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katatonic
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posted June 08, 2011 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ever seen the U of Md study which shows that the more you listen to Fox the more MISinformed you tend to be?

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AcousticGod
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posted June 08, 2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Extended exposure to Fox News makes voters stupid, university study finds

Funny ...and apparently true.

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posted June 08, 2011 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DangerGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I LOVE Jon Stewart! His show is AWESOME!

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jwhop
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posted June 09, 2011 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who think they're getting "news" from Jon Stewart:

You would be better informed by watching Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons. In fact, Daffy Duck is better qualified to be President than the empty suit O'Bomber. More logical, more rational and better grounded in reality. That should tell you all you need to know about your little Marxist Socialist Progressive icon.

Of course, you could also tune into MSNBC and get your "news" from shrieking, raving lunatics like Rachael Maddow, Chris Matthews, Ed Shultz, Keith Olbermann and other small brained primates. Oh wait, Olbermann got canned and is currently working for the hot air gas emitter...Algore.

Don't even try to go there. We established long ago that conservatives are better informed than so called liberals, happier than so called liberals and politically educated beyond so called liberals by about a year and a half.

Now, let's get to your real problem with Fox News. FNC is kicking the a$ses of your leftist Socialist icons on the other so called news networks.

Most trusted news network IS Fox News.

Most trusted news program host IS Bill O'Reilly on Fox News.

Roger Ailes put it all together so...of course, to leftist Socialist Progressives, Ailes is Satan personified.

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posted June 09, 2011 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey found that Fox News viewers were the most confused about current events, while viewers of "The Daily Show" were among the best informed news consumers in the country. Comedy Central, relying on data from Nielsen Media Research, also found that Stewart's audience not only knew more about current events, but were far better educated than Bill O'Reilly's audience.

Three years later, the Pew Research Study published a report showing that "viewers of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report have the highest knowledge of national and international affairs, while Fox News viewers rank nearly dead last."


Daily Show viewers better informed; Fox News viewers less so]

Daily show viewers ace political quiz


Study: Jon Stewart viewers more politically informed than... well, most everybody.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/28/comedy.politics/index.html

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posted June 09, 2011 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's pretty bold and pretty brash for Jwhop to even attempt making such statements.

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Node
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posted June 09, 2011 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nah, just a loyal tool.

If i were to be entertained and informed I would watch colbert & stewart though.

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..."The camera doesn’t like you," he said. Nixon wasn’t pleased. "It’s a shame a man has to use gimmicks like television to get elected," he grumbled. "Television is not a gimmick," Ailes said. “And if you think it is, you’ll lose again.--1968

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posted June 09, 2011 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't watch maddow either but i have heard her voice in snippets and her delivery is the farthest thing from "shrieking" i have heard in a long time.

however, she is NOT a news show any more than jon stewart is. no one is trying to sell the daily show as NEWS, jwhop. just pointing out that it deals in current events, just like o'reilly, limbaugh etc, WHO ARE NOT NEWSMEN EITHER but talkshow hosts. opinion makers perhaps, newsmen, not.

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posted June 09, 2011 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Annenberg Foundation? You quote the Annenberg Foundation?

This group of brain dead leftists is the same group which funded O'Bomber's attempt to train Chicago school students in Marxist street outrage...instead of educational subject matter.

Oh, and the domestic Communist terrorist bomber, Bill Ayers was O'Bomber's boss in the so called Annenberg Challenge.

You all remember...don't you?...that O'Bomber attempted to pass Bill Ayers off as..."just a guy from the neighborhood.

In the end, Annenberg had to write off the $50,000,000 they plunked into O'Bomber/Ayers.

We all know the Stewart audience is leftist liberal.

Most of us remember the clinical psychiatrist Rossiter and his conclusions about leftist liberals.

His professional analysis of leftist liberals is right on the mark for those who watch Jon Stewart and think they're getting "news".

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
Publishes extensive study on 'Psychological Causes of Political Madness'
Posted: November 12, 2008
6:33 pm Eastern

WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

"Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded," says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to "the vast right-wing conspiracy."

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

"A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do," he says. "A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do."

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;

satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;

augmenting primitive feelings of envy;

rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

"The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/003902.html

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AcousticGod
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posted June 09, 2011 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great blast from the past, but that doesn't disprove the education nor knowledgability of Jon Stewart's audience. Still failed there.

And here's an apt rebuttal to the psychiatrist's work: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/250462

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posted June 09, 2011 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is nothing to prove the Jon Stewart audience is better educated, more politically astute or more politically knowledgeable.

Logic and reason argue against those propositions since the Jon Stewart audience thinks they're getting real news.

But, that's leftist liberals for you!

Repeat after me...:

If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.

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posted June 09, 2011 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re: rebuttal of political hack Dr. Lyle Rossiter
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"The Psychological Causes of Political Madness"... Most of its claims are not so subtle reversals of the conclusions reached by four distinguished scholars that were funded by the US Government in a study to discover the roots of conservatism.

great link written in the UK on that page AG

A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".
As if that was not enough to get Republican blood boiling, the report's four authors linked Hitler, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan and the rightwing talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, arguing they all suffered from the same affliction.



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posted June 09, 2011 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with the report by the National Institute of Health is that...it's the National Institute of Health. The NIH is a motley collection of those whose skills are so poor they can't make it in the real world and without government hand-outs.

On the other hand, Rossiter is a clinical psychiatrist with 20 years in private practice...in the real world.

Rossiter captures the leftist liberal mindset perfectly as anyone who has observed their...stuck in a pre-pubescent narcissistic mindset attests.

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posted June 09, 2011 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The proof has been posted for you several times now, most recently by Node.

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Logic and reason argue against those propositions since the Jon Stewart audience thinks they're getting real news.

It's not a matter of logic or reason, nor of getting "real news" from their program. Nothing has ever suggested that these people get their "news" from these shows alone. The testing simply confirms that Stewart's audience is more knowledgeable.

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posted June 09, 2011 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
which is all part of the Distort, attack, rinse, and repeat used by our fellow KF as well as Foxy

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Node
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posted June 10, 2011 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

    Fact

  • The man Ailes put in charge of calling states on election night was John Prescott Ellis -


  • John Prescott Ellis (born February 3, 1953)

    He is a nephew of former President of the United States George H.W. Bush and a first cousin of former President George W. Bush and the former Governor of Florida John Ellis "Jeb" Bush.

  • He worked on his uncle George H. W. Bush's presidential campaign in 1979

    Election Night 2000

  • During the night of the 2000 U.S. presidential election Ellis was working as a consultant for Fox News, where he analyzed data from the Voter News Service.
  • he was responsible for Fox News' decisions in calling states for Gore or Bush, based on statistical results from the VNS data. Fox News had called Florida for Gore early in the evening, and was the last major network to retract their call for Gore.

  • However, they were the first (at 2:16 am ET) to call Florida for Bush. Ellis also admitted sharing exit poll data with his cousins by phone.

  • CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS followed the Ellis lead within four minutes, only to be forced into embarrassing retractions less than two hours later.


Though Gore had won the popular vote, the nation was told for 2 hours! that Bush had won.

a close relative had told us so.

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posted June 10, 2011 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yeah, testing from an "entertainment source", ShowBiz TV, PROVES the Jon Stewart audience superior in education and political knowledge; how "entertaining"!

Perhaps it's the testers who are stoned slackers!

Thanks for making my argument Node!

"Fox News had called Florida for Gore early in the evening, and was the last major network to retract their call for Gore."

"However, they were the first (at 2:16 am ET) to call Florida for Bush."

End of the argument. Henry Waxman is a leftist twit liar. Fox finally calling the election for Bush had NO IMPACT on the outcome of the 2000 election whatsoever.

Polls everywhere in America were closed...meaning, all voting had ended across America...when Fox called the election for Bush at 2:16am...the next day.

Algore lost Florida and lost the presidential election. Numerous recounts prove Bush beat Algore in Florida.

A consortium of newspapers...including the NY Times sent a team to Florida to take another recount of the Florida election results.

Much to their chagrin, they...the NY Times and other newspapers were forced to publish the fact that Bush beat Algore in Florida...and with a higher margin of victory than the official vote tally used to certify the Florida election for BUSH!

Hahahaha...talk about trying to beat a dead horse!! 11 years later, leftists are still moaning, wheezing, whining, screeching and shrieking about the 2000 election. Rossiter is right! Leftists are firmly in the grip of a psychosis.

There's always that 10% of the population who never get the word. Leftists, take note.

Bush won Florida and the presidential election!

Algore lost Florida and lost the presidential election!

Fox News IS the most trusted news network in America!

Bill O'Reilly IS the most trusted news host in America!

For all we know, both members of the Jon Stewart audience voted Fox News...Most Trusted!

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posted June 10, 2011 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made no argument[s] in your favor.

Everyone reading knows that.

I respect the discernment of LLanders,
you however must believe they are idiots.

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posted June 10, 2011 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed. We do discern the right from wrong, the correct from the incorrect.

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Yeah, testing from an "entertainment source", ShowBiz TV, PROVES the Jon Stewart audience superior in education and political knowledge; how "entertaining"!

Real dolt moment there.

    Three years later, the Pew Research Study published a report showing that "viewers of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report have the highest knowledge of national and international affairs, while Fox News viewers rank nearly dead last."

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posted June 20, 2011 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Send in the clowns. The leftist circus is over.

Hey, wasn't it you acoustic who doesn't like "polls". Yeah, I thought so and for you to call Pew to your supposed rescue is hysterically funny...considering the fact you couldn't dechiper the definition of "Most" as Pew used the word in one of their polls?

At least one other poll found political conservatives have at least a year and a half educational lead on what they called liberals.

Stewart is nothing if not a mouthpiece for liberalism and his audience is considerably Left.

Fox news has a mostly conservative audience.

So, there you go acoustic. The Pew report is full of hot air and bullshiiit. But then, the Pew organization is an edifice of the political left...which can't be trusted to find the truth..or state the truth if they manage to find it.

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posted June 20, 2011 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, what's up with leftist clowns attacking Roger Ailes?

Is there anything to be trusted about the Ailes accusers? Well, not that I can find.

But, considering that Fox News is kicking the as$es of leftists most favorite news sources, there's a lot for the left to hate about Roger Ailes.

Here Come the Ailes Haters
by L. Brent Bozell III
06/01/2011

One part of the liberal media's Obama re-election effort is well under way: trying to destroy the reputation of Fox News and its president, Roger Ailes. Two long, new magazine "exposes" have attempted to demonize Ailes and his allegedly brain-dead minions as the antithesis of good journalism.

The funnier one came from Rolling Stone magazine, which ran the title "How Roger Ailes Built the Fox News Fear Factory." How little does this rag understand good journalism? It took only a few lines before staff writer/fantasist Tim Dickinson fell on his face. After painting a picture of employees loyally cheering the boss at a holiday party, Dickinson entertained comparisons to ... Mao Zedong.

"It was as though we were looking at Mao," said disgruntled ex-employee Charlie Reina. "It's like the Soviet Union or China: People are always looking over their shoulders," added "a former executive" with News Corporation. Dickinson also said Ailes runs "the most formidable propaganda machine ever seen outside the communist bloc."

Put aside that Ailes isn't responsible for 70 million deaths and mass cannibalism, and that his politics are essentially the philosophical opposite of communism -- and OK, he's Mao.

More journalistic idiocy: Rolling Stone vaguely reported this Chairman Roger holiday party took place the year Fox overtook CNN in the cable ratings. That would be ... 2002. A nine-year-old useless anecdote isn't "news" -- unless you're Rolling Stone and need to discuss journalism.

Like every other leftist rag, Rolling Stone asserted Ailes wasn't running a news network, but a permanent campaign.

"The network, at its core, is a giant soundstage created to mimic the look and feel of a news operation, cleverly camouflaging political propaganda as independent journalism."

It's amusing to see a magazine express tender concern about the state of journalism while its cover story is "Monster Goddess: A Wild Week with Lady Gaga," with Gaga in a black lace bra on the cover.

So let's ask if Rolling Stone has the sense of fairness and balance that allows it to denounce Fox News as too political. This is the same magazine that ran two worshipful Obama covers recently, one without any words and the other with a worshipful, glowing aura around Barack (could we reverse the Mao analogies, anyone?).

In the summer of 2008, Rolling Stone founder Jann Wenner ended an interview with Obama -- whose campaign he financially supported -- by saying, "Good luck. We are following you daily with great hope and admiration."

Fox News being criticized by Rolling Stone is a little like being mocked as unserious journalists by Tiger Beat.

The other anti-Ailes story came from New York magazine. The cover read "Fox News made a circus out of the Republican Party. And boy, does Roger Ailes regret it now."

Reporter Gabriel Sherman blamed Fox for ruining the GOP primary field: "So it must have been disturbing to Ailes when the wheels started to come off Fox's presidential-circus caravan. ... All he had to do was watch Fox's May 5 debate in South Carolina to see what a mess the field was -- a mess partly created by the loudmouths he'd given airtime to and a tea party he'd nurtured."

So in two sentences, it's established as empirical truth that a) the GOP will not capture the White House in 2012 because b) its candidates are disasters because c) Fox created them because d) Ailes wants to control the world (or something like that). Two sentences.

The hot quote in the Sherman story was someone claiming Ailes thought Sarah Palin is an "idiot." Here we go with those anonymous sources again. Ailes is trashed by "a person close to Ailes," "another Republican close to Ailes," "a GOPer who knows Ailes well," "a person familiar with his thinking" and "a former Fox executive." These sources could all be the same individual, for all the reader knows. Or the author. Or nobody. (Ask Jayson Blair or Janet Cooke how this works.)

Ailes is not the "head of the Republican Party," as these writers claim. One can question Ailes for hiring a pile of potential presidential candidates as on-air analysts. But it's downright bizarre that liberal reporters would pretend that Fox is glaringly unique with Clinton press secretary George Stephanopoulos anchoring at ABC, Eliot Spitzer anchoring at CNN and Jay Carney moving effortlessly from Time magazine to the Obama-Biden press operation.

Since when has there not been a transparently partisan liberal media elite much larger and more numerous than Fox, "cleverly camouflaging political propaganda as independent journalism"? Did we just imagine all the "historic" promotional hot air and leg-thrill orations that inflated Obama's balloon in 2008?

The major named sources in Sherman's story were Obama spinners David Axelrod and Anita Dunn. She insisted Ailes is "great at making the mainstream press feel guilty about their liberal bias." OK, so they got one thing right.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43853

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posted June 20, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all know you lost that debate several times over (over several years), so your calling it hysterical is as overblown as your statements about Rasmussen. Pew IS a well respected polling entity with far more credibility than Rasmussen.

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At least one other poll found political conservatives have at least a year and a half educational lead on what they called liberals.

When? Where? An "educational" lead would suggest more schooling, not more awareness of the facts of our present reality, which is what these audiences were tested (not polled) on.

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Stewart is nothing if not a mouthpiece for liberalism and his audience is considerably Left.

So you too see him as some sort of activist. His audience is mostly liberal, sure. Why wouldn't it be?

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The Pew report is full of hot air and bullshiiit. But then, the Pew organization is an edifice of the political left...which can't be trusted to find the truth..or state the truth if they manage to find it.

You haven't proven this statement. It was in fact, you, who claimed Pew backed up your false statement on the Times those years ago. You turned out being proven wrong several times. You refused to acknowledge your rather embarrassing defeat on that one, and apparently still do.

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Bill O'Reilly is not known particularly for his accuracy--or fairness, but this quote is remarkable even for him:


6/23

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So why is this happening? Well, it all boils down to political philosophy. President Obama is a liberal guy who believes the feds should run the economic show, and he hired advisers who believe that as well. The administration then set out to fight the recession by spending government money, the so-called stimulus, and that ran up trillions of dollars of debt.

Historically, the way out of recessions is to give the private sector lower tax rates and reward businesses for hiring people. But the Obama administration has resisted that.

Liberal guy? A guy who said he "loves the market". His hiring picks were obviously made to reassure anyone worried about any drift to the left. I mean really O'Reilly...


The stimulus package-- a mix of spending and tax cuts-- cost around $780+ billion. The Congressional Budget Office estimates its 10 year cost to be slightly higher than that ($821 billion), which is still miles away from "trillions." The deficit/debt problems that O'Reilly is concerned with are due primarily to the Bush tax cuts, the recession and the Iraq/Afghan wars. The spending associated with economic recovery plays a small role.


history tells us that lower corporate tax rates and slashing spending is the way out of a recession.....yea right


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posted June 28, 2011 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Note to the credulous.

O'Bomber says lots of things...almost all of which is not true! His outright lies are legion.

That poll about which you incessantly whine acoustic did not focus on people getting their news on line.

That Pew Poll was all about press credibility.

Speaking of credibility, you've used all of yours up.

The tipping point came when the information surfaced that you couldn't define the very common word..."Most".

The notion of you winning debates...including the debate about press credibility is delusional, at best.


What I predicted would happen...did happen.

Newspaper subscriptions are way down.
Advertising revenues are way down.

Because Americans do not trust what the MSM print and broadcast as...news.

Rasmussen is the most accurate political polling organization in America. Pew is not.

In the real world, performance counts.

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lol...see the other thread regarding the Pew poll. And, yes, it did talk of the movement of people away from traditional newsprint.

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His outright lies are legion.

Is this typical of a Leo in your estimation?

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What I predicted would happen...did happen.

Newspaper subscriptions are way down.
Advertising revenues are way down.

Because Americans do not trust what the MSM print and broadcast as...news.


You confused the cause. Predicting something correctly, but assuming the wrong cause is poor thinking no matter which way you slice it. This isn't the only time this has happened. You were also confused by lower gas prices claiming that "drill baby drill" caused them to fall when every wall street and energy source was saying different. You don't put things together in your head properly. Never have.

With regard to Rasmussen or Pew, you're welcome to prove something. Otherwise, you're just talking, which we've all come to know is 98% nonsense (Leo thing, right?).

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