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listenstotrees
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posted December 22, 2010 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached “an unimaginable dimension” which brought “humiliation” on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics “to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred” and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: “That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years.”

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was “threatening an entire generation”.

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

“Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis,” said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

“It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal,” she added.

“The Pope insists on talking about a vague ‘broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear ‘broader context' he can influence — the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the ‘context’ that matters.”

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.


Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html#ixzz18rAJtT9d

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posted February 01, 2011 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Quinnie
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posted February 01, 2011 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did i miss this!

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posted February 01, 2011 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said"

This sounds like NAMBLA Crap!!

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posted February 05, 2011 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Child abuse is first and foremost defined by the society/culture.
What is frowned in one is looked on as normal relations in another.
It's about personal perspective, not changing the entire world to fit your ideals.

And if people are so sick of the abuses in the church, then why not just leave the damn church?
Being the victim isn't empowering, it's self defeating.
We're veering away from man made Religion anyway, it's getting to be old news.
Man Made religion is Sagittarius, and we already saw Pluto in Sadge take a stab at that (abuse in the church, 9/11). The cycle is over for now.
Pisces is spirituality and being in tune, backing away from dogma, that's the forward motion, Uranus has been in Pisces, and soon Neptune, then Pluto.

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posted February 05, 2011 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And if you're gonna blame just the f-----g church, maybe some of you should look at your own husbands/boyfriends, those sports fanatics,
Check this out,
http://news.change.org/stories/super-bowl-one-of-biggest-human-trafficking-events-i n-the-us

This isn't the only article on the subject, there are hundreds out there right now.
This is a business. And people are buying.

Don't look at the church, look at your own friends and family.

How do you put child sex trafficking out of business?
Stop buying.
I can tell you it's not going out of business anytime soon.

In our society it's normal to pay for sex,
maybe not exactly ideal but the fact is that it is normal.

Stop paying for it and then the children won't be involved, cos it won't happen.
But that's never gonna happen.

Child sexual abuse will never end.
Whether people exploit their own sexuality or other people do it for them.
Like it or not it's never going away.

Stop trying to fight a battle that you will never win.
You can control yourself and that's it.
Nobody else.

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Quinnie
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posted February 05, 2011 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake,

"Stop trying to fight a battle that you will never win.
You can control yourself and that's it.
Nobody else."

Absolutely! However this is not the same thing as standing up for what you believe in, exposing or highlighting corruption, bringing awareness to issues and social injustice, and trying to help others. I would much rather try than to give up on something I believe in. Even if it seems completely elusive.

The thread post however was about the hypocrisy of a man who is supposed to be holier than thou, as second to God, infallible, gracious and full of goodness, explaining to the victims of his organisation, that to a degree, it was ok for sexual abuse to occur because it's "normal"... that is one way his statements could be interpreted. That is one reason why I broke away from any kind of church.

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Lonake
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posted February 05, 2011 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"a man who is supposed to be holier than thou, as second to God, infallible, gracious and full of goodness,"

Doesn't sound like any normal human.
It's dangerous to start believing you're infallible. Hubris I think it's called. I go back to my old statement, they're all on the way out.

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