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Topic: The Dangers of Being "Politically Correct"
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PlutoSquared
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posted December 02, 2010 10:48 PM
  
To be continued...IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted December 02, 2010 10:51 PM
A member said:Nevermind. Edited for privacy. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted December 02, 2010 11:02 PM
PlutoSquared, since I am quoted here, and for the sake of the discussion, could you edit your post so only the parts relevant to the topic are left, please.something like this: quote:
my first comment, was that political correctness is a danger,and the second comment was an anticipation of such a political correctness. and as I expected, some brave souls (*ironic*) would raise the banner of rights for the weakest now I can explain why I think politcal correctness is a danger, but not in this thread, it would not be appropriate I suppose. (...) one last thing about political correctness, if there is no dark, there is no light
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PlutoSquared
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posted December 02, 2010 11:03 PM
It has been brought to my attention that saying things like "Abuse is wrong" and "Abuse is not love" akin to being "Politically correct".It has also been brought to my attention that there are some dangers of being "politically correct"... None have been mentioned specifically, but I'd like to open this thread anyhow to discuss the issue.
What dangers could be present in saying "abuse is wrong" in a situation where a man is demeaning a woman in public?
I honestly can't think of any dangers to defending anyone against verbal abuse. Even Jesus Christ saved a sinning woman, a prostitute from being stoned to death by her village. Was Jesus "politically correct"? Or, was he just RIGHT to gesture that it was wrong of us to cast judgement? IP: Logged |
pire
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posted December 02, 2010 11:03 PM
wow, that was quick (the editing I mean)IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted December 02, 2010 11:12 PM
Maybe one danger of defending a woman from verbal abuse is the chance of inviting the other party's abuse onto themselves...As in the other party gets upset, and instead of verbally abusing the woman, decide to abuse the person who has come in defense. Another danger might be, that the woman who is being defended has behaved in a manipulative manner and somehow allowed and, at worst, encouraged the man to abuse her, and thus to play off of other's sympathy, or perhaps even the man's sympathy... But, even in this case, the simple correction of saying that "abuse is wrong" would stand only as an example to both parties. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 02, 2010 11:16 PM
Yeah, Pire, I noticed what you mentioned before, quick... feel free to edit your comments however you want to... don't feel that you HAVE to participate in this thread. I want honest and blunt opinions. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted December 02, 2010 11:26 PM
I can't think of any dangers to anyone specifically in being "politically correct" regarding abuse...I feel that any abuse, verbal, physical, mental, emotional is unjustifiable - even towards the lowest, scum of the earth.
Maybe the man in this situation is somewhat helpless to get himself out of an uncomfortable situation with a woman he does not love or trust...
Should he set a boundary? As in refuse to speak to her? OR, Continue to demean and insult the woman in hopes that he will break her determination, and thus rid himself of contact with her? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 03, 2010 11:20 AM
perhaps you are misunderstanding who is the victim here, PS. it is adam who was summarily dismissed for no apparent reason. was it because of what he said to ami? has he been warned? do any remaining members have a guideline as to how he crossed the line? or perhaps you are just misunderstanding pire. in the other thread you went on about his believing women should be abused, when he made that remark out of a desire to shock...and as a joke! this is the danger of political correctness...it fails to understand ANY NUANCE of human interaction, what the INTENT of the "offensive" words might have been. please, if i am going to come back to LL at all anymore, tell me WHAT AM I ALLOWED TO SAY HERE AND WHAT IS FORBIDDEN? are consenting adults to be imprisoned for having "unhealthy" relationships? isn't that what a large percentage of this country thinks about gays? that they are unhealthy and should therefore not have the right to make their own decisions? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 03, 2010 11:24 AM
so the danger of political correctness, if i may speak for pire as well as myself, is that in the attempt to be fair and nice to everyone, SO MANY THINGS MUST NOT BE SAID LEST SOMEONE misunderstand and be offended...that eventually we will be able to discuss ONLY the weather and people's birthdays. not very good mental exercise or basis for mutual understanding in either subject.IP: Logged |
emitres
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posted December 03, 2010 11:31 AM
political correctness is a joke - it's simply a way and means for people to mask their true intentions and thoughts...
they'll still tell you to "go to hell" but in such a way that you think it's for your
own benefit... i kinda have to agree with kat - not for
myself but for others here who are more
outspoken and brutally honest... some of
us appreciate knowing exactly where that member stands... being PC all the time can interfere with that ------------------
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emitres
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posted December 03, 2010 11:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by pire:
now I can explain why I think politcal correctness is a danger, but not in this thread, it would not be appropriate I suppose. (...)
i respectfully disagree pire - i think
this is a very appropriate thread, based
on what i read that wasn't edited  ------------------
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PlutoSquared
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From: Mars
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 03, 2010 12:35 PM
Well, Katatonic,When PDF was "banned" I had no idea what was going on... in fact, I considered maybe he asked to be banned. Shows you how much I was involved... So, please don't get angry with me about it... IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted December 03, 2010 12:37 PM
being PC all the time can interfere with that...I think honesty is a good thing, but it can get to a point where it's shameful and uncomfortable for others to watch... Just like PDF's constant "joking" with Ami... But, what the heck, she won't fight for herself, so I'm not going to either, anymore.
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PlutoSquared
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posted December 03, 2010 12:42 PM
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firecracker
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posted December 03, 2010 12:52 PM
some people are very comfortable being the victim. pointing that out may not be politally correct.
i would rather have someone tell me the truth, than blow smoke up my as$ any day of the week. even if the truth hurts.and then there is always delusion, isn't there? dammit!!!!! i said i wasn't coming back here. well, i can't waste a trip in gu, hi jwhops, me love you long time....give em hell till the cows come home buddy. IP: Logged |
firecracker
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posted December 03, 2010 01:01 PM
in fact, in the spirit of my good buddy jwhops, i will say, some poeple need to take both hands, spread apart their butt and pull their f-in head out.i have no interest in politically correct friends. fake ass people don't interest me. those are just people you know, not freinds. i know i can be a jerk, but i can be quite wondferful too and i love me even when i am wrong, as i would rather be wrong with passion than be a wet f-in noodle slapped on a wall to see if i am done. IP: Logged |
firecracker
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posted December 03, 2010 01:02 PM
BTW jwhops, your o'bomber doll is in the mail for christmas, just pull the string and hear a lie. you are going to LOVE It.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted December 03, 2010 01:10 PM
I would PERSONALLY like it to have friends who were loyal and NICE, not FAKE, not constantly argumentative either.IP: Logged |
firecracker
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posted December 03, 2010 01:16 PM
there is a difference between having quite a temper and being constantly arguementive. its really all relative....those in the know, KNOW..so....
onward and upward....peace out lala-land.IP: Logged |
pire
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posted December 03, 2010 01:36 PM
emitres, I made the comment about the thread not being appropriate in the other thread. where the debate started. what is posted in this one is just a quote. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted December 03, 2010 01:46 PM
kat, you got me 
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emitres
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posted December 03, 2010 02:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I think honesty is a good thing, but it can get to a point where it's shameful and uncomfortable for others to watch...
yes.. i can agree with you on that... but
there has to be a point where the
honesty is no longer "honest" for that to happen... it evolves ( devolves perhaps a better word ) into demeaning, vulgar behavior... one always has the choice to walk away from it - which doesn't happen nearly often enough... keeping in mind that "politically correct" was a way to minimize prejudical, racist, sexist words and comments from being tossed about casually and always with the secret hope of reforming forementioned persons...
it didn't - all it did was create a shield where the rest of could no longer really see their true colours... firecracker is bang on... ------------------
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emitres
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posted December 03, 2010 02:19 PM
sorry pire.. tried to reply to you but odd things are happening with connection here... ------------------
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katatonic
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posted December 03, 2010 02:33 PM
When PDF was "banned" I had no idea what was going on... in fact, I considered maybe he asked to be banned.Shows you how much I was involved... again, PS, i am not blaming you for pdf's banning. what i am talking about is that NO ONE, involved or not, has a clue why he was banned. so NO ONE really has any idea if they might be next, to say something that causes offense and get banned without knowing why. this is political correctness taken to the extreme and put through a warp did you wear the right colour shoes today? is it anyone's business but yours? if you got banned right now, or i did, would you know what for? if no one even bothered to tell you? IP: Logged |
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