Author
|
Topic: Dr. Steven Pieczenik: 9-11 an inside job.
|
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 07:00 AM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html Excerpt: "Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." " “He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex. “Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen. " Very interesting revelation from such a well connected man from the US Establishment.
IP: Logged |
Chahldean Moderator Posts: 139 From: Everywhere I've Been Registered: Jun 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 07:11 AM
Halo IQ~We color with the same crayons. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/smile.gif) http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.php You can lead a horse to water.....
![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/blueheart.gif)
------------------ Gnosis ThySelf but alas... Knowledge must bow to Spirit IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 08:06 AM
Greetings Chaldean!Ha Ha! Excellent link and just loved that photo joke. Hillary looks as if she is watching an uncensored video of Bill and Monica. Obama's "Duh... What am I doing here?" expression is priceless. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 10:23 AM
There's a lot wrong with this particular conspiracy theory.What motivates conspiracy theorists anyway? I'll have to go look that up. But for now, it's enough to point out that Bush didn't need any further event to go after bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. bin Laden was behind the attacks on 2 US embassies in Africa, was behind the attack on the USS Cole and was declared an un-indicted co-conspirator in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Un-indicted because he wasn't within the jurisdiction of the United States Federal Courts. As for Saddam, a state of war still existed between Saddam and member nations which undertook the liberation of Kuwait. Saddam violated each and every provision of the "Cease Fire" he signed and he did that over a 12 year period. So, that leaves the 9/11 conspiracy theorists blowing smoke up each others a$ses...which seems to be Alex Jones stock in trade. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/wink.gif) IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 10:51 AM
Conspiracy Theories Explained Random events are deeply meaningful to paranoid schizophrenics. Is something happening in their brains? By Kathleen McGowan November 01, 2004Paranoid schizophrenics are prone to delusions, tales in which random events become deeply meaningful. Some believe in complex conspiracies; others think they are Jesus Christ. These stories sound crazy, but they may be the brain's efforts to make sense of its own internal messages, suggests Shitij Kapur, professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto and vice president of research at the Canadian Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. In addition to other brain abnormalities, schizophrenics have too much dopamine. Just as addicts' desensitized dopamine systems make them feel that nothing matters, high levels of the neurotransmitter make schizophrenics believe that everything is significant. Because the addict's dopamine-driven salience system keeps telling her that something very important is happening, ordinary events appear intensely meaningful. That police car? That song on the radio? That man with a cigarette walking by? They must be part of a massive international conspiracy. Kapur calls it "biased inductive logic"—a top-down effort to explain the feeling that everything seems important. The cognitive parts of a schizophrenic's brain create the paranoid tale in an effort to explain the constant red alert blaring from the dopamine circuits, using any stimuli available. This is why delusions are culturally appropriate. African schizophrenics may fear they've fallen under the spell of a shaman, while Kapur's patients in Toronto think that the Mounties are after them. Kapur cautions that this theory is still speculative, but it could support a radical idea: treating schizophrenia with cognitive therapy. If drugs control the overactive dopamine system, patients may then gradually unlearn their delusions. http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200501/conspiracy-theories-explained IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6484 From: Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 12:09 PM
one question provoked by your first post, jwhop...is if that was true of saddam, why didn't bush just say so? because whether correct or not the general impression given was that invading iraq had something to do with 9/11, which your explanation does NOT back up.i think conspiracy theorists - while they may be truly paranoid - play on the vague paranoias of us all. for many there is a good deal of money in it. and i include the "birther" conspiracy theory, the "muslim" conspiracy theory, and the "trying to bring the govt down" conspiracy theory in the general description. but...what motive does this govt insider have, do you think? he's risking his bread and butter unless there is more money in his story than his job..? IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 01:08 PM
15 Saudis were involved as hijackers in the 9-11 Op. Logically, Bush should have invaded Saudi Arabia. I guess Bush got paranoid schizophrenia/MPED from too much dopamine or whatever and thought Saddam sent the Saudis. In another Alter, he may have thought Afghan Taliban sent the Saudis and then Bin Laden sent the Saudis from Afghan or Pak or even London. His party got booted out before he could convince others that Ahmadinejad sent the Saudis but his brother "O Bomber" might find a link to Gaddahi and Assad for the 9-11 Saudi Arabian heavy Op, somewhere in his paranoid, fragmented Mind, somewhere between Kenya, Indoensia and Hawaii.In all this paranoia at the top of the US Command, I must praise the Israeli leadership who have kept quiet for months instead of applying their staple "Bomb Iran" mantra. China must be weeping at the 1 trillion deposits given in charge of paranoid schizophrenics, and whose alternative is Palin or Hillary. Your poor Chinese, all those cheap export profits down the drain... Anyone still long on Dow? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 03:32 PM
katatonic, Bush never linked the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam with al-Qaeda.One of the reasons given was that Saddam was funding terrorists. Saddam offered to give and did give $25,000 to families of suicide bombers against Israel. That was a definite no-no under the terms of Saddam's Cease Fire agreement. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 05, 2011 03:47 PM
Well, I dunno, just guessing here...no not really! ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) The economy of China would be destroyed in 6 months if America stopped buying their wretched junk. Even limping along under the economic dunce O'Bomber, the US economy is larger than the next 3 nations combined....and, it's nearly 3 times the size of Communist China's. All the blither, blather, bloviation and bullshiiit in the world isn't going to change that reality. Now, please explain why Bush would want to punish Saudi Arabia for the actions of al-Qaeda? After all, his family disowned bin Laden. Further, why would Bush want to withdraw support and have Saudi Arabia taken over by militant Islamic radicals and terrorists? Get back to me on that..eh! Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious mental illness which should be treated forthwith. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/wink.gif) IP: Logged |
mochai Knowflake Posts: 847 From: Charon Registered: Sep 2010
|
posted May 06, 2011 10:17 PM
IQ is so cool.. *sigh*IP: Logged |
bethcarliseh Knowflake Posts: 189 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Mar 2011
|
posted May 07, 2011 04:51 AM
I think that Michael Jackson did it.IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 07, 2011 05:41 AM
<< Now, please explain why Bush would want to punish Saudi Arabia for the actions of al-Qaeda? >> Simplest reason is that all the jihadi related terrorism in the planet is exported from the pulpits of Saudi Arabia. The Salafism/Wahabbism that is preached in the radical areas of Pakistan, India, Indonesia, London and even USA... all of it is traceable to the monarchy of Saudi Arabia who have more wealth at stake than the old economy American billionaires. If Saudi Arabia were a democracy, the effects of jihadi terrorism would never reach the western shores. Let me remind once again: 15/19 hijackers were Saudi Arabs. Not Palestinians, not Libyans, not Iranians, not Iraqis and not Syrians. They were Saudi Arabs.
IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 07, 2011 10:26 AM
Let me remind you that the Saudi Royal Family was not involved in the 9/11 attacks on the US. Let me further remind you that Islamic terrorists want to overthrow the Saudi Royal family.That puts you in the position of wanting to punish the government of a nation for what some are preaching within their borders. Using your logic, the US should attack and overthrow the British government. Islamic radicals are marching in the streets of Britain threatening to overthrow/kill the US and impose Sharia law on US citizens. On the other hand, the Taliban government permitted Afghanistan to be used as a training ground and safe haven for al-Qaeda and bin Laden. The Taliban refused to turn over bin Laden and his terrorist buds to the US...after it was established they were behind the 9/11 attacks. They got creamed and overthrown. Saddam was the head of government. Head of government who was funding terrorists, training terrorists, firing missiles at US and British aircraft in the "no fly" zone, refusing to honor his commitments under the UN "Cease Fire" agreement and ignoring 16 further UN Security Council Resolutions demanding he live up to his agreement....for 12 years after the 1st Gulf War. Saddam got overthrown, his sons were killed fighting against Coalition forces and he was hanged by Iraqis after being found guilty by a court of Iraqi citizens under Iraqi laws. When you can establish a direct link between the King of Saudi Arabia...head of government...and attacks against the US; as was established between the Taliban...heads of government and bin Laden...head of al-Qaeda and attacks against the US, we'll talk. Further, when you can establish that the Saudi King...head of government, is funding or directing hostile actions against the US or US allies as Saddam was funding, training and harboring terrorists and directing missiles to be fired against US and British military aircraft on a UN mission, we'll talk. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/wink.gif) IP: Logged |
mochai Knowflake Posts: 847 From: Charon Registered: Sep 2010
|
posted May 07, 2011 11:27 AM
Why do we start wars over $25,000 without UN approval at an expense I don't even want to think about it? I want to know, I have a messed up ex over it who is likely off psychologically torturing another woman.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 07, 2011 12:06 PM
"Why do we start wars over $25,000 without UN approval at an expense I don't even want to think about it?"Huh, What?? If a vote were taken in the United States about the UN's continued presence in the United States, they'd be given their walking papers in short order. Let's vote! IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6484 From: Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 07, 2011 12:20 PM
actually i believe the afghan govt agreed to turn bin laden over IF WE COULD PROVE HE WAS GUILTY AS CHARGED...which we obviously could not.this can of worms is far from covered over. IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 10, 2011 07:16 AM
Permitting radicals to preach Wahhabite Islam indicts the Saudi Royal Family. Only Wahabbism is acceptable as official religion in Saudi Borders. Democratic Saudis will usher in peace, and will take back the trillions looted by the Saudi Royals and ARAMCO. They will not support radicals who plot hijackings, that is convenient disinformation. Had Saudi Arabia been a democracy, 9-11 would not have occurred. Invasion of Afghanistan to oust Taliban is 100% justified, only the "collateral damage" is not justified. Invasion of Iraq before wrapping up Al-Qaeda? That is a huge blunder, the consequences will be manifest in a couple of years. Saddam did deserve to go because he murdered his own people using nerve gas. Not too many Iraqis shed tears for him. He could have been removed the way Hosni Mubarak was removed too, by a carefully planned people's rebellion. Plus, there was an Iraqi trial. However Saddam did not order nor arrange for the death of a single American national within US Soil, nor did he assassinate any US Citizen outside America after the end of hostilities. Karmically speaking he is 3000 times more innocent than Al-Qaeda, as far as America is concerned. He was a friend. Donald Rumsfeld gleefully shook his hands in the "good old times", when his abusive actions were wantonly overlooked. Remember that more than a million children died in Iraq because of the UN sanctions and American led impositions. All those responsible will have to pay up eventually. IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 13, 2011 05:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU&feature=share Interesting video about mysterious deaths of 9-11 truth witnesses. Like Barry Jennings and Kenneth Johannemen who heard explosions. 9-11 widow Beverly Eckert was part of a Lawsuit against the Sauid Giovernment and even met with Obama a week before her death. Died in a mysterious commuter plane crash. Micheal Doran was a lawyer helping the victims. Single engine plane crash. CIA? Chris Landis made the video "Pentacon". Too much silence on his death. Marvin Bush's employee Bertha Champagne was another strange death. Marvin's copmpany was providing "security" for the 9-11 Building. Bertha was found crushed to death by her own vehicle. in front of the Bush Family home. Paul Smith and John Giorno took footage from a chopper on 9-11. Paul was killed in a mysterious accident by an unidentified black car that caused a cab to hit him. Girono now refuses to talk to any reporter. Deborah Palfrey had information. She supplied call-girls to political big wigs. Suicided. Major Wherley scrambled fighter jets on Washington during 9-11. Killed in a freak train crash, the worst such incident in the 33 year history of that rail. Fire fighter Salvatore Princiatta who was on the scene was also found murdered. David Graham was found poisoned to death. He saw three hijackers with a Pakistani Businessman before 9-11. Dr Steve, take care man. You need to stay alive to help expose the real perpetrators of 9-11. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 13, 2011 11:36 AM
Bilge water!The 15 Saudis who participated in the 9/11 attacks were not from the poor underclass in Saudi Arabia. Neither was bin Laden. His family is one of the richest in Saudi Arabia. Now IQ if you want the Saudi Royals to outlaw Wahabbism...... I have a suggestion. Let's have the government of India outlaw Hinduism and declare Protestant Christianity the official religion of India. It would be interesting to see how long that government survived...interesting as well to see how long the leaders of India survived! Hey, stop already with the Rumsfeld handshake. Iran had recently invaded the US Embassy in Tehran and held US diplomats hostage for more than 400 days. Saddam and the Ayatollah Khomeini were bitter enemies of long standing. The enemy of my enemy...is my friend. Stop also with the nonsense that the US caused the deaths of 1,000,000 Iraqi children. It's utter bullshiiit and I believe you know it's utter bullshiiit. Saddam was in total power and in total control of events within Iraq. That number...and the accusation came straight from an opponent of the Iraq War. It was bullshiiit then and it's bullshiiit now. Apparently you don't know that Saddam laid on a plan to assassinate George H. W. Bush when he was in Kuwait..after the 1st Gulf War. So, while he didn't get it done, he sure as hell tried. Still flogging the absurd conspiracy theory that 9/11 was an inside job..an American job, eh IQ. Sorry, that doesn't wash: Scientifically Politically or Internationally It's a dead bang loser in every possible way...except for those who make money off the terminally naive...and of course, off all the America and American haters. We do expect people to turn their brains on for a little exercise...at least occasionally.
IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2818 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 14, 2011 06:52 AM
" Stop also with the nonsense that the US caused the deaths of 1,000,000 Iraqi children. "US alone is not responsible. Saddam, US, UN and Kuwait share the blame. Wahabbism is fine within the Saudi borders, it is the export of it [especially preachers] that has led to inspiration for terrorism, as we see on a daily basis in Pakistan. Prior to Wahabbism export, there was not a single suicide bombing within Pakistan or anywhere in South Asia for that matter. Tracking staunch Wahbbis is a must in any genuine effort against terror. There is too much evidence for 9-11 being an inside job, and Dr Steve surely knows what he is talking about. He too is very much an American citizen and more well connected to the corridors of power than you or I can ever be. The strange deaths of so many witnesses cannot be coincidental. And their testimonies about explosions etc are glaring. 9-11 will never be a dead horse, it will come back to bite the perpetrators [read Bush, Cheney and their spooky supporters] in due course. The wheels of justice grind slowly but ultimately they get the job done. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3551 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted May 14, 2011 08:08 AM
You know IQ, I think it's time for you to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth."9-11 will never be a dead horse, it will come back to bite the perpetrators [read Bush, Cheney and their spooky supporters] in due course. The wheels of justice grind slowly but ultimately they get the job done."...IQ "15 Saudis were involved as hijackers in the 9-11 Op."...IQ "However Saddam did not order nor arrange for the death of a single American national within US Soil, nor did he assassinate any US Citizen outside America after the end of hostilities. Karmically speaking he is 3000 times more innocent than Al-Qaeda, as far as America is concerned."...IQ bin Laden couldn't have 3000 times the negative Karma as Saddam...visa vie the US...for attacking the WTC and killing Americans...IF George W Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld hatched the 9/11 attacks as an inside job. Gee, all those deaths associated with "Those Who Knew the Truth about 9/11" could be Karma in action. Trying to make a buck off a national tragedy and making false accusations to further your cause and enhance your bank account is powerful stuff. As for Alex Jones, I suppose there will always be "followers", the naive and brain dead who will believe anything. But, Alex Jones is just a loud mouthed phony who doesn't believe his own bullshiiit. If he believed 10% of his own blither, blather, bloviation and bullshiiit, he'd be propelled to action..."Action"...other than running his mouth and collecting lots of money for books, tapes, personal appearances and seminars. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) IP: Logged | |