posted March 06, 2011 12:31 PM            

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You simply cannot be forced to give the government any information it can use against you.

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posted March 06, 2011 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
The point being that it is every citizen's duty to pay their taxes.

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I haven't read much of what was posted so if I'm repeating anything I apologize in advance.

Why is it our duty? The gov't has been slowly taking away more and more of our rights and our money. The middle class is slowly disappearing. I want to know what they do with all our money. They claim that it goes to pay for jobs, roads etc. But the maintenance of roads are covered in the gas tax. The truth is that our "income" tax goes to cover the interest rate on the dollar the gov't BUYS from the Federal Reserve. Which isn't even federal. Where is all the gold that the gov't had? Oh yea, the Fed has it. Lovely. Our true source of wealth is in the hands of bankers.

Forgive me for not feeling it's my "duty" to pay taxes to bankers that have destroyed just about the entire world.

Seeing how the discussions here are usually fueled, I want to say please don't give me the Republican vs Democrat argument. For me this is just a distraction from what the gov't is really doing. While ideally the republicans seems to have a better hold of way things should be done, their candidates in office seem to have done the exact opposite. Year after year you hear that there will be no increase in taxes or no new taxes, and then something happens which for some reason we need to taxed for. Year after year people have less and less money to live with. Where are all the taxes that seem to be helping the people?

posted March 06, 2011 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Health care as it stands today is a business and that's 180 degrees from what it should be.
The whole country needs to be re-educated about prevention and to be told all the myriad ways this govt is trying to kill us.
But that's what this govt does best, the big business being war of course.
No surprise there.

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posted March 06, 2011 04:38 PM            

Randall- I never looked at it from a 5th Amendment point of view. Though it does make sense...

AG- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#

posted March 07, 2011 02:36 AM            

No, filing a tax return is filing a tax return. Nothing inherently incriminating about it. That's why "frivolous" is the word of the day when it comes to people trying to fight the IRS in court.

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No, it's incriminating due to ballistics proving that the bullet was fired from the police officer's gun.

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posted March 07, 2011 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I'm too practical to believe the Federal Reserve is going anywhere.

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And they won't with this type of thinking. That's why they've stayed where they are for so long and why the people of the world have suffered let alone Americans who lost their jobs at the beginning of the recession and have to live in tents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1owwvwi6t30&feature=related

I would love to know why we stopped seeing news reports on this.

What about the fact the Federal Reserve is illegal? The ONLY REASON WE ARE TAXED ON OUR WAGES IS TO PAY THE INTEREST ON MONEY INSTATED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
Knock out the Fed and you have just saved America, and the world because it will create a chain reaction just like the Middle East. The Fed is not going anywhere because the PEOPLE aren't making them.

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

posted March 07, 2011 08:40 AM            

There is no legislative act.."bill" passed by any Congress of the United States which requires any individual wage or salary earner to file an income tax return and pay a tax on their earnings to the IRS.

acoustic, you posted a part of a US Supreme Court decision which said...the 16th Amendment granted no "new power" to tax.

Yet, you continue to argue that the 16th Amendment gave the government to power to tax incomes derived from wages and salaries.

Just to clear this up for you acoustic...because you missed it the first time around...the 1893-1894 US Supreme Court decision declared the then "new" income tax law passed by Congress un-Constitutional. That law sought to tax...for the first time...wages and salaries of individual citizens.

You don't get it both ways acoustic. If the 16th Amendment Did Not grant government any "new powers" to tax...then the US Supreme Court decision from the early 1890's IS in full force and effect today.

I've said here that there's too much wrong with the current so called "income tax" for it to be constitutional.

Randall has listed the deficiencies and cited federal court decisions to back up what he's said.

Since no citizen can be compelled to waive any of their rights under the US Constitution, including their 4th Amendment right to be secure in their..."papers", which cannot be had by the government without an order of a court of competent jurisdiction and no citizen can be compelled to be a witness against themself under the 5th Amendment..which is absolute, then if the government administers the IRS Code as compulsory or mandatory as to individual wage and salaried citizens...then, it's un-Constitutional. When I say "administers", I mean "prosecutes" and levies "fines" and "forfeitures" of property for non-compliance with the IRS Code...which is nothing if not "Administrative Law".

The IRS Code is full of the words "Shall" and "Must" which if taken at their dictionary definition meanings "REQUIRE" or "COMPEL" whatever follows.

However, US Federal Court decisions say otherwise.

Whenever the words "shall" or "must" in any statutory language create a Constitutional crisis, those words must be deemed to mean "MAY". Unlike "shall" and "must" which means "required", "may" makes the action spoken of "optional", or "voluntary", at the discretion of the individual.

posted March 07, 2011 09:52 AM            

And, when you "voluntarily" file your 1040 individual tax return with "your" social security number and attach your employer generated W-4 with the wrong social security number...the IRS computer may hiccup, clang, tilt and spit your 1040 return out for further IRS review and action.

Further, if you are near retirement age, your account will show no SS contributions for that period

posted March 07, 2011 10:38 AM            

First stop is a review of your W-4 withholding form you completed for your former employer...to make sure you didn't enter the wrong SS number.

Then, an amended W-4 from your former employer showing the correct SS number and a letter from your former employer stating the facts of error...theirs or yours.

Then, a call to your local IRS office for an appointment to get the matter corrected in your official records.

That's what I would do...AND, I'd make copies of every letter and document, including any letter or finding from the IRS. All of which would be kept in a place where it wouldn't be "lost".

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posted March 08, 2011 09:16 AM            

You won't find this in the IRS manual but if this situation develops....

posted March 08, 2011 09:37 AM            

When you find the legislative act...bill passed by Congress and signed into law by a president of the United States which requires any individual to file a tax return on his/her wages and salary...get back to me acoustic...and post it right here.

posted March 08, 2011 12:32 PM            

I'll wait right here acoustic...until you do.

Btw, if the IRS can't find such a law and Tax Court judges can't find such a law and IRS criminal investigative agents can't find such a law...after repeated requests to produce that law...then good luck to you acoustic.