posted December 06, 2010 03:22 PM            

Katatonic,

What is the difference between voicing an opinion and being abusive, in your opinion?

posted December 06, 2010 04:36 PM            

it is the difference, say, between me saying to you "i think that is a very naive statement" and "you are an idiot".

it is the difference between saying, "i don't like the way you're handling this" and "you must be a braindead commie if you say that"

basically it is the difference between objecting to a thought or action - and belittling the person who expressed them.

posted December 06, 2010 04:41 PM            

BUT... What about things like... who said "the nasty thing" first?

Like, for instance, last night someone called me the most deviant, satanic poisonous person on the planet...

And, I then called them an idiot...

posted December 06, 2010 04:53 PM            

I sometimes can't help but kick someone in the nuts when they address me that way.

posted December 06, 2010 05:02 PM            

Sure, my Saturn return gave me a big "stop"... but never anything of value other than being like a "pee on" for other more dominant people...

I never felt like an enlightened guru...

posted December 06, 2010 05:12 PM            

Perhaps not our baser selves. We are humans with the ability to rise above the "instinct" that drives the animal kingdom,yes?

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posted December 06, 2010 05:16 PM            

Perhaps not our baser selves. We are humans with the ability to rise above the "instinct" that drives the animal kingdom,yes?

Yes, for sure. But we are still part of the animal kingdom. This world operates on base drive... just look at the way we handle sex, wealth, power, etc...

I mean, look at practically every peaceful group, even the buddhists were driven from their own country.

posted December 06, 2010 05:45 PM            

But, honestly, I'd rather battle it out with words here than otherwise...

THIS WORLD is a scary place, right now

posted December 06, 2010 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Juniperb,

Perhaps not our baser selves. We are humans with the ability to rise above the "instinct" that drives the animal kingdom,yes?

Yes, for sure. But we are still part of the animal kingdom. This world operates on base drive... just look at the way we handle sex, wealth, power, etc...

I mean, look at practically every peaceful group, even the buddhists were driven from their own country.

It just seems to me that when we deny our "base instincts" to survive, and protect, and battle... we're left vulnerable to other stronger types, that don't really give a crap about "astrology" or any other kind of "enlightenment".

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Well I think this is the real matter around here lately. this place, < correct me anyone if I am wrong, is a place where knowflakes can expose their vulnerable parts and still be understood. because all of us strive to get to know our best selves, not that we manage, but there is an intention>

there is some who manage to do it from day 1 when they join, there are some who struggle to show their best selves (I am one of those but also, pire means worst in french, so anyone speaking french is a bit warned )and some don't seem to get a grip of this idea, at least that is how it appears to my "worst" self. (pun intended)

but anyway, I pointed out political correctness because there seems to be a lot of fakeness (to my eyes), and to me it's ok if... if it's temporary, everything is good, mistakes are not mistakes when they serve a purpose, or they are still a mistake but you get my drift I hope)

and when people are just enjoying the love given by others, when they believe that to love you just have to post some red hearts everywhere, they are misled. either misled in thinking that the expression of love is love itself, or they are misled in thinking that other people's love is similar to the depth of their love (or lack of it).

and I think the moment when all this become threatening to what I believe this place is supposed to be (feel free to disagree, but bear in mind that I regard this place with the highest esteem- which is also why I can't support to be asked to leave it if I am not happy with it), so when it become threatening is when this emptiness of feelings replaces the real (and imperfect) efforts that have been put in this community to keep its meaningful love and values.

that is why I don't mind when superficial feelings are expressed but I do mind (if I am allowed ) when the superfial feeling become the value that dominates.

it takes time to know the place, but I think things changed very dramatically in what appear to have been a very short time. but here nothing is lost, when I say things have changed it's neither good or bad, and neither big nor small, but as it happened, a few things changed and may be the fact that they happened at the same time just put a lot of pressure on it. exemple? randall didn't post much before, at the same time, you joined and do seem to have quite a bit of a colourful personnality (it's all good) but also at the same time more and more superficial feeling were being posted all around the place (I think Ami plays a role in it), at the same time, people like me who are struggling to get their message across in a nice way because they can't be bothered to write long detailed point of view and summarise it in one "killer" sentence but (with still a very sharp hindsight in it which is not the case of all the people who do) well people like me are responsible for making newer members believe this is possible, tolerated, also add to this the freedom that the new forum brings with the depth of its topic and a lot changes. and if on top of that, for some reasons that do not belong to any of us, the times are changing and older knowflakes question themseleves and their purpose in this new environment, then you have a storm wainting to explode.

it's a difficult situation if anyone is looking for THE reason and THE solution. there are many. and this place is meant to live this dilema often because it is based on freedom, it is based on diversity. it is what is so interesting (as far as I can see)

and that is why politically correctness is very dangerous in here, especially in here, even more than where depth is not the main focus.

posted December 06, 2010 06:29 PM            

I would like to get to the very soft, genuine and comfortable side of lindaland, too... but, I don't know if that is possible considering the aftershocks are still going on...

posted December 06, 2010 06:35 PM            

mwuahhaaahhhaaa

but I can laugh about it

posted December 06, 2010 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
sure, we'll do, although I must warn you I am not pleasant on a day to day basis. I don't reply to post, I am cold, even with those I like. in fact I like to scare people away

mwuahhaaahhhaaa

but I can laugh about it

ps as ps and as PS, colourful IS good in my mouth!

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posted December 06, 2010 06:51 PM            

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posted December 06, 2010 06:58 PM            

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted December 06, 2010 07:20 PM            

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted December 06, 2010 10:31 PM            

@PS re retaliating to being called a poison whatever, sure, and it can be fun to get down in the dirt, but that just escalates it. so up to you, keep it going? for what?