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Node
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posted March 24, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JW~
are you playing fan-boy of coal now?

Surely, even you realize that you are arguing for arguments sake.

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Barbara Freese opens her informative book – Coal: A Human History – by describing noblemen visiting London in 1306 and being appalled by the degradation of local air quality by coal burning by blacksmiths and artisans. In response, Edward I banned the use of the fuel, ordering that first offenders be punished with “great fines and ransoms” while second offenders were to have their furnaces smashed.

Where might we be had that early coal ban stuck>?

back then, I would imagine many died, and many more lost a business because Noblemen were offended by smog.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0709/328419-smoky-coal-ban/

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posted March 24, 2014 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
China isn't going to go back to the dark ages just because some IPCC self-appointed royalty say so.

Tell the volcanoes to stop producing so much smog.

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posted March 24, 2014 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sigh...
China is instigating regulations to deal with the issue, as has every other place where it got that bad. Including California, where I live and jwhop does not.

And yes, coal that doesn't produce SMOKE is still allowed in London and other parts of England, that doesn't change the fact that SMOKE PRODUCING fires and power generators have been banned for decades.

Nor is "cleanburning" coal toxin free, but it is better than the dirtier kind.

And once again, I could care less about temperature.

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posted March 24, 2014 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can't begin to control volcanoes. We can only do what we CAN control...like you can refrain from smoking even of youcan't stop the sun shining. We can pick our poisons and actions rather than saying..".life is not perfect so why do anything?"
"I might die today so I won't go to work" or fill in your own version.

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posted March 24, 2014 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, and one volcanic eruption does far more than man ever has, so man's contributions are insignificant and not worthy of any control over or limiting of. If you can't stop the volcanoes, then stop wasting your time. It may make you falsely "feel good," but you are just spitting into the wind and running around in a circle of futility getting nowhere just for the sake of warm feelings in your heart--and at the expense of ruining industries and the real lives affected by your nonsensical feel good efforts.

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posted March 24, 2014 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see...so you think because the road is awash in gasoline anyway you might as well drop a tiny little lit match on it, it won't make any difference...

Or because people are starving in Africa we might as well just refuse to share any of our food with them cause they won't survive anyway.

Or because your business (hypothetical) didn't make a million in the first three months you throw in the towel and rob a bank.

Right? Volcanoes have always been and we can't control them. Does that mean we shouldn't bother controlling our own home fires, just let them burn down the town?

I fail to see your logic

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posted March 24, 2014 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apples and oranges. Try again.

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posted March 25, 2014 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's ok, Randall,...Perhaps the penny will drop later. Size is not everything.

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posted March 25, 2014 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I see...so you think because the road is awash in gasoline anyway you might as well drop a tiny little lit match on it, it won't make any difference...
Or because people are starving in Africa we might as well just refuse to share any of our food with them cause they won't survive anyway."...Catalina/katatonic

Utter nonsense and claptrap.

People in under developed nation are on the edge of starvation...largely because of the so called greens, the nuts who want corn made into ethanol which reduced the food crop corn available to feed a hungry world. Millions of acres of corn and wheat producing farm land has been converted to corn for ethanol production.

And here you are Catalina/katatonic wheezing and whining about starving Africans when the green nuts you support bear the heaviest responsibility for their plight.

Disgusting to say the least.

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posted March 25, 2014 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your righteous condemnation is misplaced zweetikins, I don't support ethanol anymore than i did the food mountains that were the previous reason we"couldn't"share our excess with those who had too little. So, peas orf, k?

The fact that volcanoes create warming and/or pollution is no more excuse for humans continuing to ADD to the atmospheric, aquatic and energetic garbage than the Dems being in the Whitehouse is a reason to wear a hat.

In other words it is a completely irrelevant, self-excusing load of bunk. Guessing you have a guilty conscience to assume I was preaching feeding Africans.

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posted March 25, 2014 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't seem to understand that because we cannot control volcanoes and other natural phenomena, trying to exercise any sort of change whatsoever by focusing on the nominal contributions of man is futile.

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posted March 25, 2014 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I understand you. And I think it is like saying Rt hat since most people eat junk food we should give up trying to eat real food

All my examples are about throwing in the towel because there will always be parts of life you can't control.

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posted March 26, 2014 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your righteous condemnation is misplaced zweetikins, I don't support ethanol..."..Catalina/katatonic

No one said YOU support ethanol. But, you do support the moronic so called green idiots who DO support converting corn food crop acreage to corn for ethanol.

Not only is the American ethanol for fuel program starving the most vulnerable on earth; it's also in direct contradiction to sensible fresh water usage. It takes more than 100 gallons of fresh water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol.

There is no intelligent life on the left.

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posted March 27, 2014 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
March 27, 2014
The Coming Paradigm Shift on Climate
By S. Fred Singer

The just-published NIPCC reports may lead to a paradigm shift about what or who causes current climate changes. All the evidence suggests that Nature rules the climate – not Man.

Watch for it: We may be on the threshold of a tipping point in climate history. No, I’m not talking about a tipping point in the sense that the Earth will be covered with ice or become hellishly hot. I’m talking about a tipping point in our views of what controls the climate -- whether it’s mainly humans or whether it’s mainly natural. It makes an enormous difference in climate policy: Do we try to mitigate, at huge cost, or do we merely adapt to natural changes -- as our ancestors did for many millennia?

Such tipping points occur quite frequently in science. I have personally witnessed two paradigm shifts where world scientific opinion changed rapidly -- almost overnight. One was in Cosmology, where the “Steady State” theory of the Universe was replaced by the “Big Bang.” This shift was confirmed by the discovery of the “microwave background radiation,” which has already garnered Nobel prizes, and will likely get more.

The other major shift occurred in Continental Drift. After being denounced by the Science Establishment, the hypothesis of Alfred Wegener, initially based on approximate relations between South America and Africa, was dramatically confirmed by the discovery of “sea-floor spreading.”

These shifts were possible because there were no commercial or financial interests -- and they did not involve the public and politicians. But climate is a different animal: The financial stakes are huge -- in the trillions of dollars, and affect energy policy, and indeed the economic wellbeing of every inhabitant of the developed and developing world. For example, the conversion into ethanol fuel of a substantial portion of the US corn crop raised the price of tortillas in Mexico and caused food riots.

Nevertheless, I believe the time is right for a paradigm shift on climate. For one, there has been no warming now for some 15 years -- in spite of rising levels of greenhouse (GH) gases. Climate models have not come up with any accepted explanation. This disparity, of course, throws great doubt about any future warming derived from these same models, and indeed also about policies that are being advocated -- principally, the mitigation and control of Carbon Dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels.

Next year, in Paris, the UN will try to reconstitute the basic features of the (1997-2012) Kyoto Protocol -- an international treaty of participating nations to limit their emissions of CO2. They may succeed -- unless the current paradigm changes.

We can already see the pressure building up for such a treaty. The big guns of international science are actively promoting climate scares. The Royal Society and US National Academy of Sciences have published a joint major report, containing no new science but advocating a “need for action.” The AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science), the largest scientific organization in the United States, is promoting the same policy, again without a shred of science in their slick pamphlet. Even the once-respected Scientific American magazine has gotten into the act and openly advocates such policies.

All of these Establishment groups, it seems, have a keen eye open for government funding -- not only for research but also the actions that go with such policies. They all accept the climate science as propagated by the three volumes of the 5th Assessment Report (AR5) of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change). Volume #1, dealing with physical science, was published in Sept 2013; volumes 2 and 3, dealing with impacts and mitigation, will be published in March and April of 2014.

But now, for the first time, we have NIPCC (Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change) as a counter to the IPCC, as an independent voice, a second opinion, if you will -- something that was advocated by the IAC (InterAcademy Council on Science). We now have a credible number of studies, which the IPCC chose to ignore in reaching their conclusion about anthropogenic global warming (AGW). The NIPCC reports were also published in September 2013 (Physical Science), and in March and April of 2014 (Biological Impacts and Societal Impacts).

The NIPCC, in particular its Summary for Policy-Makers (SPM) of Vol 1, looks critically at the evidence that the IPCC uses to back up their claim of AGW. NIPCC notes that the evidence keeps changing over time. The first IPCC report (1990) used an improbable statistical method to suggest that the warming of the early part of the 20th century was due to human-produced GH gases; no one believes this anymore.

The second assessment report of 1996, which led to the infamous 1997 Kyoto Protocol, manufactured the so-called “HotSpot,” a region of increased warming trend, with a maximum in the equatorial troposphere. That evidence has also disappeared: a detailed analysis (published in Nature 1996) showed that the hHotspot doesn’t even exist. In addition, the assumption that it constitutes a “fingerprint” for AGW is in error.

As a result of these two failed attempts to establish some kind of evidence for AGW, the third IPCC report (2001) latched on to the so-called “Hockeystick” graph, which claimed that only the 20th century showed unusual warming during the past 1000 years. However, further scrutiny demonstrated that the Hockeystick was also manufactured -- based on faulty data, erroneous statistical methods, and an inappropriate calibration method. Even purely random data fed into the algorithm would always produce a hockeystick.

In its most recent AR5 of 2013, the IPCC has dropped all previous pieces of evidence and instead concentrates on trying to prove that the reported surface warming between 1978 and 2000 agrees with a warming predicted by climate models. This so-called proof turns out to be a weak reed indeed. The reported warming applies only to surface (land-based) weather stations and is not seen in any other data set; the weather satellite data that measure atmospheric temperature show no significant trend -- neither do proxy data (from analysis of tree rings, ocean/lake sediments, stalagmites, etc)

It can therefore be argued that there has been no appreciable human-caused warming in the 20th century at all -- and that the warming effects of rising GH-gas content of the atmosphere have been quite insignificant. See also http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/ipcc_s_bogus_evidence_for_global_warming.html

But what about future global temperatures? Opinions differ sharply -- all the way from another “Little Ice Age” (a calamity, in my opinion) to a resumption of warming (aided by the “missing heat” that some alarmists are sure is hiding somewhere). Personally, I don’t do forecasts since I know too little about the Sun’s interior; I simply try to understand and explain the past climate. But if pressed, I would go with historic cycles, like the observed 1000-1500-yr cycle; it suggests a modest warming over the next few centuries, perhaps in ‘fits and starts’ -- unlike computer models that yield a steady increase in temperature from a steady increase of GH-gas levels.

Will nations accept any treaties emanating from the 2015 Paris Conference? So far, only Western Europe seems to be keen on ratifying -- and even there, doubts are developing. Eastern Europe is definitely against any new Protocol, as are Japan, Australia, and Canada. And what about the Chinese, the world’s largest emitters of CO2? They gain a competitive advantage if their commercial competitors accept the Treaty’s restrictions, which raise their cost of energy.

The United States may be in a transition mode -- and that’s where a paradigm shift could really make a global difference. According to the latest Gallup poll, the US public ranks Global Warming almost at the bottom of twenty issues, mostly concerned with economics. The White House, however, seems to be gung-ho for climate alarmism. President Obama is planning new climate initiatives, based on advice from his Science Adviser, John Holdren, an erstwhile disciple of “Population Bomb” Paul Ehrlich. John Podesta has come aboard as counselor and special assistant to the President to push climate initiatives. And of course, the rest of the Administration is in tune with the White House.

Secretary of State John Kerry considers AGW the greatest challenge to US security -- in spite of having his plate full of foreign-policy problems: the Iran nuclear negotiations, the Syrian civil war, a developing Sunni insurgency in Iraq, the Arab-Israel ‘peace’ negotiations, and the Russian annexation of Crimea.

In mid-2014, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) will issue its opinion on the EPA’s mis-guided and unscientific efforts to limit or even abolish the use of coal for electric generation. If SCOTUS can become aware of the NIPCC conclusions, they will surely decide against EPA and therefore the WH. Such an event may become the trigger for a cataclysmic paradigm shift in US policy on energy and climate. The November 2014 elections could tip the balance and finally kill the myth of Global Warming catastrophes in the US and throughout the world.

NIPCC Conclusions in Brief

Backed by thousands of peer-reviewed studies, are in striking contrast to the IPCC’s alarmist predictions:

**Climate data tell us that the human impact on Earth’s climate is very small and that any warming due to GH gases will be so small as to be indiscernible from natural variability.
**The net impacts of modestly rising temperatures and higher carbon-dioxide levels on plants, animals, wildlife, and human welfare have been positive so far and are likely to continue to be positive.
**The costs of trying to mitigate climate change by reducing emissions vastly exceed the benefits. Annual cost per US household would run to some $3,900; would destroy millions of jobs.
**In light of the new science and economics of climate change, thousands of laws passed at the height of the global warming scare need to be re-evaluated, modified, or repealed.

S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus at the University of Virginia and director of the Science & Environmental Policy Project. His specialty is atmospheric and space physics. An expert in remote sensing and satellites, he served as the founding director of the US Weather Satellite Service and, more recently, as vice chair of the US National Advisory Committee on Oceans & Atmosphere.

http://americanthinker.com/2014/03/the_coming_paradigm_shift_on_climate_.html

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posted March 27, 2014 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good stuff, Jwhop! Very impressive scientists in the NIPCC! Quite true about continental drift. Consensus can, indeed, be on the wrong side of the science. We've seen this in medicine, as well. When one researcher claimed ulcers were caused by a bacterium, he was the laughing stock of the scientific community. Scientists are often elitists. Of course, he was proven right, and medicine related to ulcers had that paradigm shift (now cured by a simple antibiotic).

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posted March 27, 2014 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As long as you continue to pigeonhole me, Jwhop, you will continue to get me wrong. Not that that appears to bother you. Your agenda doesn't seem to be about anything but caricatures, stereotypes, and generalizations...which prevents you from hearing what others have to say.

I don't support ethanol, nor coal, nor oil production that spills into our water and earth constantly. That some people claim ethanol is "green" is not my fault. However you condemn the IPCC for political motivation while you endorse the SEPP which its equally politically (and financially) motivated. No score
http://www.sciencecorruption.com/ATN183/00358.html

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posted March 27, 2014 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hint: ANY "scientist" who claims to have definitively answered a question is talking from ego not science. Debunking one consensus with another is posturing.

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posted March 27, 2014 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As to starvation in Africa, and lack of potable water, Nigeria for one is awash in crude from spills and decrepit pipelines. They could grow their own corn if they weren't hostage to oil companies...average life expectancy there last i heard was around 40.

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posted April 01, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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posted April 02, 2014 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahaha, what trash!

"They could grow their own corn if they weren't hostage to oil companies"..Catalina/katatonic

Multinational oil companies are preventing Nigerians from growing their own corn?

What idiot whispered that nonsense in your ear?

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posted April 02, 2014 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seen any pics of Nigeria lately?

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