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PlutoSquared
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posted December 03, 2010 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Katatonic, I'm sure he'll be back. Randall will likely let anyone back after a little while...

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BearsArcher
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posted December 03, 2010 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat,

I believe that Randall answered the question as to why PDF was banned. It was due to a private matter between Randall and PDF and no information was provided, because it was private. We have no idea what PDF said offline to Randall. Maybe you could as PDF or as Ami to have PDF email you in order to find out what happened from PDF's view?

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posted December 03, 2010 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops... DP

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teasel
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posted December 03, 2010 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PDF said he has never spoken to Randall privately.

I said I wasn't coming back either, and have avoided most forums. I just took a peek in here and found this. PDF has angered me at times, with the way he has spoken to Ami, and certain things he's done - I was surprised he wasn't banned when he posted personal information, a few months ago, in a thread that I emailed to LaLa, to be removed (which she quickly took care of), and I told him that it was out of line.

I didn't think that Pluto had anything to do with his banning, I just wondered what was going on, because I didn't see anything worthy of banning (unless a thread was deleted). If he hasn't spoken to Randall privately, then I don't see what the problem is, since he didn't do anything.

I feel sad, because I don't feel comfortable coming here anymore, and I also feel uncomfortable talking to anyone away from the boards, in case someone is blamed for this and that, and who said what? Who can be trusted. Ugh.

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teasel
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posted December 03, 2010 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(I've only posted here, to explain why I asked, last night - I'm not looking for an answer as to what happened.)

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Randall
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posted December 03, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an entertaining string, but it's a waste of time if on PDF's behalf. He planned on going out in a blaze of glory like Purple did, and so you might say he asked to get banned, just as she did. I just stopped him before he did it. So, all of the speculation by Kat and others is really a moot point.

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posted December 03, 2010 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm sorry but

1) as far as i'm concerned this is not really about PDF.

2) i have not been speculating, i have been TRYING TO AVOID SPECULATING by asking out front what happened.

3) this is the LAST time i am going to say this is NOT ABOUT protecting people i prefer from other people. in fact it is not about people's personalities at all.

that is why this thread is about Political Correctness, not Why PDF Left.

so randall, if i spend tonight indulging myself in fantasies of how i will make a media splash by shouting from the empire state building that rush limbaugh not only is a lying self-serving greedy ba'tard but that i am sure he uses "112" (have you heard of this new product) that entitles limbaugh to have me arrested for slander? because i was THINKING about how NICE it would be to ruin his rep?

i would think that telling you that would be his way of getting himself banned, and THIS is speculation, he surely didn't expect you to sit still and let him do it, d'you think?

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posted December 03, 2010 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PDF is quite capable of getting banned all by his lonesome!

teasel, I was quite surprised his antics didn`t get him banned before this too . The personal info published & abusive behavior is not to be confused with humor.

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posted December 03, 2010 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
juni not once have i said that PDF should not have been banned. i have not seen anything personal published by him, though valus did and was not banned for it; i have often thought his comments were abusive and in fact others complained about him but he was not banned.

PDF is NOT the issue. political correctness, as the thread announces, is.

in any case i am thoroughly sick of talking about it so thanks all for enduring.

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posted December 03, 2010 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I give people chances before banning, and I get criticized. And I ban quickly, and I get criticized. This is s tough job. I agree that PDF should have been gone long ago. I wasn't aware about the posting of personal information, as my Mod, Lala, did a great job and deleted it. But yeah, that type of defamation definitely will not be allowed here.

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posted December 03, 2010 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems to me just about everyone`s last nerve is hit.

Kat, you did mention PDF so it appears to me that`s why you were answered about him in the way you were. It looks like Randall gave his answer so we move on,

Take it back to the threads title and say what`s on your mind I am listening!

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PlutoSquared
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posted December 03, 2010 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...it fails to understand ANY NUANCE of human interaction, what the INTENT of the "offensive" words might have been.

I do agree with this statement in the sense that it's important to not boil things down to simplicity and remove Nuance from human interactions.

However, there are truly abusive people out there, and we would be wasting a lot of time and patience on every a-hole looking for depth of character and meaning from every trivial abusive thing they say.

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posted December 03, 2010 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
perhaps you are misunderstanding who is the victim here, PS. it is adam who was summarily dismissed for no apparent reason. was it because of what he said to ami? has he been warned? do any remaining members have a guideline as to how he crossed the line?


I'm sorry if I misunderstood Kat. I thought you were asking about PDF (whom I assume is Adam?).

teasel,

Please don't leave. You are awesome and have so many valuable contributions. I'm sorry you are feeling the way you do. There are also many things I feel that I just don't know. I really didn't know PDF other than from a few posts nor did I really know the people that left or asked to be banned.

However, I was here when we had that huge blow out about 4 or 5 years ago. One of my good friends was banned and I was ticked at first, until I learned what really happened. He confessed he did something to the site that was inexcusable. I stopped talking to him after that. Sometimes what we see isn't what always is. I also think that when people share things off site that is where it should stay.

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Randall
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posted December 03, 2010 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pretty much if you mean harm to the site, you will receive no mercy from me; nor do you deserve any. THAT is the line that once crossed is the point of no return. There's nothing wrong with disagreements, since it would be impossible (and boring) for all of us to agree on everything. But in our disagreement, don't be personally insulting. For example. we had a member a few years back who lost his temper at Bears and insulted her Native American heritage. I gave one warning. He did it again. I had no choice but to ban him, and he was a very popular person. Sometimes, I have to make the unpopular decisions in order to do the right thing. Racism is an abomination. Every decision I make is with the protection of Lindaland in mind.

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posted December 03, 2010 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teasel,

It's sad that anyone would feel uncomfortable coming here. That is why I apologized to the group, last week.

I am not here to drive anyone out. I feel bad that my "booming intense" personality scorched some people to the point of leaving... but, in that moment I felt that I needed to protect Randall.

There were also a few weeks of not understanding what was going on here with dynamics and personalities.

Anyways, I hope that you won't feel uncomfortable and that you will continue to post. I have started to understand you and your friends a bit better, and hope that you would continue to allow me to...

Anyways. Good luck to you, regardless.

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posted December 03, 2010 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow firecracker, thanks a ton.

Arrived today and as you said, he's full of it.

Annoys the hell out of my cat. Everytime he starts loading up the soundwaves with his BS old Sylvester hisses and spits.

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BearsArcher
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posted December 04, 2010 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee hee.. I love it jwhop!!!

I do believe our feline residents feel the same way. No wonder they stay on the other side of the house when Odumbo is on the news.

I hope you are well. Miss you!

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posted December 04, 2010 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just want to say


@randall - yes, i am sorry for not being more sensitive to the position YOU are in,..i would not want to have to wield the axe, so to speak, and i recognize that it IS a very hard job, drawing lines in the sand can bring out the challenger in a lot of people and NOT drawing lines in the sand means no one knows what is too much.

@the ladies; sorry if discussing PDF confused the issue. his was the "case" that sparked the topic of Political Correctness, so yes i did refer to it but the point was never about PDF PERSONALLY, except in the most coincidental manner.

i still have a problem with political correctness, though i have no problem with basic manners...i think these two issues have a very fuzzy line between them though! as has been demonstrated on this site over the last couple of weeks!

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posted December 04, 2010 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BearsArcher, you've been missed.

Give my best regards to Bear the Leo.

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posted December 04, 2010 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat, I understand what you are saying here and this is how I view it.

Politically Correct is often misused in the strictest sence of the term and does not imply manners per se.


Good manners is NOT calling some one an idiot but has nothing to do with P.C.

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, disability, and age-related contexts.

(wikipedia) ^

Good manners would be extending kindness, courtesy and good will. And that is what we are sorely lacking around here lately rather than P.C!!!..

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posted December 04, 2010 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's okay, katatonic. I love you, and I know you mean well. It pains me to wield the axe. I take no pleasure in it.

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posted December 05, 2010 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for firecracker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 05, 2010 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for firecracker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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PlutoSquared
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posted December 05, 2010 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Secrets are not "politically correct" Firecracker! Grrrr... haha

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BearsArcher
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posted December 06, 2010 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you jwhop. I have missed being here and reading your commentary. I decided to take 8 week psych classes while waiting to get a position on post (I got it and now I'm waiting for the background check) and they were pretty intense- 16 weeks of classes crammed into 8 weeks. Needless to say, my time was pretty occupied.

Bear says HI. He's been busy with the field training (he's in charge of all the field exercises out here for the Soldiers) and with us getting settled. It's so good to be back home

Kat,

I hear ya. I'm not the best at being PC and have to learn to edit myself which has not been easy. LOL...

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