppressed." Quite contrary to Mr. Rutten's assertion that no "evidence" ties Barack Obama to liberation theology, Obama himself has used the phrase "collective redemption" regularly.

When Jeremiah Wright, Jr. was a guest with Sean Hannity in March 2007, the Reverend Wright waxed eloquent on his devotion to Black Liberation Theology. When Hannity asked Wright to explain the "black value system" to which his congregants were asked to pledge allegiance, Wright used Black Liberation Theology as his explanation:

If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, (inaudible) black liberation theology, that started with Jim Cone in 1968, and the writings of Cone ...

Wright went on to badger Hannity about his apparent lack of familiarity with Cone's Black Liberation Theology, saying that if anyone wanted to understand Trinity United Church of Christ and its particular brand of "black value system" Christianity, then a thorough understanding of Cone's writings was necessary.

Well, I was so intrigued that as Barack Obama was about to seal the Democrats' nomination for the presidency, I went to Chicago and visited Trinity myself, heard Jeremiah Wright, spent time in the church bookstore, and returned home with my own stack of Cone's books. If only Mr. Rutten had done likewise, he might have wisely steered clear of the topic altogether. Instead, he has dug himself into a pit of theological quicksand.

Contrary to Mr. Rutten's assertion that Cone is not, as Beck has stated, "one of the founders of Black Liberation Theology," the truth is that Cone credits himself with being "the founder." When NPR (perhaps Mr. Rutten has heard of this outfit) interviewed James H. Cone in March, 2008, as the founder of Black Liberation Theology, Cone was attempting to put a genial spin on Jeremiah Wright's "G*d-damn[ing]" America from his "Christian" pulpit. Cone's books belie that spin, however.

As Wright was never coy in his hate for "white oppressors" in America, neither is Wright's mentor, James H. Cone.

Cone, writing in Black Theology and Black Power:

"Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man's depravity. God cannot be white, even though white churches have portrayed him as white" (p. 150).

"The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us" (p. 150).

"Negro hatred of white people is not pathological -- far from it. It is a healthy human reaction to oppression, insult, and terror. White people are often surprised at the Negro's hatred of them, but it should not be surprising" (p. 14).

Cone, writing in God of the Oppressed:

"Black people must be aware of the extreme dangers of speaking too lightly of reconciliation with whites. Just because we work with them and sometimes worship alongside them should be no reason to claim that they are truly Christian and thus part of our struggle" (p. 222).

Cone, writing in Speaking the Truth:

"Liberation is not simply a consequence of the experience of sanctification. Rather, sanctification is liberation. To be sanctified is to be liberated -- that is politically engaged in the struggle of freedom. When sanctification is defined a s a commitment to the historical struggle for political liberation, then it is possible to connect it with socialism and Marxism, the reconstruction of society on the basis of freedom and justice for all" (p. 33).


And Cone, writing in A Black Theology of Liberation:

What need have we for a white Jesus when we are not white but black? If Jesus Christ is white and not black, he is an oppressor, and we must kill him. The appearance of black theology means that the black community is now ready to do something about the white Jesus, so that he cannot get in the way of our revolution" (p. 111).

Now, Mr. Rutten rightly asserts that the original liberation theology sprouted within Catholicism during the 1960s in Latin America, but he strangely omits the fact that both Pope John Paul II and now Pope Benedict XVI have strenuously denounced all liberation theologies as purely political perversions of the Catholic faith, which are inherently intertwined with Marxism (as Cone's quote above reiterates).

Mr. Rutten claims that Glenn Beck has condemned liberation theology as "demonic." While Rutten gives us no Beck source for his claim, I happen to know the source of the "demonic" quote quite well, since I'm the first person to have unearthed it, and I used it in a column I wrote in February 2008, "Obama's Politics of Collective Redemption."

"Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic."

The original quote comes from the book Truth and Tolerance, p. 116, written by Pope Benedict XVI when he was still Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (2003). Writing under a sub-heading, "The Crisis for Liberation Theology," the Cardinal is expounding upon the failure of Marxism and all the liberation theologies that came from it. He goes to great length explaining Marxist liberation theology as man's eternal quest to grapple with real "poverty, oppression, unjust domination of every kind, the suffering of the righteous and of the innocent" as these are "the signs of the times -- in every age."

In man's attempt to make sense of a suffering world that seems not "to correspond to a good God," there arose in the 20th century a political ideology which joined itself to Christian language and seemingly Christian precepts. The only thing Cone did -- and he admits this himself -- was to join Latin American liberation theology with the black power political movement in the United States.

And anyone who had taken the trouble to visit Trinity United Church of Christ would have known all about it prior to the election of 2008. But as we know now, liberal journalists actually conspired to hide this story from public view and do all they could to help Barack Obama bamboozle the American public, using his Wright-mentored "Christianity" in a bold gambit to close the God-gap among voters.

That Glenn Beck is now reviving this issue and spreading a little truth on Obama's bold religious claims makes liberals understandably nervous. And it would take a ninny living under a rock in Los Angeles not to have noticed that the only church at which Barack Obama has ever -- before or since -- regularly worshiped was the one that unabashedly preached nothing but Black Liberation Theology
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/becks_obsession_with_black_lib.html

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