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Topic: Another Long Nosed Busy Body Meddler
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2846 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 08:36 AM
As in Michelle O'Bomber and the public appreciates Michelle's meddling just like her husbands meddling in their lives, as in...not at all!Most Americans oppose Michelle Obama’s Healthy Hunger-free Kids Act By Jeff Winkler | Published: 10:53 AM 12/17/2010 | Updated: 1:58 PM 12/17/2010 A significant percentage Americans oppose the Healthy Hunger-free Kids Act pushed by First Lady Michelle Obama and signed into law by President Barack Obama signed on Monday.
Among other things, the $4.6 billion law allows the USDA to set nutritional standards for foods made and sold in schools; increases the number of children who qualify for school meal programs, and “sets basic standards for school wellness policies including goals for nutrition promotion and education and physical activity.” According to a new Rasmussen poll, however, [b]only 23 percent of those surveyed think the federal government should have a direct role in setting the nutritional standards for public schools. As the act was pushed through Congress, both Michelle Obama and Nancy Pelosi stressed the need for the new regulations, saying that childhood obesity was not only a “economic threat,” but a “national security issue” as well. While recent polls show that Americans are concerned about issues of obesity in the country, 51 percent failed to see the threat to national security.... http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/17/most-americans-oppose-michelle-obamas-healthy-hunger-free-kids-act/ IP: Logged |
emitres Moderator Posts: 209 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 20, 2010 08:54 AM
boy... americans sure find a lot of things to b!tch about don't know that i'd go so far as to call obesity a security threat however... obesity is a very real, valid concern within north america ( canada included ) - so is the complaint that the gov't is spending money to fix the problem, or that the gov't is saying it's an issue to begin with? ------------------ If you pull it too tightly, the string will break. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2846 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 20, 2010 09:32 AM
No, people are saying the feds should mind their own business....do the things the constitution gives the government authority over...and shut the hell up about the rest.Michelle Obama on Deciding What Kids Eat: ‘We Can’t Just Leave it Up to The Parents' Monday, December 13, 2010 By Penny Starr http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michelle-obama-45-billion-child-nutritio IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6040 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 20, 2010 11:39 AM
congress shall make laws to serve the general welfare (paraphrase)... open to interpretation, as usual with the constitution...IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2846 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 20, 2010 12:25 PM
No paraphrasing needed here."The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly Moderator Posts: 2168 From: Gaia Registered: Apr 2010
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posted December 20, 2010 01:25 PM
Well it's definitely a problem...I have heard, and perhaps Bears or Bear himself can chime in here, that the military is having a hard time with recruits being obese. IP: Logged |
BearsArcher Moderator Posts: 560 From: Arizona with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2010
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posted December 20, 2010 01:31 PM
The Military has issues with Soldiers becoming overweight or trying to join while overweight, however, they are not allowed into the Military until they make and maintain weight. They have PT (Physical Training) tests that monitor weight, BMI and physical endurance that are set based on age (Bear has his test tomorrow). If a Soldier does not pass the PT test, they are then given a certain amount of time and tested again. If they fail a second time, then they are sent to a nutritionist. After the 3rd failure, they begin proceedings to put them out of the Army. Also, they will not get promoted or the promotion is put on hold until they pass the PT test (or don't pass and end up being discharged). The Army (I am not familiar with all the other branches) does not tell a Soldier what to eat or how much to eat (unless they are in the field and only have access to MRE's) so that it is up to the Soldier to maintain their appearance / standards. Failure to do so is a ticket to Fort Living Room (out of the Army). BUT.. they do have PT every morning. Bear is up at 0430 and gets home around 0630 to shower and change before going back to his duty day. IP: Logged |
emitres Moderator Posts: 209 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 20, 2010 09:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: No, people are saying the feds should mind their own business...
the welfare of the people of the nation IS gov't business - on so many different levels... keep in mind that statistically speaking obese children generally become grossly obese adults who can have a stunning array of difficulties - physical health issues being chief among them... i didn't read that Michelle Obama was going to procceed to dictate what parents fed their children at home - only what SCHOOLS should provide... [ ...the $4.6 billion law allows the USDA to set nutritional standards for foods made and sold in schools; increases the number of children who qualify for school meal programs, and “sets basic standards for school wellness policies including goals for nutrition promotion and education and physical activity.”] seriously jwhop... give me something else ------------------ If you pull it too tightly, the string will break. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2846 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2010 01:28 AM
"the welfare of the people of the nation IS gov't business - on so many different levels"Meddling in the private lives of citizens is NOT the job of the federal government emitres. Promoting the "general welfare" does not equate to providing things for citizens or telling them how to lead their lives. Further, public education is in the purview of the several states...AND there's not one word in the constitution giving the feds any authority over public education...including mandating the meal menus.
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1126 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2010 08:51 AM
Obviously some people have not seen the horrendous juvenile obesity statistics.The only mandate[s] in the offing are to provide better nutrition at school cafeterias. at school!! And to educate parents about making better choices nutritionally for their progeny. Demonizing Ms Obama for her efforts to educate parents, and provide students with menu items offering better nutrition is ludicrous at best. IP: Logged |
emitres Moderator Posts: 209 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 23, 2010 09:18 AM
sorry jwhop - telling a PUBLIC school board what cafeteria meals to offer hardly qualifies as meddling in the live of private citizens... come talk to me when they start going door to door to homes and i may be inclined to agree with youwhat i find somewhat disturbing is the lack of recognition that food addictions get as a disease - would people have the same distorted opinion if Michelle Obama was campaigning against drug abuse? under-age drinking? high teen pregnancy rates? this idea that the gov't should " mind it's business " when it suits us and become involved when it suits us is juvenile at best ------------------ If you pull it too tightly, the string will break. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6040 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2010 11:38 AM
"providing for the general welfare" is very much open to interpretation. as public schools use federal as well as state money to function, it is within the prerogative of the funder to create guidelines as to what that money will be spent on. really, it is hardly a heinous crime to suggest that junk foods should not be provided on the ticket school funds pay for. they are in many people's eyes a waste of money and energy.
no one says people on food stamps can't "economize" by buying crap for their larders. however what is served in school, along with whether the Pledge of Allegiance is performed daily, is a SCHOOL issue and not a private one. you don't want your kid eating what is provided? pack a lunch! no one is banning home-made meals in this instance, just saying what should be available for kids eating on the school's allowance. IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly Moderator Posts: 2168 From: Gaia Registered: Apr 2010
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posted December 23, 2010 12:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by katatonic:
really, it is hardly a heinous crime to suggest that junk foods should not be provided on the ticket school funds pay for. they are in many people's eyes a waste of money and energy.
I don't think federal dollars should be spent on junk food...they have toilet seats to buy dammit. Seriously though, if people want junk food they should spend their own money on it. I'd like to see more school grown kitchen programs. GOod for the kids and good for the school districts too. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2846 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 24, 2010 05:28 PM
Sorry but the exercise of unconstituted federal power is to avoided at all costs.The federal government is not a charity nor was it constituted to become a forced charity, taking the property of one citizen to be expended on another...or a group of anothers. The federal power is confined to those enumerated in the Constitution and no other powers whatsoever. Suggest you read the 10th Amendment to the Constitution...and then, get back to me. In the meantime, you can read what the founders...those who both wrote and helped ratify the US Constitution had to say about it. *"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grant[s] a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents... The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government." - James Madison, in a speech before the U.S. House of Representatives, 10 January 1794 *"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated [in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution]." - Thomas Jefferson *"Our tenet ever was that Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money." - Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Albert Gallatin, 16 June 1817 *"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of the public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America." - James Madison, 1789 *"Money cannot be applied to the General Welfare, otherwise than by an application of it to some particular measure conducive to the General Welfare. Whenever, therefore, money has been raised by the general Authority, and is to be applied to a particular measure, a question arises whether the particular measure be within the enumerated authorities vested in Congress. If it be, the money requisite for it may be applied to it; if it be not, no such application can be made." - James Madison, in "Report of 1800" *"I see, as you do, and with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpations of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that too, by constructions which, if legitimate, leave no limits to their power... Under the power to regulate commerce, they assume indefinitely that also over agriculture and manufactures, and call it regulation to take the earnings of one of these branches of industry, and... put them into the pockets of the other... Under the authority to establish post roads, they claim that of cutting down mountains for the construction of roads, of digging canals, and aided by a little sophistry on the words 'general welfare', a right to do, not only the acts to effect that, which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think, or pretend, will be for the general welfare." - Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to William B. Giles, 26 December 1825 *"We must confine ourselves to the powers described in the Constitution, and the moment we pass it, we take an arbitrary stride towards a despotic Government." - James Jackson, in "Annals of the 1st Congress" *"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people." - James Madison, in "Federalist Paper Number 45", 1788 It is clear that the so called Constitutional scholar...Barack Hussein O'Bomber would have been laughed out the House of Representative, laughed out of the Senate of the United States and laughed out of the White House...had he advanced his radical Marxist Socialist agenda to the Founders of the United States. Michelle O'Bomber would have fared no better advancing her Marxist Socialist "healthy meals" agenda to the Founders. No matter how good or utilitarian you may believe limiting the public school menus to so called "healthy food" to be or how compassionate, good and necessary you may believe the "School Lunch Program" to be...to feed school children 3 meals a day...there is no authority granted to the federal government to do any of it...or pay for any of it. It has been and remains today the jurisdiction of the states as does the public education of those same children. Now, if there's anyone here who would suggest to me to take Barack Hussein O'Bomber's word for it...OR Michelle O'Bomber's word for it...over the writers, framers and founders of the United States Constitution...well, don't tempt to tell you where you can put that suggestion.
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coconutcancermoon Moderator Posts: 471 From: A Place of Pure Love Registered: Nov 2010
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posted January 07, 2011 12:37 PM
Sheesh, how many hours in a day do you steam over the O'Bombers?IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2846 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 07, 2011 02:05 PM
There aren't enough hours in the day to detail all the screwups, thuggary and general incompetence of O'Bomber and his minions.So, I'm only going to hit the high spots.... until O'Bomber stops infesting the White House. I make that to be January 20, 2013. IP: Logged |
coconutcancermoon Moderator Posts: 471 From: A Place of Pure Love Registered: Nov 2010
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posted January 07, 2011 07:05 PM
Wow, you think he's getting a second term?IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3208 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 04:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: There aren't enough hours in the day to detail all the screwups, thuggary and general incompetence of O'Bomber and his minions.So, I'm only going to hit the high spots.... until O'Bomber stops infesting the White House. I make that to be January 20, 2013.
You're hilarious, I have to say. There's absolutely no way he's up for a 2nd term, unless he throws a huge BS mill into the election and the people eat it up again. Time will tell. But it's gonna have to be a bigger plate of crap than he served up last time IP: Logged | |