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Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2011 12:30 AM
: The Fox Propaganda Machine in Action:In the New RS issue... Roger Ailes The onetime Nixon operative has created the most profitable propaganda machine in history.... By Tim Dickinson May 25, 2011 8:00 AM ET ....Ailes runs the most profitable – and therefore least accountable – head of the News Corp. hydra. Fox News reaped an estimated profit of $816 million last year – nearly a fifth of Murdoch’s global haul. The cable channel’s earnings rivaled those of News Corp.’s entire film division, which includes 20th Century Fox, and helped offset a slump at Murdoch’s beloved newspapers unit, which took a $3 billion write-down after acquiring The Wall Street Journal. With its bare-bones newsgathering operation – Fox News has one-third the staff and 30 fewer bureaus than CNN – Ailes generates profit margins above 50 percent. Nearly half comes from advertising, and the rest is dues from cable companies. Fox News now reaches 100 million households, attracting more viewers than all other cable-news outlets combined, and Ailes aims for his network to “throw off a billion in profits.” Nixon '68: Cutting Out the Journalists: Fox News chief Roger Ailes has advised every Republican president since Richard Nixon, and – as Rolling Stone's Tim Dickinson details in this profile – he's engineered some of the dirtiest tricks in American political history. Click through for highlights of Ailes' shady – and highly successful – career as a campaign guru. As a consultant for Richard Nixon, Ailes bypassed journalists who might pose tough questions, creating fake "town hall" events that enabled the candidate to field softball queries from voters handpicked by the campaign. "The events were not staged," says historian Rick Perlstein. "They were fixed." Ailes – a veteran of Reagan’s media team in 1980 who was overseeing the creation of the legendary “Morning in America” campaign – knew that framing one good shot in a debate could make the difference come Election Day. “Roger had the presence to be a director,” says Ed Rollins, who managed the ’84 campaign. “And Reagan, who had always been around directors, would listen to Roger." Reagan '84: The Second Reagan-Mondale Debate -Ailes – known on the Reagan team as “Dr. Feelgood” – told the Gipper to ditch the facts and figures. "You didn’t get elected on details," he told the president. "You got elected on themes." He armed Reagan with a one-liner to beat back any question about his mental agility – and the president’s delivery was pitch-perfect. "I want you to understand that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign," Reagan winked. "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience." Bush '00: Fox Calls It The man Ailes put in charge of calling states on election night was John Prescott Ellis - George W. Bush's first cousin. His premature call for Bush spurred every other network to follow suit. "Of everything that happened on election night," said Rep. Henry Waxman, "this was the most important in impact." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIGQyF2Yjo&feature=player_embedded#at=61 IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2011 12:43 AM
...Fear, in fact, is precisely what Ailes is selling: His network has relentlessly hyped phantom menaces like the planned “terror mosque” near Ground Zero, inspiring Florida pastor Terry Jones to torch the Koran. Privately, Murdoch is as impressed by Ailes’ business savvy as he is dismissive of his extremist politics. "You know Roger is crazy," Murdoch recently told a colleague, shaking his head in disbelief. "He really believes that stuff.""But Ailes is also, by turns, a tyrant: "I only understand friendship or scorched earth," he has said. One former deputy pegs him as a cross between Don Rickles and Don Corleone. "What’s fun for Roger is the destruction," says Dan Cooper, a key member of the team that founded Fox News. "When the light bulb goes on and he’s got the trick to outmaneuver the enemy – that’s his passion." .... IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6677 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2011 01:25 PM
Murdoch recently told a colleague, shaking his head in disbelief. "He really believes that stuff...murdoch in a nutshell...he DOESN"T really believe it, but it sells, sells, sells!! IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 03, 2011 12:21 AM
do you have a history with the Murdoch Kat?I have often noticed that you respond to the miscreant with familiar terms. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 03, 2011 09:38 AM
"I want you to understand that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign," Reagan winked. "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience."One of the best debate lines ever delivered. It's no wonder Mondale groupies and leftists didn't like it. It's also no wonder to me that O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers and leftists in general don't like Roger Ailes. He's put together the news team which kicks leftist press as$es every day AND is the most trusted news source in America....Fox. On radio, Ailes has Limbaugh...the most listened to talk radio personality in America. What else could leftists do....except whine, screech and shriek in unison? IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 04, 2011 07:27 AM
Kat:One thing I had no idea about was the Ailes role in the Clinton era efforts at Health Care Reform. Big Tobacco shoveled the money, Ailes provided the guidance and the platform. He also managed Rush, and of his 3 year stint with CNBC ---Jack Welch – then the CEO of NBC’s parent company GE – put it at the time, “We’ll rue the day we let Roger and Rupert team up.” I wish I had researched the depth and breadth of the Ailes influence sooner. Now I understand the creation of the Tea Bagger movement much better, I knew who had supplied the money, some of the spokespeople with *cred*, [Dick Armey] now we know who framed it.
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 04, 2011 07:35 AM
RE:Most watched/listened: To get Fox News into 25 million homes, Murdoch paid cable companies as much as $20 a subscriber. “Murdoch’s offer shocked the industry,” writes biographer Neil Chenoweth. “He was prepared to shell out half a billion dollars just to buy a news voice.” Even before it took to the air, Fox News was guaranteed access to a mass audience, bought and paid for. Ailes hailed Murdoch’s “nerve,” adding, “This is capitalism and one of the things that made this country great.” and to allude that FOX employs journalists... you should understand that Ailes believes that all real journalists are 'leftist.' so he purged them. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6677 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 04, 2011 08:47 PM
yes, i have mentioned this before. the omnipresence of fox was BOUGHT before many people ever heard it...and the first rule of advertising, is familiarize people with your name/voice/info enough and they will start to TRUST YOU. hence the most trusted name in news is the one that is all around you. some "free market" success, heh? take enough money and sell the public what they should think. manchurian? this is one of the reasons celebrities make great candidates, we are FAMILIAR with them and therefore feel comfy with them. sarah palin is no dumbcluck when it comes to the madison avenue rag... nor are most other political figures. margaret thatcher underwent extensive "modulation" to be more palatable to the public. as jwhop says, obama's people put his face about. due to the recent predilection for propaganda it is hard to get a foot in if you don't play the same game. and the mainstream media have generally been the mouthpiece for the regime in power, so it's not just murdoch. however there was a time when people actually tended to believe what they were spreading. but murdoch - like ailes - is a past master at this. he funded a large part of his empire with tabloid rags, which use pin up girls to ramp up the numbers...which gave him the clout and money to buy some really decent, respected papers that then proceeded to go down the toilet. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 08:50 AM
quote: ...take enough money and sell the public what they should think. manchurian?
very, and one of my favorite movies. the original chills. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 11:00 AM
"Fox Calls It "The man Ailes put in charge of calling states on election night was John Prescott Ellis, George W. Bush's first cousin." "His premature call for Bush spurred every other network to follow suit. "Of everything that happened on election night," said Rep. Henry Waxman, "this was the most important in impact." This is a blatant LIE and about what one would expect from the little lying Socialist twit Henry Waxman. Fox News called the 2000 Florida election for Algore....early in the evening and did not change the Florida election call until after 2am the following morning...long, long, long AFTER voting ended all across America. I don't know how you leftists manage to always get it wrong. Perhaps it's a reflection on where you get your news...which isn't news at all but is rather, political spin, supposition, innuendo, propaganda, tripe and bullshiiit. In any event, Fox News is kicking the as$es of CNN, MSNBC and every other cable news network. The lowest rated news show on Fox has a higher audience rating than the highest rated news show on those leftists drool over. Further, O'Reilly is the most trusted newsman on any network and Fox News is the most trusted of all the networks. I know how much that bites but facts are facts. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5466 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 06:53 PM
It doesn't bite at all. I don't know how many times we have to tell you this, but FoxNews' success is of little consequence to anyone's lives. Most people wouldn't even call O'Reilly a "newsman". It would be a misnomer as he's not on a news show reporting the news. He's on a talk show giving commentary, and in doing so during prime time, he only beat John Stewart by half a million viewers. The force that is Jon Stewart: Daily Show's ratings now higher than most of FOX News Last updated at 9:44 AM on 6th June 2011 Jon Stewart is leaping ahead of one of his most popular targets: Fox News. The comic's TV program, The Daily Show, beat most of the entire Fox News network in terms of total viewers, according to the May Nielson ratings. Mr Stewart's show averaged 2.3million viewers, while most of the Fox News prime time and day time line up averaged only 1.85million viewers. Total viewership slid 10 per cent at Fox News, which lost viewers in the valuable 25-54 demographic in every prime time show. Bill O’Reilly's show was down 9 per cent, Sean Hannity was down 6 per cent, and Greta Van Susteren dropped 12 per cent. Glenn Beck's Fox show was cancelled entirely last April, largely due to sliding numbers. Only one of Fox's shows, The O’Reilly Factor, managed to hold off Jon Stewart's surge in the numbers. Mr O'Reilly recorded 2.8million total viewers, compared to The Daily Show's 2.3million. Versus May 2010, The Daily Show grew 19 per cent in total viewers, with double-digit ratings growth across all key demographics. This included people 18-49 (up +21 per cent), people 18-34 (+22 per cent), people 18-24 (+21 per cent), males 18-34 (+18 per cent) and males 18-24 (+21 per cent). The Daily Show’s 1.344million viewers ages 18-49 in May led all late night talk shows in that demo. With a 2011 year-to-date average of 1.25million viewers in that key age range, The Daily Show trails only The Tonight Show with Jay Leno (1.27million) for the calendar year. CNN and MSNBC both posted gains in viewers from May 2010 to May 2011 among ages 25-54. The latest numbers bear out that The Daily Show continues to perform very well among young people in particular, while Fox News has been steadily loosing ground with that age group. Mr Stewart frequently takes aim at the conservative-leaning network on his show, where he pokes fun at their reporting and slyly accuses them of being biased. Fox CEO Roger Ailes once said of Stewart: 'He openly admits he’s sort of an atheist and a socialist... He hates conservative views. 'He hates conservative thoughts. He hates conservative verbiage. He hates conservatives. He’s crazy'. Bill O’Reilly also famously dismissed Mr Stewart’s audience as a bunch of 'stoned slackers'. But Jon Stewart may be enjoying the last laugh. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394561/Th e-force-Jon-Stewart-Daily-Shows-ratings-higher-FOX-News.html#ixzz1OXU3AW4F So, in practical terms, amongst shows designed to entertain via news commentary Fox has a single show that gets better viewership than the Daily Show. So much for the hype. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 09:24 PM
I thought the cousin making the call was common knowledge. Much like other rewrites of history you specialize in JW, he did make the pronouncement, in a race that was too close to call.Google it, I seem to say this to you often, you should experience reality and daylight occasionally. link after link will appear... here is from fave site in buffalo.==> quote:
The genesis of this call, and in particular the chronology of the ensuing echos are telling. The story began on election night at 2:16 AM. Fox News projected George W. Bush as winner of the Florida primary and the Presidential election. In a classic case of pack journalism that college professors will no doubt cite for years to come, ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN all followed Fox’s lead during the next four minutes, calling the election for Bush.The telling part of this story is that the call was made by John Ellis, a freelance political adviser contracted by Fox News to head their election night "decision desk." Ellis is also first cousin to George W. Bush and Florida governor John Ellis "Jeb" Bush.
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 09:30 PM
and..The puzzle comes together quickly. Ellis works for Roger Ailes, the director of Fox News. Ailes is the former Republican party media consultant who, according to Time Magazine, engineered Richard Nixon’s 1968 political resurrection, scripted Ronald Reagan’s 1984 debate comeback and was responsible for rescuing George Bush Senior’s floundering presidential campaign in 1988. It was Ailes who coached then candidate Bush Senior’s campaign performance, prepared him for debates, coordinated his television advertising, and cooked up the racially divisive Willie Horton campaign, eventually turning a double digit deficit in the polls into an election day upset for George Bush Senior. Ailes also served a stint as producer of the Rush Limbaugh radio show. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2011 08:38 AM
Jon Stewart newsman?? There's more news in a Bugs Bunny cartoon than a Jon Stewart show. More comedy too for that matter. Henry Waxman..demoscat from California is a liar. It was early in the Florida Election evening when Fox News called the election. Fox News DID NOT call the election for Bush. They called it for Algore. Later, as more of the precincts vote count came in, the election became too close to call. Later still, the Fox News opinion was that Bush caught up to and passed Algore. Fox News changed their call and called it for Bush. This switch happened after 2am when most people were asleep and ALL votes had been cast hours before. So, the call for Bush...after 2am did not change a single voter's mind or their vote anywhere in America...because it came too late to change a single ballot...anywhere. Algore lost. Henry Waxman is a liar but lying is what Socialists do best. It's about their only thing. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5466 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2011 10:35 AM
Considering that Jon Stewart's audience is better informed than Bill O'Reilly's, I'd have to call him a superior "newsman" if that's what we're wrongly calling commentators. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2011 11:12 AM
The collective neural output of the Jon Stewart audience couldn't budge the needles on an EEG machine.That doesn't make them informed. You can't inform those in a "persistent vegetative state"! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5466 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2011 12:33 PM
Is that the best you can do? You ever going to say anything accurate?IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2011 01:54 PM
Henry Waxman is a liar about W's cousin calling the election? and all of the majors following suit?Prove it. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 08:57 AM
You are in no position to determine whether what I say is accurate...or inaccurate acoustic. Nor is anyone else who is illogical, irrational and unreasonable.Waxman is a liar. I already proved Waxman is a liar. However, for those who surface read, here it is again. Waxman said....: "His premature call for Bush...Waxman LIE! If the early evening call was premature, it wasn't for Bush. Fox called the Florida election for ALGORE in the early evening. "Of everything that happened on election night," said Rep. Henry Waxman, "this was the most important in impact."...Waxman LIE! When Fox News finally called the Florida election for Bush, it was after 2am the next morning. All voting had ceased...long before..by this time all across America. So, the call for Bush had absolutely NO IMPACT on voting in Florida or any other state AND Henry Waxman is a lying leftist twit.
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 09:42 AM
JW- you have yet to prove that Ellis did not make the call, on election night at 2:16 AM. Fox News projected George W. Bush as winner of the Florida primary and the Presidential election. and all of the majors --ABC-- and the rest of the alphabet followed suit.I asked for specific proof. Where is the proof? all I am reading is screeching bliovation. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 09:55 AM
I don't have to prove any such thing Node.I said Henry Waxman is a liar and I proved he's a liar by using his own words. The fact a Bush cousin made the "premature" call, not for Bush but for ALGORE destroys your...and Waxman's meme that a Bush cousin tilted the Florida presidential election vote to Bush. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1385 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 11:49 AM
of course you don't have to prove anything.But in the interest of historical accuracy, efficacy, and just well, you know *__* the truth, you might want to. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5466 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 12:27 PM
I'll always be in a position to determine whether what you say is accurate, JWhop. That's all I've done since I've been here. Your history of getting things wrong is legendary. You're not in a position to speak of others being irrational, illogical, and unreasonable for you possess virtually no cognizance for reality.Node is right. You haven't proven a thing regarding your case for calling things "lies". Where did I get this: Fox News says it is conducting an internal inquiry into Ellis's role to see if he violated any election night rules set out in a memo to staff from John Moody, the vice-president. One of those rules prohibits producers and reporters from 'sharing proprietory information' with anyone outside the organisation. Sources suggest Ellis will be 'quietly let go' in a month or so for providing his cousins with exit poll data, pending a House of Representatives' investigation into the news networks' use of such figures.' IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3799 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 01:00 PM
First acoustic, you wouldn't know the truth if you accidentially stepped in it.Second Node, I did prove the beady eyed, little leftist twit Socialist, Henry Waxman is a liar. The Bush cousin DID NOT initially/prematurally call the election for Bush...because he/Fox News made the initial call for Algore and didn't change their call until after 2am...the next morning. By the time the Bush cousin/Fox News called the election in Florida for Bush, polls were already long closed everywhere in America....and therefore, that call for Bush could have had NO IMPACT whatsoever on the outcome of the election. You...and some others here, including acoustic, need a refresher course in logic...or perhaps you would be taking the logic course for the very first time. Henry Waxman, demoscat congressman from California, remains what he's always been. A liar. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5466 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 01:42 PM
I think you're projecting there again, JWhop. People aren't always telling me how I got it wrong, like they are with you. Nor is this a matter of logic. It's a matter of account. Regardless, you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag with a match and some scissors.You didn't prove anything in this thread, by the way. There's been no independent verification of your version of what took place. It's illogical for you to have think you've proven something merely by stating it. IP: Logged | |