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Topic: A Third War In Libya
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Quinnie
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posted March 21, 2011 06:36 PM
  
Jwhop...My perspective is an anti-war and pro human rights perspective. Firstly Hamas is NOT representative of EVERY Palestinian...
and the people of Israel do NOT all agree with the blockade and Israel government's use of defence. It is you sir who is highly dismissive of the reality of life in Palestine and it's effects on human beings. Something that can be discontinued in ways that do not involve all out war.
Poverty and refugee status immobilises people
war and murder leaves orphans,
diplaced people, emotional scars and people with hatred.
Thank you for the historical facts...Now I will explain why I believe many governments in this globe are tyrannical, using social and economic facts to highlight this. I already explained to you why I think Israel is a dictatorship. Using a blockade to control the people of Palestine, which includes surveilance and patrolling of the borders, control of Gaza's water and air space... but ultimately the inhumane war on gaza and the war crimes that occured,is the main reasoning. Not to mention the possibility...(note that I write possibility) that Israel has nuclear weapons... In saying that I think that the UN, US, the UK all display tyrannical behaviour towards middle eastern countries. Look at the Iraq war...Without regard for culture and the social issues and deprivation going on in these countries... the solution for the big Dudes with big guns and fighter jets is to ram stam into any country that they perceive imposes a threat and kill their civilians. That may not be the political agenda... but that is the reality... Here are some facts for you... War on Gaza 1300 people killed
5400 people injured
159 children killed
22,000 buildings damaged or destroyed
$1,9 billion of economic destruction
How many families were affected?
How many years of recuperation?
How did this contribute to resolving the Israel/Palestine conflict? http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-19/world/gaza.war_1_hama s-militants-john-ging-rockets-into-southern-israel?_s=PM:WORLD War on Iraq and Afghanistan Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated - On October 22, 2010, ABC News reported "a secret U.S. government tally that puts the Iraqi (civilian) death toll over 100,000," information that was included in more than 400,000 military documents released by Wikileaks.com. 4683 brave American soldiers killed QUALITY OF LIFE INDICATORS Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 - 2,255,000 Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan - 2.1 million to 2.25 million Iraqi Unemployment Rate - 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 - 50% Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition - 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007) Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 - 40% Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion - 34,000 Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2005 Invasion - 12,000 Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion - 2,000 Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007) Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007 Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007 Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 16 to 24 Number of Iraqi Homes Connected to Sewer Systems - 37% Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70% Water Treatment Plants Rehabilitated - 22% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)
Gulf War
382 brave American soldiers killed About 3664 civilians killed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War Vietnam War 47,413 U.S. Military battle-related deaths, and
10,785 service members died from other causes. September 11th 2792 innocent people lost their lives
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/terrorism/a/iraqdeath1000.htm
Kat,
Thank you for clarifying to Jwhop that my statements were not anit-semitic, I truly appreciate this.
I realise that a no fly zone in Lybia was an
decision from the UN, and whilst it is difficult not to be suspicious of the reasoning, Lybia does need help in dethroning Gadaffi.
Pire,
Thank you for this information, that helps alot in understanding what the heck is going on.
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littlecloud
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posted March 21, 2011 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Juniperb, Israel is a dictator"...QuinnieFrom which alternate universe did this comment originate? Israel has an ELECTED government in which Arab citizens vote. Anti-Semitism is alive and well in some quarters. 
They aren't Semites. Semites are descendants from Sam. The Palestinians are Semites, why don't they cry Antisemitism? The Israelis are Khazars. European Jews that need consultation on having kids when they get married because their offspring are born with many illness and very often. Mixing with a true Semite would actually save the Khazars. There's a book on this somewhere... IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted March 21, 2011 07:00 PM
So anyway back to Libya...I'm in agreement with Quinnie a bit. Like the fact that the UN wants to get involved. Why didn't they get involved in Egypt? People died there, they were shot at, tear gassed, and abused. The van running people over? The cavalry riding into the crowd? I would call that violent. Yet the UN didn't see fit to get involved. They see fit to get involved in Libya though...oh yea that's right the UN gets about 70% if not more of their oil from Libya. (err that might be EU not UN. Too sick to check right now) IP: Logged |
iQ
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From: Chennai, India
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 22, 2011 05:23 AM
Excellent points Quinnie, and thanks for mentioning the Khazar link to Israel, LitgtleCloud. The Khazars are not "The Children of Israel", they have hijacked the Jewish cause for their own benefit and are the puppet masters of mouthpieces who are programmed to scream "Anti Semitism" whenevr any sensible soul shows a mistake by the state of Israel. It is a shame that people who pretend to be smart have so much hatred towards innocents.Anyway, back to topic. The NWO Agenda had slipped and so they are over-reacting.
Gaddafi should have been discouraged ages ago, it is a shame the sanctions took so long and now these attacks better be precise else he will play a victim card to abuse more civilians. Earth Changes and Galactic Anomalies are also having a role in the hasty behavior of NWO Agents[ Governments of America + EU ]. Russia and China are smart.
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abcd efg
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posted March 22, 2011 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by iQ:Earth Changes and Galactic Anomalies are also having a role .......
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 We all can look forward to a lot of changes on these lines (against oppression and corruption) all over the world now. Why in our country itself a no. of corrupt people are being exposed one after the other. And so fast too. It never happened this way the last few decades. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 22, 2011 10:56 AM
our hero gw bush LIFTED the sanctions on libya and opened the gates of trade their so the oil companies and other profiteers could widen their market. some say this was our side of the bargain of forking over a libyan for the lockerbie "hanging", later to be restored to his home due to terminal illness/compassion...which LOOKS like obama's work but was apparently expected by libya...it is amazing how people fail to notice the time lag in world events. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted March 22, 2011 04:50 PM
A little off the path but in context. I read an article today and this excerpt caught my eye and I wondered how many liberals here feel similar? quote:
American liberals who gravitated to Obama because he was the most plausible anti-war candidate broke sharply with him this weekend for projecting U.S. force into a corner of the world where it's traditionally unwelcome, humanitarian intervention doctrine be damned. Even some congressional Democrats who voted for the Iraq invasion call the Libyan venture "gratuitous" and question Obama's standing. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, on Monday called the U.S. involvement in Libya an "impeachable offense."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/obama-taking-heat-from-all-sides-for-libya-ac tion ------------------
~The Earth Laughs In Flowers~
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Quinnie
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posted March 22, 2011 06:34 PM
Juniperb I think many liberals may have cut loyalties with Obama at this stage... Kat... "it is amazing how people fail to notice the time lag in world events."... And with the last world war just under 70 years ago, it's really not that big a time lag either! Perhaps there is the thought that if we create enough wars, the world will become easily distracted by the details and facts of each one that they will miss or not even care about the bigger picture? IQ, thanks for your posts! What do you think about the idea that removing oil from the earth is causing earthquakes?
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PlutoSquared
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posted March 22, 2011 08:33 PM
Please, whatever happens, don't turn this thread into a debate over strange theories about earthquakes...At the very minimum, considering the topic, stay on politics? I really can't stomach hippie theories, to be honest. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted March 22, 2011 09:29 PM
I am an old hippy 
I heard tonight on CBS News, 68% of Americans surveyed approve of the mission. 26% disaprove
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20046013-503544.html
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PlutoSquared
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posted March 22, 2011 09:39 PM
No, Juniperb... you're not an old hippie unless you smell like incense and patchouli oil...IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 1283
From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted March 22, 2011 09:49 PM
Nag Champa. Sooths my soul in these troubling times. quote:
Juniperb I think many liberals may have cut loyalties with Obama at this stage...
I suspect you are right Quinnie, but how many would `fess up to it? ------------------
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PlutoSquared
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posted March 22, 2011 09:59 PM
Chemical warfare mixed with body odor.IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 1283
From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted March 22, 2011 10:11 PM
You may be on to something there...
Ashram`s beware! A fight may break out during a stinky meditation! ------------------
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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted March 23, 2011 11:53 AM
It's odd...indeed...that those who claim to be "humanitarians", claim to be "compassionate" and claim to be "anti-war" are quite willing to "overlook" the war the murderous Saddam Hussein made on his own people; overlook the war the murderous Taliban made on Afghan citizens, overlook the war the murderous terrorist Moammar Gadhafi is making against his own citizens and overlook the war the terrorists Hezbollah and Hamas are making against Israel.It somehow escapes their attention that every unguided rocket fired into Israel to kill Israeli civilians IS a separate and distinct War Crime. It somehow escapes their attention that every bomb set off in a restaurant, on a bus or anywhere else in civilian centers by Hamas, Hezbollah or any other so called "Palestinian" terrorist group...IS a War Crime committed by terrorists. But, when the Israeli military counter-fires against the rocket attacks...that's a crime. When the Israeli government attempts to keep arms from Iran from reaching the "Palestinian" terrorists by blockading and boarding ships to search for weapons bound for "Palestinian" controlled areas, that's a crime. Reasonable people would have to conclude that claims of being humanitarian, claims of being anti-war and/or claims of being compassionate are a fake and fraud since all that humanitarianism, anti-war sentiment and compassion only flows in one direction and doesn't extend to all.
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Quinnie
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posted March 23, 2011 12:54 PM
Jwhop......Show me where I or anyone else here have EVER claimed that it was ok for ANYONE to bomb and kill anyone??? IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Moderator Posts: 3588
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posted March 23, 2011 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
It's odd...indeed...that those who claim to be "humanitarians", claim to be "compassionate" and claim to be "anti-war" are quite willing to "overlook" the war the murderous Saddam Hussein made on his own people; overlook the war the murderous Taliban made on Afghan citizens, overlook the war the murderous terrorist Moammar Gadhafi is making against his own citizens and overlook the war the terrorists Hezbollah and Hamas are making against Israel.It somehow escapes their attention that every unguided rocket fired into Israel to kill Israeli civilians IS a separate and distinct War Crime. It somehow escapes their attention that every bomb set off in a restaurant, on a bus or anywhere else in civilian centers by Hamas, Hezbollah or any other so called "Palestinian" terrorist group...IS a War Crime committed by terrorists. But, when the Israeli military counter-fires against the rocket attacks...that's a crime. When the Israeli government attempts to keep arms from Iran from reaching the "Palestinian" terrorists by blockading and boarding ships to search for weapons bound for "Palestinian" controlled areas, that's a crime. Reasonable people would have to conclude that claims of being humanitarian, claims of being anti-war and/or claims of being compassionate are a fake and fraud since all that humanitarianism, anti-war sentiment and compassion only flows in one direction and doesn't extend to all.
I agree with this, completely. I also am extremely suspicious of people who claim to be humanitarians and compassionate, and brush under the rug crimes like that... IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted March 23, 2011 05:04 PM
Hezbollah is Lebanese not Palestinian. They support Palestine. They are vigilantes not terrorists. The real terrorists are the ones that you see on your TV. Israel was illegally formed as a result of WWII pushing into land that was never theirs, into homes of other people. If this hadn't happened I highly doubt Hamas and Hezbollah would exist. No one is overlooking what Saddam Hussein did. America had no business going into Iraq. The only reason they went there is to form a base in the middle east. The Middle-Easterners do not like this and they want America out of their land. It should have been left to the Iraqi people to deal with, not to the American gov't . Libyans took it into their own hands to take on Gadhafi and he responded by killing them. Now after so many years America sees fit to get involved. Why didn't they see fit to get involved years back? Same thing with Iraq. They had to fake a Islamic attack to go into Iraq AFTER they claimed that the 'terrorists' where in Afghanistan. Benazir Bhutto was murdered after her claim that Bin Laden was dead. Yet America still finds it needs to stay in Iraq. It's just another Vietnam. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 23, 2011 05:16 PM
Very well said Littlecloud! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 24, 2011 01:29 PM
What's wrong with hippies?  IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted March 24, 2011 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
What's wrong with hippies?
I dunno. I guess they're o.k. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted March 24, 2011 04:55 PM
Never been a hippie myself. Never liked tye-dyed stuff either.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted March 24, 2011 05:07 PM
You`re too young AG.... Tie-dye nor paisley prints are my choices of attire . Personally, I much prefer flower children to hippies How can one say "flower children" and feel negative vibs ------------------
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ghanima81
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posted March 25, 2011 11:28 AM
Flower child born too late over here. IP: Logged |
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