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posted February 01, 2011 05:25 AM            

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Lemme summitup!!

Sun and Moon in Leo, Mercury in Virgo, Mars in Aries with a Scorpio ASC...hello revolutionary brother-in-arms

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posted February 04, 2011 06:09 PM            

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Well it's gonna go to the Supreme Court eventually,
If I'm mandated to pay for health insurance by this dummy then I'm voting republican in 2012.
They don't even care that this countrys idea of health care needs to be overhauled; he's completely off the mark.

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posted February 04, 2011 10:03 PM            

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"Sun and Moon in Leo, Mercury in Virgo, Mars in Aries with a Scorpio ASC...hello revolutionary brother-in-arms"

Well Frozen Queen, let's take over and run things right...for a change.

Lonake, I can't find anything in what you said with which to disagree.

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posted February 05, 2011 03:36 AM            

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Health care as it stands today is a business and that's 180 degrees from what it should be.
The whole country needs to be re-educated about prevention and to be told all the myriad ways this govt is trying to kill us.
But that's what this govt does best, the big business being war of course.
No surprise there.

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posted February 05, 2011 09:41 PM            

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what surprises me is that none of you mind paying through the nose for the MANDATORY treatment of anyone seeking it whether they can pay or not, and usually in the ER where it costs more than anywhere else...

what is the difference between THAT mandate and this one? except that this one gives you an out at $50 a month if you don't care to be insured? and would bring down the costs everyone is crucified by because those uninsured patients in the ER cost a lot more than a years cheap insurance or "alternate fee"..?

and where are the cries of socialist thief when reagan's mandate is mentioned? oh i forgot, FOX news has painted ronnie so lilywhite no one remembers anything about his actual thievery, money laundering, lawlessness (staging his own war when congress denied it!)...or the fact that he created a major FREELOADER system in the hospitals...and the tab to you the complacent taxpayer.

oh, that's right, i forgot! reagan didn't say "everyone will be treated AND THE TAXPAYER IS GOING TO FOOT THE BILL!" so no one gets it...or do they?

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posted February 06, 2011 12:02 PM            

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I am always amazed by the warped thinking of extreme leftists. As a rational, logical thinker, I am just dumfounded that there are people in America who actually believe this way.

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posted February 06, 2011 12:43 PM            

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but randall can you tell me what the difference is apart from one being upfront about the cost and the other not? don't you realize your medical bills reflect the cost of treating every tom dick or harry who gets treated without paying? not saying we shouldn't treat everyone, let's just be realistic that reagan's edict is any less "socialist" or "expensive" than obama's healthcare mandate.

and if you are calling me an extreme leftist you are not only way off base but using name calling to avoid answering the question..? or perhaps you were just speaking generally about "extreme leftists" and not addressing the topic at all?

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posted February 06, 2011 01:39 PM            

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I was addressing extreme leftists in general. If you are not an extreme leftist, then I am not addressing you.

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posted February 06, 2011 01:48 PM            

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okay then, but do you care to explain the difference to me between reagan's socialism and obama's?

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posted February 06, 2011 03:56 PM            

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I thought Jwhop already did. Reagan was a capitalist. Obama is a confessed socialist who cares nothing for those who support him.

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posted February 06, 2011 04:29 PM            

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so you think because reagan is defined as a capitalist that the MANDATE that everyone who seeks medical treatment will receive it whether they can pay or not...is NOT a MANDATE? or that it is not a SOCIALIST MANDATE?

i have never seen jwhop explain why this is not socialism, nor why everyone in the country having to pay the cost for the "freeloaders" is not socialist either. nor why it is constitutional to FORCE medical personnel to work on people who can't pay, or their hospitals or offices to do so either?

there is after all nothing more socialist about the new healthcare act than this. why is it so digestible because a grade B actor who uses notes instead of a teleprompter created it?

after all how many of us will NEVER seek medical treatment? and why should i pay for YOU to use those services free (hypothetical you of course) just because reagan said so and he was a "capitalist"? why shouldn't we all be forced to PAY for our medical treatment? (unless the DOCTOR decides to waive his fees, or the hospital, for charitable reasons.. THAT would be capitalism.

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posted February 07, 2011 02:23 PM            

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Randall is right again katatonic. I did address your nonsense that Ronald Reagan adopted Socialist doctrine to get critically ill patients medical treatment.

I also addressed the fact Socialists don't give a rat's ass about anyones health but their own. At best, they're impostors of compassion.

Reagan was the real deal. O'Bomber is a fraud and a phony.

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posted February 07, 2011 02:36 PM            

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where pray tell did you explain this? and how do you know what obama thinks? you are a mind reader now? or just deciding on the colour of someone's coat that you know their innermost motives and feelings?

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posted February 07, 2011 02:45 PM            

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Obama's plan won't work. It would crumble the whole house of cards. He has duped a lot of people, but now the blinders are off, and the color of his coat is sheepskin.

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posted February 07, 2011 02:48 PM            

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so spouteth the propagandists, must be true!

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posted March 01, 2011 11:45 AM            

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I know I'm late on this but I just read that there was a 3.8% tax on "unearned income" that includes house sales, house rentals, savings accounts, ss income, unemployment checks and child support. All to pay for medication that doesn't work. Anyway to my point...any new news on this front?

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posted March 01, 2011 12:01 PM            

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"I know I'm late on this but I just read that there was a 3.8% tax on "unearned income" that includes house sales, house rentals, savings accounts, ss income, unemployment checks and child support."..littlecloud

Well, we can't call O'Bomber "The Liar in Chief" since Kommander Korruption...aka William Jefferson Clinton already claimed that moniker but what do you call the lying prez who promised to not raise taxes of any kind whatsoever on those making less than $250,000 per year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HE-rGGKksQ

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posted March 01, 2011 01:18 PM            

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Actually the income tax that many pay is illegal. There is no law stating people to pay a tax on their wages. Doesn't matter how much you make. However income in corporate is subject to taxation, legally, the gov't just makes less money this way.

But I just wanted to know if there was more information on the health bill, since you seem to have the "in" on all this political stuff

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posted March 01, 2011 02:24 PM            

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Income tax is Constitutional.

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posted March 01, 2011 03:23 PM            

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This is your big chance to win your very first argument here acoustic.

All you have to do to win is post right here on GU, the code number and section number and the text of the "law" from the United States Code which requires a wage or salary earning individual to file an income tax return.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:00 PM            

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An income tax (if apportioned according to the Constitution) is not in and of itself unconstitutional; however, the current self-assessment and enforcement of it is, so there is no (and can be no) law requiring the filing of a confession sheet (tax return). The Secretary of Treasury is required to assess us and send us a bill. That's a virtual impossibilty, so they trick us into self-assessment by using terms such as "must" and "shall" which legally means "may" where there is a constitutional doubt [Fort Howard Paper Company v. Fox River Heights Sanitary Dist, Gow v. Consolidated Coppermine Corp, George Williams College v. Village of williams Bay].

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posted March 01, 2011 04:28 PM            

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Income is defined by the Supreme Court as a gain on capital, not wages. Wages are something given in exchange for work.
http://www.afreecountry.com/tpcs/irs/income.php

There's a link on that goes into the entire 16th Amendment and definition of wages and income.

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posted March 01, 2011 06:34 PM            

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I haven't read that link, but what you said is very true. Income can only be a corporate profit. The wage tax was instituted as a way to soak the rich to pay for the war, but once pased, that "temporary" measure has remained till today and is as far removed from a soak-the-rich tax as can be.

The Secretary is required to assess all taxes in Title 26 (Income Tax Code) [Code Section 6201]

The Secretary must then send the taxpayer a record of the assessment (bill) [Code Section 6203]

The Secretary must give the taxpayer a demand for payment within 60 days [Code Section 6303]

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posted March 02, 2011 08:38 AM            

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It's nice to hear that Randall. If you haven't already seen Aaron Russo's America Freedom to Fascism, I suggest you watch it, it's very eyeopening. You may know some of the content in the movie but it's still a very good watch. I've come to admire Russo. He died for what he believed it. Not many people have the courage to do what he did.

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posted March 02, 2011 01:15 PM            

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The wage tax was instituted as a way to soak the rich to pay for the war

the wage tax comes out of WORKERS, not the rich, randall. do you think the money employers hand over is theirs?

and if income tax is supposed to be on corporate profit (i agree, but try proving this to the courts or the IRS) WHY IS IT OKAY for corporations to get away with paying nothing? do you realize the biggest corps in the world regularly pick up REFUND CHECKS from the IRS?

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