posted March 20, 2014 05:32 PM            

So if you weren't talking about fossil fuels causing global cooling, what were you talking about?

The brain dead twits of the man made global warming religion say fossil fuels heat the atmosphere by releasing carbon dioxide which traps heat.

But, the brain dead don't seem to know that plants just love carbon dioxide and thrive in a higher concentration than exists now. In fact, plants would love carbon dioxide concentrations at least 25% higher than they are now.

posted March 20, 2014 11:25 PM            

Which is absolute nonsense on every level and when I called you on your nonsense, you did what leftists always do; ducked, bobbed, weaved and evaded giving a straight answer.

btw, air pollution, including smog does not "cripple crops" either.

Further, the crackpot theory of man made global warming claims burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide which they say traps heat and causes global warming.

posted March 21, 2014 12:15 PM            

In China, RIGHT NOW, plants are struggling due to air pollution.

The NDRC said it would also take action this year to tackle agricultural pollution, including the contamination of farmland by heavy metals, with 3.33 million hectares (8 million acres) believed to be too polluted to grow crops.

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Li said China would also aim to convert 333,300 hectares of marginal farmland to forest and grassland and would continue to fight desertification and recover wetlands. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/05/us-china-parliament-pollution-idUSBREA2405W20140305

Air pollution now impeding photosynthesis and potentially wreaking havoc on country's food supply, experts warn.
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She has demonstrated that air pollutants adhere to greenhouse surfaces, cutting the amount of light inside by about 50% and severely impeding photosynthesis, the process by which plants convert light into life-sustaining chemical energy.

She tested the hypothesis by growing one group of chilli and tomato seeds under artificial lab light, and another under a suburban Beijing greenhouse. In the lab, the seeds sprouted in 20 days; in the greenhouse, they took more than two months. "They will be lucky to live at all," He told the South China Morning Post newspaper. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/25/china-toxic-air-pollution-nuclear-winter-scientists

"Some government officials might worry that linking smog to agricultural production would prompt a panic. But there is no denying the sunlight that reaches Chinese soil has been dramatically reduced in recent years."
MENG JIHUA, CHINESE ACADEMY OF SCIENCES http://cir.ca/news/china-air-quality-problems

posted March 21, 2014 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Isn't that basically what nuclear winter is/was? On a massive scale...anyway the effect is the same...we don't need nukes to kill ourselves, just unregulated (unfettered) business

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posted March 21, 2014 02:48 PM            

Neither is smog crippling food crop harvests. You know nothing about crop production or how plants convert certain spectrums of light to power their internal processes.

I lived in Southern California at the height of the smog blanket. Crops flourished, from citrus to strawberries. My personal garden planted in produce flourished too.

Pull your head out acoustic and have a good look around before shooting your mouth off. The so called experts you quote are experts in only one thing...bullshiiit.

posted March 21, 2014 04:45 PM            

As to knowing what they're talking about, the smog in LA was never as bad as it has been recently in China, and it is aChinese scientist reporting her findings, not AG, whose words you are calling groundless.

posted March 21, 2014 05:43 PM            

Air pollution and especially the EPA joke of carbon dioxide as an air pollutant crippling food crops is a non starter.

If you want to talk about soil contamination due to heavy metal run-off from manufacturing process then that's a different thing.

posted March 22, 2014 09:19 AM            

You attempted to link colder climate...not of nuclear winter variety...with oil, coal and smog to cripple food crop production.

posted March 22, 2014 11:38 AM            

Cat is right that Southern Californian smog isn't the same as the smog happening in China right now. You're attempting to dismiss the information presented because you simply don't like being wrong. It's just that simple. Don't propose that you're going to lecture me about anything given your history here.

posted March 22, 2014 02:26 PM            

It's just nonsense to attempt to link burning of oil and coal to lower temperatures and add smog into the mix to tout crippling food crop production.

Besides which, the man made global warming loons allege burning oil and coal causes rising temperatures...not cooler temperatures.

posted March 22, 2014 03:01 PM            

Look like LA? Hint...different natural climates and regulations, and chemical ingredients, make different results.

posted March 22, 2014 10:41 PM            

Further, since you weren't in LA County in the late 50s and 60s and I was, I know a hell of a lot more about the smog blanket in the LA basin than you do.

posted March 23, 2014 01:09 AM            

LA was bad enough, wasn't it? But not bad enough to wilt your veggie garden or send four year olds to hospital with lung disease/cancer.

posted March 24, 2014 07:56 AM            

LA County had/has a smog problem because of the basin bounded on the west by the Pacific Ocean and the onshore blowing breezes and bounded on the east by the San Gabriel Mountains which traps nitrogen dioxide, sulphur dioxide and carbon monoxide creating photochemical smog in the LA Basin when sunlight activates the components...photochemical..producing smog.

So, how bad was it in the 50s and 60s? Bad enough that the San Gabriel Mountains were only a hazy outline, even for those like me who lived in the foothills area.

It did not affect crop production. The foothills were home to citrus groves from Glendora all the way out to Fontana...which is in San Bernardino County.

Coal burning is not banned in London.

"Much to my surprise, coal burning is still possible. The Clean Air Act of 1993 makes it illegal to emit smoke in a designated Smoke Control Area, such as the London boroughs. You’re only allowed to use authorized fuels which include gas, electricity and anthracite – ie. coal."
http://www.cathrynsymons.com/blog/2010/01/26/burning-coal-in-central-london/