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PlutoSquared
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posted January 11, 2011 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1.According to the World Health Organization (WHO), 1 in every 4 people, or 25% per cent of individuals, develops one or more mental disorders at some stage in life. Today, 450 million people globally suffer from mental disorders in both developed and developing countries. Of these, 154 million suffer from depression, 25 million from schizophrenia, 91 million from alcohol use disorder and 15 million drug use disorder.

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posted January 11, 2011 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
And, let me clarify, I believe that people who are pre-disposed to mental illness (which is NOT A FEW PEOPLE, mind you) should probably not be messing around with Marijuana.

or any kind of drug for that matter

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posted January 11, 2011 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The whole point...

1. Saying that pot is harmless for everyone, is harmless.

Consider the potential effects on the mentally ill, and the prevalence of mental illness amongst the population.

Also, consider how many mentally ill people in the U.S. go misdiagnosed. It is not possible, at times, to pinpoint someone suffering from mental illness.

If you smoke pot, keep it to yourself and handle it responsibly. Just think twice. Not everyone's body chemistry is the same, no two people will have the same exact effects of a drug.

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posted January 11, 2011 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NickiG,

Definitely. Any drug at all...

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posted January 11, 2011 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any mind-altering substance can be directly or indirectly dangerous. I personally don't like having my mind altered. But that's just me.

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posted January 11, 2011 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is so hard for me to believe that you can smoke a doob and then go out and perpetrate a massacre.
If any thing pot makes you forgetful,
(where is my gun?)
slow.. your reflexes are terrible,
giggly, LAZY, and you get the munchies

That just doesn't sound like an effective killing machine to me.

I see nothing wrong with pot as opposed to alcohol, drunk behavior is 10 times more difficult to put up with than some slacker raiding the Fridge.

I can't help but think if California had legalized Marijuana then they could be regulating and taxing it which in turn could pull them that much closer out of debt.

It would also help with Mexico's' War on drugs as smuggling pot would become obsolete.

I'd rather buy American any day

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posted January 11, 2011 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is so hard for me to believe that you can smoke a doob and then go out and perpetrate a massacre.
If any thing pot makes you forgetful,
(where is my gun?)
slow.. your reflexes are terrible,
giggly, LAZY, and you get the munchies

Of course you can't, because you either like your pot, or believe that pot is just fine for everyone. But, this guy was obviously not ok to be doing recreational drugs.

I also don't agree that people who use pot are less dangerous. In fact, many pot smokers often use alcohol, and the compounded danger of pot and alcohol dangers triple the rate of DUI and DUI related death...

Everything that grows from the ground is not all safe and fine, hippies. Can we apply some logic here before the "age of Aquarius" hits?

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posted January 11, 2011 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to say that the anti-drug propagandha has been JUST AS BAD as the Pro-Marijuana movement promoting the use of Weed...

Just as bad as the FDA!!!

This is another industry that has promoted itself as completely harmless, and the people who use marijuana or support those who use absolutely refuse to be taught otherwise.

I know this up-close and personal, having volunteered for a non-profit vaporizing "educational and community" center here in Colorado.

There is a huge mishandling of this "harmless weed" and not just by the government, and anti-drug folks.

It's being mishandled by the people who are making money off of this stuff...

As it ever was... people need to be educated. The brain is not an organ that should be handled irresponsibly, and people with a history of mental illness should steer clear of the drug.

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posted January 11, 2011 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I have to say that the anti-drug propagandha has been JUST AS BAD as the Pro-Marijuana movement promoting the use of Weed...

Just as bad as the FDA!!!

This is another industry that has promoted itself as completely harmless, and the people who use marijuana or support those who use absolutely refuse to be taught otherwise.

I know this up-close and personal, having volunteered for a non-profit vaporizing "educational and community" center here in Colorado.

There is a huge mishandling of this "harmless weed" and not just by the government, and anti-drug folks.

It's being mishandled by the people who are making money off of this stuff...

As it ever was... people need to be educated. The brain is not an organ that should be handled irresponsibly, and people with a history of mental illness should steer clear of the drug.


i personally dont support the legalization of recreational use for marijuana, just the medical use...both my father and my friends mother had cancer and their doctors TOLD them to smoke pot so that they can have an appetite....yes, it isnt for everyone, i agree with that, but i disagree that everyone who smokes pot also drinks..and from personal experience the two do not mix well, i was literally hacking in the sink, lol...it is safe to say i will not do that again

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posted January 11, 2011 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you even know what you're talking about Plutosquared?
Have you ever even tried Pot?

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posted January 11, 2011 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NickiG,

I think that people with cancer, pain related disease, and other illnesses should have access to marijuana.

I'm just afraid of people who refuse to handle anything responsibly, let alone consider for a moment that using weed could be dangerous for certain people (or even age groups)...

Consider being 5 years old and being high before you can even write your own name... just because mom and dad want to use recreationally...

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posted January 11, 2011 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Do you even know what you're talking about Plutosquared?
Have you ever even tried Pot?


I guess not Lalalinda, if you say I don't... right?

Seriously though, it's none of your business if I have or haven't used. Feel free to speculate. It should have no effect on my ability to form an argument based on my observations and experiences.

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posted January 11, 2011 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
NickiG,

I think that people with cancer, pain related disease, and other illnesses should have access to marijuana.

I'm just afraid of people who refuse to handle anything responsibly, let alone consider for a moment that using weed could be dangerous for certain people (or even age groups)...

Consider being 5 years old and being high before you can even write your own name... just because mom and dad want to use recreationally...


thats why there is an age limit on everything else that is potentially detrimental or life altering..such as alcohol, cigarettes and porn

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posted January 11, 2011 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
eww plutosquared did we hit a nerve?

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posted January 11, 2011 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol, what? do you mean the porn, lala? LOL, no no no, just sayin

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posted January 11, 2011 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not at all, Lalalinda. Try harder.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, NickiG, it's hard to regulate Marijuana consumption when 90% percent of users are unlicensed to have medical marijuana, and disregard current laws, regardless.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to filtch kats line, just sayun

I`ll let each one highlight what they see as most pertinent.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Unfortunately, NickiG, it's hard to regulate Marijuana consumption when 90% percent of users are unlicensed to have medical marijuana, and disregard current laws, regardless.

true, but as far as i know only one state in the US has legalized medical marijuana and anyone who lets a 5 year old smoke pot should go to jail for child abuse alone...forget possession or paraphernalia

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posted January 11, 2011 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're passing out licenses here in Colorado for Medical Marijuana. What state are you talkin' about?

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posted January 11, 2011 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
try harder? ok

you are the rudest most offensive person here.
It is because of you that our best and brightest left
you have done everything in your (limited) power to cause arguements and hurt feelings
you seem to think of it as sport to push your limits and it is because of you that Lindaland has lost some of its trust. Who wants to pour their hearts out with a real issue and watch you ruin it with your BS.

You also talk about subjects you know nothing about (like this subject)

YOU JUST WANT TO HEAR YOURSELF
go for it, because we're all laughing at you

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posted January 11, 2011 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm talkin about california...i didnt know about california and we were close to legalizing it here but it was turned down....i heard they were supposed to be appealing it...strictly for medical purposes of course

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posted January 11, 2011 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i repeat NOTHING is completely harmless.

but because a deranged person smokes pot does not mean the pot made him deranged! and this was not the act of a "potsmoker" but a deranged person. whether he gets high on pot or petrol, he is still deranged. the petrol would be more likely to encourage a violent act like this!

and pluto squared, it does make a difference if you have tried it or not. you are of course free to decline, but don't judge what you haven't tried unless you KNOW that it has caused such behaviour there is no link...

in the old days, when the media spent a fortune on behalf of dow chemical criminalizing and demonizing pot smoking, it was said a single joint led to employment at the whorehouse, heroin addiction and worse...white women sleeping with black men!!!

those who had never tried it either believed those smears and stayed away, or tried it...and found out they were propaganda bearing little relation to fact.

no it is not harmless. neither is your baby's blanket but would you let him sleep in the cold without it?

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posted January 11, 2011 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
try harder? ok

you are the rudest most offensive person here.
It is because of you that our best and brightest left
you have done everything in your (limited) power to cause arguements and hurt feelings
you seem to think of it as sport to push your limits and it is because of you that Lindaland has lost some of its trust. Who wants to pour their hearts out with a real issue and watch you ruin it with your BS.

You also talk about subjects you know nothing about (like this subject)

YOU JUST WANT TO HEAR YOURSELF
go for it, because we're all laughing at you


Who's "WE"... is that the 1998 group? As far as your personal issues, Lala... shove em.

Get off my thread.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
i repeat NOTHING is completely harmless.

but because a deranged person smokes pot does not mean the pot made him deranged! and this was not the act of a "potsmoker" but a deranged person. whether he gets high on pot or petrol, he is still deranged. the petrol would be more likely to encourage a violent act like this!

and pluto squared, it does make a difference if you have tried it or not. you are of course free to decline, but don't judge what you haven't tried unless you KNOW that it has caused such behaviour there is no link...

in the old days, when the media spent a fortune on behalf of dow chemical criminalizing and demonizing pot smoking, it was said a single joint led to employment at the whorehouse, heroin addiction and worse...white women sleeping with black men!!!

those who had never tried it either believed those smears and stayed away, or tried it...and found out they were propaganda bearing little relation to fact.

no it is not harmless. neither is your baby's blanket but would you let him sleep in the cold without it?


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