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juniperb
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posted February 28, 2011 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no need to leave. I`m trying to keep this in bounds of the this more relaxed forum that has limits as explained.Thats all I`m trying to get across.

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posted February 28, 2011 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mblake, for the record, you have not insulted ME and I think you are a good hearted fella. My posts are an attempt to help you fall within the guidelines and still get your point across.

It is for the general forum and not personal for the reason stated re the specific word.

Thats it, that simple.

I certainly wouldn`t give up and leave . .. but that`s me

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posted February 28, 2011 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Glaucus, Pid/BearsArcher has already answered part of your ignorant rant. I'm going to go further.

When those evil white Europeans landed on the North American Continent, they found slavery and involuntary servitude was already
alive and well here...being practiced by American Indian tribes. Yep BearsArcher!

Does that make those American Indians evil? Nope, their cultural attitudes and practices must be viewed within the context of the times and conditions in which they lived. In fact, slavery and involuntary servitude has been practiced in every region on earth at one time or another.

Now Glaucus, here's something you and other race baiting obsessed leftists don't want to talk about.

Slavery was also being practiced in Africa at the time. How do you suppose all those black slaves were made available to get them to America in the first place? Do you suppose those white slave traders went into the African countryside and captured them? Wrong Glaucus, their own black brothers and sisters sold them to the slave traders. Their own black brothers went into the lands and villages of other tribes, raided, took them captive and sold them.

You say white Europeans "stole" American Indian lands but who did the American Indians "steal" the land from?

Hint...hint; you might want to look up Kennewick Man Glaucus, that is, if and only IF you're interested more in facts than emotional ranting.

The remains of Kennewick Man were dated to more than 9,000 years old...and Glaucus, that predates American Indians in America. Further Glaucus, the remains of Kennewick Man show he was Caucasoid...Caucasian and not of the same genetic root stock as American Indians.

Your rant that the United States Constitution is invalid rises to the level of Space Alien Conspiracy theories Glaucus. So does your nonsense that the founders considered blacks to not be human...because they only assigned blacks to 3 fifths of a person.

What trash Glaucus.

The 3 fifths rule was instituted to prevent the South with it's heavy population of slaves from tipping the balance of the federal government power in favor of Southern slave owning states. That rule was put in place for determining the number of members of the House of Representatives and for purposes of taxation...should apportionment of federal taxes become necessary.

How odd Glaucus that you...and your little Marxist icon..O'Bomber...champion "women's right to choose".

It's apparent you do not understand that abortion was a genocidal weapon aimed straight at blacks and other minorities...whom elitist Socialists considered "undesirables". Abortion..."women's right to choose" was the eugenics weapon of choice to keep the numbers of "undesirables" in check.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg...."Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and [b]particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."
It would be good for you to look up the Socialist elitist, Margaret Sanger. Sanger founded the Birth Control League which later became...Planned Parenthood.

Now Glaucus, that's enough time wasted on correcting your ill-considered rant(s). There's not enough hours in the day to correct them all.

Perhaps a little Thomas Jefferson is in order for you Glaucus.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

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all of that is just your views.

I have mine too

for the record, I have no icons. You obviously don't know me.

I don't think of white,europeans as evil.
You obviously don't me. I constantly talk about my desire for unity.

I am a strong believer in equality

I am not a race-baiting leftist either

quit fucken labeling me "******* "

YEAH I SAID IT

**** YOU, JWHOP AND YOUR CONDESCENDING PIECE OF **** ASS ATTITUDE

THAT GOES FOR YOU TOO, LITTLECLOUD

WHERE DO YOU GET THE GALL SLAMMING ME ABOUT MY VIEWS AND TELLING ME THAT I AM NARROWMINDED ABOUT MY VIEWS

THINKING THAT YOUR VIEWS ARE RIGHT AND OTHERS WRONG?

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posted February 28, 2011 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please notice that during my whole defense, I never called you a name, or tried to insinuate that you are lesser as a person....Mblake81

Really Mblake81? From you opening post on this thread....

Go sleep on the couch, you lazy turds...Mblake81

Did you really think you were going to get away with that Mblake81?

Now, grow up and stop trying to play the..."I'm soooo insulted card".

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posted February 28, 2011 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would have wagered a huge load of drachmas that someone else would need to tone it down-- not the Whopmeister....but no one would take the bet.

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posted February 28, 2011 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sigh, Node, I`m just talking Greek and reading, well, I`m not sure just what

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posted February 28, 2011 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
sigh, Node, I`m just talking Greek and reading, well, I`m not sure just what


hey juniper

but I am ****** off

I don't like being accused of crap, being called names and labels, assuming that I have icons, being called a race baiter, and being accused of crap in regards to white people,european people being evil
damn.....my mom is white. I have history of interracial relationships,friendships.

That's load of crap.

People can't even friggen expressing any views without attacks.

I don't Mblake for being angry with jwhop.

heck......I want to beat the crap out of my self. He talks all kinds of crap behind the computer,knowing that I can't put my foot up his "ass"

I am fed up with this crap.

I left a post at central sub-forum

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posted February 28, 2011 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Glaucus, if you and I were face to face you couldn't put your foot up my ass.

You talk trash, expect to get called on it. If that makes you angry, that's TS baby.

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posted February 28, 2011 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Glaucus I know it gets heated and I don`t blame anyone for their frustration.

All I ask is follow the loose guidlines ie no race, ethnicity, nationality,gender et al names/slandering.
I find bigot fits. Do you?.

He was given a chance to reword/redo/rethink and he opted not to.

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posted February 28, 2011 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time out for a martini or your choice of chilling out

cheers!

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posted February 28, 2011 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:


Glaucus I know it gets heated and I don`t blame anyone for their frustration.

All I ask is follow the loose guidlines ie no race, ethnicity, nationality,gender et al names/slandering.
I find bigot fits. Do you?.

He was given a chance to reword/redo/rethink and he opted not to.


This is my last post here (In this subforum) because I realized where this went wrong.

JuniperB, I mistook Jwhop as a moderator, I must have had the wrong Idea in mind. None of that was directed at you.

Jwhop, like I said before, If you took offense, You must be a lazy turd yourself, Otherwise it would not have mattered. Just like all the insults you have said to me, that angered me, must be true on some level for myself.

JWHOP THAT LAZY STATEMENT WAS NEVER DIRECTED AT YOU TO BEGIN WITH! It was just my opinion on politics.

That is how you took it as I was talking in general.

You mean this whole time it was that? Dear lord..

Anyway I realize I do not fit in here, Please do not insist on thinking it is because I did not try hard enough. I know when to lay my cards down and walk away from the table.

Now is that time. I just wanted to set things straight rather than letting people go on believing nonsense.

Good bye.

*By the way, Global Unity will never happen with parties. Those people in charge have an agenda themselves. Do not ask me what it is, I do not know.

But the populace is usually last in place. Special Interest comes first for both parties.

My whole (first post) rant was never at Jwhop, the individual person, I do not care to insult you as its a waste of energy for the both of us.

I am concerned that if you all want this thing called Unity, The people in charge are not going to give it to you because that would undermine the authority they have.

Self Sacrificing does not compute in washington unless that means the populace self sacrifices. That is the only thing.

I was attempting to point that out, But some people really want to keep that in place because it benefits themselves, because they are involved, And it would be bad for personally involved business if it was stopped.

They will fight anyway to keep it, just like any other human fighting for his job that he or she worked hard all there life to get.

You will see many more people than just me, Show fangs. Only they will use them to rip your throat out, Be it financially, Politics, Business, Whatever you wanna name it, where people are involved.

Self Interest Rules All On Our Planet, Self Interest Rules All With People On The Planet.

How can you have unity, with that?

People ARE the problem.

People CAN be, The solution as well.

The people in society can change anything in that society, But if you go through these channels that are "set up" for us, Those individuals at the top will swat down anything that is not in align with the goals they have.

So this only serves those at the top, by design.

If you are at the top, I can understand why you fight to keep this, Because you are involved and are benefiting from this greatly.

That does not make it right, Not by a long shot.

*Much of this was spoken in general, so before anyone gets bright ideas about getting personally offended by it, Please take a deep breath, Tell someone you love them, And do something positive.

Good Blessings are wished on any that reads this*

** As far as me feeling sad about myself, Here maybe this will help. I have a horrible debt to repay.

Numerology Report, It went into exact details. Yes they are true for me.

KARMA and FRUSTRATION

From previous incarnations you have carried over into this life some unfinished business. Negative karma.
It means that this time you have to experience the effects of the pain you inflicted upon others in your former embodiments.
Out of necessity, you are faced with many frustrating situations which, by all logic and analysis, you have not caused visibly or which are the result of mistakes you have made when these situations arise.
You are unable to will away the limitations and restrictions that are imposed upon you, instead, you have to understand their karmic origin and do your best to learn through experiencing them, and let this wisdom become part of your consciousness and conscience from here on.

If you are free from these in your Core Energies, you are likely to face adverse circumstances in a cross-section of spheres, like health, relationships of all kinds, finance, work, fame and power.

It is not uncommon that people with this feature suffer the loss or virtual absence of one or both parents in their early childhood.
Receiving and being able to give love is an important factor for you to sustain and cope with these difficulties

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posted February 28, 2011 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 28, 2011 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edit, double post. Slow laptop.

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posted February 28, 2011 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edited, double post.

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posted February 28, 2011 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juni, can I have a mocktini? Make mine a double!

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posted February 28, 2011 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheers!

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posted February 28, 2011 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mblake,thank you for taking the time to elaborate!

Blessings to you on your journey as well.

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posted February 28, 2011 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall,
as long as it is a double & serves two

jwhop, what is that thing on top of the martini ??

It looks like a globally warmed over snowflake on top of alien eyeballs

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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posted March 01, 2011 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Glaucus:
hey juniper

but I am ****** off

I don't like being accused of crap, being called names and labels, assuming that I have icons, being called a race baiter, and being accused of crap in regards to white people,european people being evil
damn.....my mom is white. I have history of interracial relationships,friendships.

That's load of crap.

People can't even friggen expressing any views without attacks.

I don't Mblake for being angry with jwhop.

heck......I want to beat the crap out of my self. He talks all kinds of crap behind the computer,knowing that I can't put my foot up his "ass"

I am fed up with this crap.

I left a post at central sub-forum


"I left a post at central sub-forum"

where is that?? what is that?

Glaucus i too dont deny mblake or few others being put to such disgusting verbal abuses!!one hell of a place!
Yeah no denying this place is so offensive to stay any bit longer!
Have to thank the so called good people here who try to attack and drive us out so quickly!!
who would want themselves to be put to such crap anyway.

P.S- Sad... I have read glaucus post in lindaland central 2 forum.
What better way can there be than to lead people to say goodbye...to this forum..
hmmmmmm

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posted March 01, 2011 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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By the way, Global Unity will never happen with parties. Those people in charge have an agenda themselves.

I completely agree with this statement. This is what I was getting at by saying your thinking is narrow-minded Glaucus. You contradict yourself in wanting unity and equality for all yet you choose to limit yourself by parties and boundaries. I used to think exactly like this until I realized both parties are pretty much crap in their candidates. They always end up doing pretty much the same thing and people in America get more and more dissatisfied with their gov't year by year. American people would do well to learn by example from the uprisings in the middle east because the way we are headed is exactly what they are giving their lives for, may God have mercy on them.

Ideally speaking I sympathize more with the Republican party because they like a more state centered gov't, which puts more power into the peoples hands where it should be. Which is what our Constitution was based on. We have deterred very widely from that and it's a shame to all humanity.

If you don't see anything wrong with socialism why don't you go live in a country publicly run as a socialist one. Go there and ask the people if they are truly happy. Ask the average Joe how truly happy he is with the state of his living.
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I would take you guys up on that drink but alas I have cut down my drinking to a bare minimum, but I will take some raw milk please

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posted March 01, 2011 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A mocktini has no alcohol.

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posted March 01, 2011 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
must've skimmed too fast and read martini. But I will still have my raw milk full of healthy vitamins and bacteria. YUMMMM

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I want to make a rebuttal in regards to the slavery in Africa and how Africans enslaved their own people and gave slaves to Europeans.

First off, Europeans were colonizing Africa.
Does South Africa and apartheid ring a bell?
How about the Belgian Combo? What about the fact that Kenya used to be controlled by the British? You get the picture.


Even if Africans refused to hand over other Africans to the Europeans, the Europeans could have easily taken them by force. After all, they had far superior weaponry. Of course, this helped them easily make colonies in Africa.

Slavery in Africa

I. Introduction

Slavery in Africa, the institution of slavery as it existed in Africa, and the effects of world slave-trade systems on African people and societies. As in most of the world, slavery, or involuntary human servitude, was practiced across Africa from prehistoric times to the modern era. When people today think of slavery, many envision the form in which it existed in the United States before the American Civil War (1861-1865): one racially identifiable group owning and exploiting another. However, in other parts of the world, slavery has taken many different forms. In Africa, many societies recognized slaves merely as property, but others saw them as dependents who eventually might be integrated into the families of slave owners. Still other societies allowed slaves to attain positions of military or administrative power. Most often, both slave owners and slaves were black Africans, although they were frequently of different ethnic groups. Traditionally, African slaves were bought to perform menial or domestic labor, to serve as wives or concubines, or to enhance the status of the slave owner.

Traditional African practices of slavery were altered to some extent beginning in the 7th century by two non-African groups of slave traders: Arab Muslims and Europeans. From the 7th to the 20th century, Arab Muslims raided and traded for black African slaves in West, Central, and East Africa, sending thousands of slaves each year to North Africa and parts of Asia. From the 15th to the 19th century, Europeans bought millions of slaves in West, Central, and East Africa and sent them to Europe; the Caribbean; and North, Central, and South America. These two overlapping waves of transcontinental slave trading made the slave trade central to the economies of many African states and threatened many more Africans with enslavement.

II. Traditions of Slavery Within Africa

Slavery existed in some of Africa's earliest organized societies. More than 3,500 years ago, ancient Egyptians raided neighboring societies for slaves, and the buying and selling of slaves were regular activities in cities along the Nile River. However, whereas the Egyptians left behind written records of their activities, most other early African states and societies did not. Therefore, our understanding of most early African practices of slavery is based on much more recent observations of African traditions regarding slavery and kinship and on oral histories.

A. Origins

In Africa, as in many places around the world, early slavery likely resulted from warring groups taking captives. Such captives were of little use, and often some bother, when kept close to their homes because of the ease of escape. Therefore, they were often sold and transported to more distant places.

Warfare was not the only reason for the practice of slavery in Africa, however. In many African societies, slavery represented one of the few methods of producing wealth available to common people. Throughout the African continent there was little recognition of rights to private landholding until colonial officials began imposing European law in the 19th century. Land was typically held communally by villages or large clans and was allotted to families according to their need. The amount of land a family needed was determined by the number of laborers that family could marshal to work the land. To increase production, a family had to invest in more laborers and thus increase their share of land. The simplest and quickest way to do this was to invest in slaves. To help service this demand, many early African societies conducted slave raids on distant villages.

B. Slaves' Roles

Women constituted the majority of early African slaves. In addition to agricultural work, female slaves carried out other economic functions, such as trading and cotton spinning and dyeing. They also performed domestic chores, such as preparing food, washing clothes, and cleaning. Powerful African men kept female slaves as wives or concubines, and in many societies these women stood as symbols of male wealth. Male slaves typically farmed and herded animals. Those who belonged to wealthy families and especially of ruling lineages of states also worked as porters and rowers, and learned crafts such as weaving, construction, and metalwork. New slaves were sometimes given menial tasks while experienced slaves did the more difficult and dangerous work, such as mining and quarrying.

Some male, and fewer female, slaves held positions of high status and trust within their societies. In precolonial states in the interior of West and Central Africa, slaves often served as soldiers and confidants of high officials. With their necessarily limited ambitions and dependence on their masters, slaves were considered the ideal persons to be close to men in power. In a few cases, female slaves assumed power and influence as well. For example, in the 19th century in the West African Kingdom of Dahomey (now southern Benin), women served in the royal palace and formed the kingdom's soldier elite.

C. Slavery and Kinship

Kinship (connection to a family by blood or marriage) has always been extremely important in Africa as an essential component of a person's identity and ability to survive in society. Traditionally, those without kin were essentially lost–not considered real persons by society. Slaves, taken in battle or in slave raids, were cut off from their kin. In some societies, however, slaves were viewed as dependents, and could, over time, become identified as members of their owners' extended families. Many African societies decreed that children of slave owners by their slaves could not be sold or killed. Also, after three or four generations, descendants of slaves could often shed their slave status. Thus slavery, on one hand, cut people off from their kin but, on the other hand, provided them with the possibility of becoming attached to other families and, after several generations, reintegrated into the web of kinship.

None of the above possibilities should suggest that enslaved Africans liked what was happening to them, accepted slavery willingly, or normally rose quickly in status. However, early African traditions of slavery appear more benign when compared to the institutionalized systems of slave trading that would develop later. As African states began providing slaves for export by Arabs or Europeans, slavery became much more central to the economies and politics of those states and more of a threat to Africans in general.

III. Effects of Slave Trades on Africa

Around the 15th century BC, Egypt's New Kingdom enslaved non-Africans, such as Jews from Palestine, through warfare and imported them to the Nile Valley. As an African importer of non-African slaves, however, ancient Egypt is a notable exception to the rule. Africa's role in the history of transcontinental slave trading has generally been as a provider or exporter of slaves for use outside of Africa.

After the 5th century BC, Greeks and, later, Romans came to dominate the Mediterranean Sea. Both of these slave-owning powers raided North Africa extensively for slaves. This practice of using Africa as a source of slaves would be adopted and expanded first by Arab Muslims and later by Europeans.

A. The Trans-Saharan and East African Slave Trades

The spread of Islam from Arabia into Africa after the religion's founding in the 7th century AD affected the practice of slavery and slave trading in West, Central, and East Africa. Arabs had practiced slave raiding and trading in Arabia for centuries prior to the founding of Islam, and slavery became a component of Islamic traditions. Both the Qur'an (Koran) (the sacred scripture of Islam) and Islamic religious law served to codify and justify the existence of slavery. As Muslim Arabs conquered their way westward across North Africa in the 7th and 8th centuries, their victorious leaders rewarded themselves with Berber captives, most of whom were eventually enrolled in Muslim armies. Over time, large segments of North Africa's Berber population converted to Islam. The religion spread to the camel herders of the Sahara Desert, who were in contact with black Africans south of the Sahara and who traded small numbers of black slaves. Muslim Arabs expanded this trans-Saharan slave trade, buying or seizing increasing numbers of black Africans in West Africa, leading them across the Sahara, and selling them in North Africa. From there, most of these slaves were exported to far-off Asian destinations such as the eastern Mediterranean, Anatolia (in present-day Turkey), Arabia, Persia (present-day Iran), and India.

The trans-Saharan slave trade grew significantly from the 10th to the 15th century, as vast African empires such as Ghana, Mali, Songhai, and Kanem-Bornu developed south of the Sahara and marshaled the trade. Arab slave raiders also penetrated south, up the Nile River to present-day Ethiopia, capturing thousands of slaves and sending them down the Nile to Egypt. Over the course of more than a thousand years, the trans-Saharan slave trade saw the movement of at least 10 million enslaved men, women, and children from West and East Africa to North Africa, the Middle East, and India. The slaves and their descendants contributed to the harems, royal households, and armies of the Arab, Turkish, and Persian rulers in those regions.

Also, by the 9th century, seafaring Muslims from Arabia and Persia had made their way down the Indian Ocean coast of East Africa, obtaining African slaves in ports from Mogadishu (in present-day Somalia) to Sofala (in present-day Mozambique) and conveying them to western Asian cities to work. The culture of the East African coastal regions was strongly influenced by Arab and Persian traders, many of whom intermarried with Africans, thus producing the Swahili people and culture. Between the 9th and the 13th centuries, this Arab-Persian-Swahili population established cities and city-states along the East African coast. These cities and states captured or purchased slaves from the East African interior for domestic and agricultural tasks. In the 18th and 19th centuries, as plantation agriculture developed in the region, the East African slave trade increased dramatically.

Scholars' opinions differ on the issue of the long-term effects of Islam on African slavery. Some believe that Islamic law helped regulate slavery, thus limiting its abuses; these scholars often argue that because Islam encouraged the freeing of slaves upon their master's death, it increased instances of emancipation. Other scholars believe that Islam led to the expansion of slavery, arguing that at the time that slavery was growing in the parts of Africa coming under Islamic influence, slavery was declining in most of medieval Europe.

Between the 7th and the 15th century, the trans-Saharan and East African slave trades spurred the gradual expansion of slavery within Africa. The slave trades contributed to the development of powerful African states on the southern fringes of the Sahara and in the East African interior. The economies of these states were dependent on slave trading. Neighboring states competed with one another for trade, leading to wars, which in turn led to the capture of more slaves. Slave raiding in West, East, and Central Africa became more common and wide-ranging. When European explorers and traders arrived in West Africa beginning in the 15th century, they found and began using well-established slave-trade networks. While the trans-Saharan and East African slave trades continued until the early 20th century, they were overshadowed by the Atlantic slave trade after the 15th century. The Atlantic slave trade dwarfed the trans-Saharan and East African trades in terms of volume of export, impact on African practices of slavery, and lasting effect on Africa in general.

B. The Atlantic Slave Trade

The Atlantic slave trade developed after Europeans began exploring and establishing trading posts on the Atlantic (west) coast of Africa in the mid-15th century. The first major group of European traders in West Africa was the Portuguese, followed by the British and the French. In the 16th and 17th centuries, these European colonial powers began to pursue plantation agriculture in their expanding possessions in the New World (North, Central, and South America, and the Caribbean islands), across the Atlantic Ocean. As European demand grew for products such as sugar, tobacco, rice, indigo, and cotton, and as more New World lands became available for European use, the need for plantation labor increased.

West and west central African states, already involved in slave trading, supplied the Europeans with African slaves for export across the Atlantic. Africans tended to live longer on the tropical plantations of the New World than did European laborers (who were susceptible to tropical diseases) and Native Americans (who were extremely susceptible to "Old World" diseases brought by the Europeans from Europe, Asia, and Africa). Also, enslaved men and women from Africa were inexpensive by European standards. Therefore, Africans became the major source, and eventually the only source, of New World plantation labor.

The Africans who facilitated and benefited from the Atlantic slave trade were political or commercial elites–generally members of the ruling apparatus of African states or members of large trading families or institutions. African sellers captured slaves and brought them to markets on the coast. At these markets European and American buyers paid for the slaves with commodities–including cloth, iron, firearms, liquor, and decorative items–that were useful to the sellers. Slave sellers were mostly male, and they used their increased wealth to enhance their prestige and connect themselves, through marriage, to other wealthy families in their realms.

The Africans who were enslaved were mostly prisoners of war or captives resulting from slave raids. As the demand for slaves grew, so did the practice of systematic slave raiding, which increased in scope and efficiency with the introduction of firearms to Africa in the 17th century. By the 18th century, most African slaves were acquired through slave raids, which penetrated farther and farther inland. Africans captured in raids were marched down well-worn paths, sometimes for several hundred miles, to markets on the coast.

From the mid-15th to the late-19th century, European and American slave traders purchased approximately 12 million slaves from West and west central Africa. A small percentage of these slaves, particularly in the early years of the trade, were sent to Europe, especially to Spain and Portugal. Most, however, were shipped across the Atlantic for sale in Portuguese-administered Brazil; the British, French, Dutch, and Danish islands of the Caribbean; Spanish-controlled South and Central America; and the British North American mainland (later the United States and Canada). The Atlantic crossing, known as the Middle Passage, was nightmarish for slaves, who were poorly fed, subject to abuses at the hands of the crew, and confined to cramped storage holds in which diseases spread easily. Historians estimate that between 1.5 and 2 million slaves died during the journey to the New World.

The Atlantic slave trade differed from previous practices of slavery and slave trading in Africa in its huge scope and its importance to the economies of world powers. While traditional African slavery was practiced largely to help African communities produce food and goods or for prestige, slave labor on European plantations in the New World was crucial to the economies of the colonies and therefore to the economies of the colonial powers. This global economic demand for African slaves altered African practices of slavery. In much of Africa, slavery became a more central, structural element of African life, as rulers and wealthy elites sought to accumulate more and more slaves, for sale as well as for their own use. In addition to the systematic and institutional practice of slave raiding, other practices were introduced in African states to bring in even more slaves, including enslavement as punishment for crimes and religious wrongdoing. As a result, by the 19th century vast numbers of black Africans in West and Central Africa faced the threat of being enslaved.

IV. The End of Slavery in Africa

IV. The End of Slavery in Africa

As humanitarian sentiments grew in Western Europe with the 18th-century Age of Enlightenment and as European economic interests shifted slowly from agriculture to industry, a movement to abolish the slave trade and the practice of slavery came into being in the Western world. In 1807 the slave trade was outlawed in Britain and the United States. Britain outlawed the practice of slavery in all British territory in 1833; France did the same in its colonies in 1848. In 1865, following the American Civil War, the U.S. government adopted the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, ending slavery in the United States. The Atlantic slave trade continued, however, until 1888, when Brazil abolished slavery (the last New World country to do so).

While the Atlantic slave trade was dying down around 1850, the trans-Saharan and East African slave trades were at their peaks. In the 1850s the Ottoman Empire nominally outlawed slavery in much of the Islamic world, but this had only a minor effect on the slave trade. One of the main justifications European powers gave for colonizing nearly the entire African continent during the 1880s and 1890s was the desire to end slave trading and slavery in Africa. By the dawn of the 20th century, European forces had defeated most African slave trading states, and the trans-Saharan and East African slave trades came to an end.

Although colonial authorities began outlawing slavery in some African territories as early as the 1830s, the complete legal abolition of slavery in Africa did not take place until the first quarter of the 20th century. By that time, however, slavery was deeply ingrained in most African societies, and thus the practice continued illegally. Slaves who became liberated often did so by escaping and going to the colonial authorities or by simply leaving the areas in which they had been held to take up residence elsewhere. In some places, enslaved persons held that status throughout their lives, despite the legal prohibition. It was not until the 1930s that slavery in Africa was almost totally eliminated.

The ending of the slave trade and slavery in Africa had wide-ranging effects on the African continent. Many societies that for centuries had participated in an economy based on slave labor and the trading of slaves had difficulty finding new ways to organize labor and gain wealth. Meanwhile, colonial governments in Africa that outwardly disapproved of slavery still needed inexpensive laborers for agriculture, industry, and other work projects. As a result, African leaders and former slave owners, as well as colonial officials, often developed methods of coercing Africans to work without pay or for minimal compensation. Moreover, the outlawing of slavery did not erase the pain and stigma of having been a slave. Many descendants of slaves were affected by this stigma for generations after slavery was abolished.
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Europeans making slaves of Africans was about white supremacy. Europeans used to think that Africans were inferior people and even subhuman. This racist ideology fueled the slavery. This racist ideology was absent in the Africans in regards to enslaving other Africans.

African slaves were even treated like members of the family. They could buy their own freedom.


any ways.......I don't know why the Africans giving slaves to Europeans is mentioned. This seems to be a typical argument that many whites use to argue against racism against blacks. They tend to not mention that the slavery is different in Africa as well as Africa colonized by Europeans too.


Futhermore, it also doesn't negate the fact that USA was not made for all people. It was only made for white people. It wasn't made for Native Americans. It wasn't made for black people. It wasn't made for Asians. It wasn't even made for all kinds of European people either. It also wasn't made for homosexuals. It was made for nonChristians. It wasn't made for women.

I strongly believe in equality. I just point out that there is always has been a history of inequality here in USA. Racism has always been a problem here in USA. Racism didn't go away. Racism is just more subtle. A lot of racism can be easily found in
There are also numerous hate groups in USA. That's a fact. I also think that it's unfair for civil rights group to be accused of being groups like the Klu Klux Klan.

Just like both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Frederick Douglass said, the 4th of July doesn't apply to Blacks. The Declaration of Independence wasn't made for all people in mind. The founding fathers had slaves. There were slaves in the white house. Those are facts. Yes..George Washington freed his slaves, but that was after his death. He didn't free all his slaves during the American Revolutionary War. If he really was for liberty and justice for all, he would have freed all his slaves. When he was president, he should have made sure that all slaves in USA were free.


I am not racist,prejudiced.

I love people of all races,ethnicities.
I am also a strong believer in homosexual rights, and I did vote NO on Proposition 8 which took away homosexual marriage rights here in California. I am also member of National Organization for Women too.
I am not even into NAACP stuff. I don't support that group because they don't believe in multiracial identities like I do. I always strived to acknowledge and embrace my multiracial identity and not go with the racial status quo. I have never went with the racial status quo. My cultural tastes have never been confined to any race. They have always been diverse.

I stressed about inequality issues in regards to homosexuals and women too and not just race. I don't know why this focus on me being race-obsessed. I am equality-obsessed. I am highly focused on the equality and harmony among races. I strongly believe that we should all love each other and be in unity, but I am realistic to know that we are far from doing that. I am a strong believer in my fellow Pisces Moon Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream, but it hasn't been fully realized yet. It may not be for a very long time. I have no icons. If there ever was a person that I would consider my icon is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The other one would be Frederick Douglass who was not only a great abolitionist, he was also a strong supporter of women's rights. He was a former slave. He was the son of black woman and white man. His first wife was black,and his second wife was white. He was given a hard time about his interracial marriage with a white woman. His response was "My first wife was the color of my mother,and my second wife is the color of my father." He acknowledged and embraced both his white and black halves. Those were things that I cherish about him. He is why I would find him more my icon than Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. In my Neurodiversity Advocacy, I strive to be more like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and not Malcolm X. I don't want to create a bridge between the neurodiversity community and biomed community. I have written posts acknowledging both genetic neurodivergent conditions and acquired neurodivergent conditions.


I was one of only 2.4 percent of US Census takers that identified as more than one race. I embrace my multiracial heritage. People say that most people are mixed. It seems that maybe a lot of people have issues with race if they don't identify as mixed. I don't have that issue. I identified as multiracial on both 2000 and 2010 Censuses. I will identify as that on every Census. I identified as multiracial on forms before the 2000 Census too.

I like being a Melting Pot American of African,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto Rican, and Native American Cherokee ancestry. In my opinion, I symbolize what today's America is about and not what yesterday's America is about. I wouldn't have it any other way. When people ask me what I am, I tell them that I am that stuff. I don't leave anything out. When I have children, I will raise my children to acknowledge and embrace all their heritage.


As for homosexual rights, I will always believe that homosexual marriage should be legal. Marriage should be a right for both heterosexuals and homosexuals. People's religious beliefs shouldn't infringe on the rights of others. Not everybody is a Christian. We have freedom of religion in this country. The USA is not a Christian nation. It's a secular nation. It's about separation between church and state. Of course, it definitely hasn't been that way. That shows how much hypocrisy there is in the US Govt.

Interracial relationships/marriages were illegal in the USA too. They used religious arguments to say that those types of relationships/marriages are wrong. It took a Supreme Court ruling in 1967 abolish all anti-racemixing laws in the USA. This was only 4 years before I was born. I was born from an interracial relationship between a white woman and black man. I have been in interracial relationships with white women. I find myself attracted mainly to white white women. My white mother has never been involved with any white men. She's mainly been with black men. People have their own preferences, and there is nothing wrong with that. I believe that it also applies to heterosexuality and homosexuality. I believe that both are natural ways of being. You could say that it could be part of neurodiversity. Homosexual people are wired differently, and there is scientific evidence that supports it. We can't just be ignorant and pretend that homosexuality is not a natural thing. Homosexuality is even present in many animal species.

Women have been treated as 2nd classes citizens for a long time. There have been inequality issues in regards to pay. There are people who want to deny them their abortion rights. I am a strong believer in prochoice. I don't want to deny the rights of any woman. I don't believe religious beliefs should infringe on the rights of women.

I couldn't help join National Organization for Women (NOW) which not only strives for equal rights for women but equal rights for all people. It was founded on October 29, 1966. I was born on October 29, 1971. I didn't find that out until after I joined.
It's no coincidence that I am a strong believer in equality, and I was born on the anniversary of

It's no coincidence that my parents met in San Francisco and I was born there with it being a city known for being very liberal,progressive,openminded,and diverse.

It's the perfect place for a multiracial neurodivergent person to be born.

I am not ashamed to have liberal,progressive values. I am very proud of them. However, I don't think that I am better than anybody because of my values. After all, I believe that all of us are created equal. Therefore, I believe that highly conservative people are equal to me even though I am very sure that a lot of those types of people think that I am not their equal.


I live for equality,and I will die for equality!


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Now as for the Kennewick Man,

Kennewick Man Skeletal Find May Revolutionalize Continent's History

ScienceDaily (Apr. 26, 2006) — A forensic anthropologist at Middle Tennessee State University is one of a select number of scientists to participate in the examination of a skeleton that could force historians to rewrite the story of the entire North American continent.
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Dr. Hugh Berryman, research professor, was one of only 11 experts from across the United States to scrutinize the bones of Kennewick Man, a 9,300-year-old skeleton found 10 years ago along the Columbia River at Kennewick, Wash.

“It’s one of the oldest skeletons, one of the earliest individuals that populated this continent,” Berryman says. “And we have a chance to look at those remains and learn from them what they tell us about the past and who these people were.”

The 380 bones are being preserved at the University of Washington’s Burke Museum under an agreement with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which controls the land on which Kennewick was discovered. Berryman says he was between two and three feet deep in the ground. The burial miraculously saved the bones from the elements, the animals, machinery and man for centuries, and ancient deposits of calcium carbonate on the bones allowed the researchers to determine the positioning of the bones in the ground.

“We have evidence that the bones were still in anatomic order,” Berryman says. “He was still articulated, and he appears to have been a burial. So once something is buried, that moves it at a depth that perhaps the coyotes, the wolves, scavengers could not get to it.”

The July 2005 research was very nearly derailed when the Corps initially decided to turn Kennewick over to a coalition of Native American tribes. Eight scientists filed a federal lawsuit to gain permission to study the skeleton. A federal judge, whose ruling later was upheld by the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, decided in favor of the scientists after determining that the tribes could not prove a direct cultural affiliation with Kennewick.

Berryman says the information that can be gleaned from Kennewick came close to being lost forever.

“Since 1990, we’ve lost most of the skeletal remains from groups,” Berryman says. “It’s a shame that a lot of these groups are already gone. We have no way of knowing what kind of movements there were in prehistoric times, where these people came from, who they were related to, what other tribal groups they might be related to.”

What the experts were able to ascertain from their brief encounter with Kennewick is that he did not look like a Native American. In fact, Berryman says Kennewick’s facial features are most similar to those of a Japanese group called the Ainu, who have a different physical makeup and cultural background from the ethnic Japanese.

Some Ainu’s facial features appear European. Their eyes may lack the Asian almond-shaped appearance, and their hair may be light and curly in color. However, this does not mean that Kennewick Man necessarily was European in origin. His features more closely resemble those of the natives of the Pacific Rim than those of Native Americans.

Berryman, a fracture expert who was trained in the fine art of picking apart dead people at the University of Tennessee’s “Body Farm,” also documented three types of bone breaks in Kennewick—fractures that were suffered in his lifetime and then healed, fractures that happened after his burial, and fractures that occurred when the skeleton was eroded from the riverbank.

Part of a spear had remained lodged in Kennewick’s right hip bone at a 77-degree angle, but, remarkably, the spear did not cause his death. The cause of his demise remains a mystery. What is known is that this athletic, rugged hunter suffered many physical traumas before finally expiring in his mid-to-late 30s.

“The muscle markings are pretty pronounced,” Berryman says.“He was probably a well-built individual. The bones of the right arm were larger than the left.”

The bigger right arm can be explained by the 18-to-24-inch-long atlatl, or spear thrower, that gave him and his contemporaries the ability to propel a spear up to the length of a football field in order to kill their food. Kennewick died long before the invention of the bow and arrow.

Berryman says Kennewick has only begun to reveal the story of his life and times, and it would be tremendous to have other scientists examine his bones.

“It was a lot slower process than we thought,” Berryman says. “The first day, all day, we looked at one bone, one femur. And then we realized at the end of the day that we were going to be lucky to be able to cover this the way that it should be in a week-and-a-half.”

Age, ancestry, sex, height, pathologies, types of trauma, even whether a woman has given birth—all can be determined just from examining a skeleton, says Berryman, who often is called upon to give expert testimony on bones in criminal trials.

“Bone is great at recording its own history,” he says.“Throughout your life, there are different things that you do, and they may leave little signs in the bone. If you can read those signs, it’s almost like interviewing a person.”'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060425183740.htm

What the experts were able to ascertain from their brief encounter with Kennewick is that he did not look like a Native American. In fact, Berryman says Kennewick’s facial features are most similar to those of a Japanese group called the Ainu, who have a different physical makeup and cultural background from the ethnic Japanese.

Some Ainu’s facial features appear European. Their eyes may lack the Asian almond-shaped appearance, and their hair may be light and curly in color. However, this does not mean that Kennewick Man necessarily was European in origin. His features more closely resemble those of the natives of the Pacific Rim than those of Native Americans.

Kennewick Man may not even be European in origin. His features more closely resemble those of the natives of the Pacific Rim.

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Scientific importance

The remains had been dotted in the reservoir due to erosion. Following delivery of the skull by the coroner, they were observed by archaeologist James Chatters. After ten visits to the spot, Chatters had managed to gather 350 bones and pieces of bone, which with the skull completed almost an entire skeleton.

* The skull was fully intact with all the teeth that had been present at the time of death. All main bones were found, apart from the sternum and a few bones of the hands and feet.

* The remains were determined to be those of "a male of late middle age (40-55 years), and tall (170 to 176 cm), slim build". Most of the bones were broken into several pieces.

* At the University of California at Riverside, a small bone fragment was focused to radiocarbon dating.

* This fixed the age of the skeleton at around 8,400 radiocarbon years or 9,300 calendar years, not the nineteenth century, as had originally been assumed. After studying the bones, Chatters completed they belonged to a Caucasoid male about 68 inches (173 cm) tall who had died in his mid fifties.


To additional examine the mystery of the Kennewick man and determine if the skeleton belonged to the Umatilla Native American tribe, an extraction of DNA was analyzed but at first could not be finished because it contradicted Native American values protected under NAGPRA.

He said that Kennewick Man was not European but quite resembled South Asians and the Ainu people of northeast Asia. The consequences of a graphic relationship, including size, of Kennewick Man to 18 modern populations conducted by Chatters et al. showed he was most closely related to the Ainu.
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