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Lonake
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posted June 06, 2011 08:50 PM
  
Still watching the trial, with the paltry bits of so called evidence the prosecution has (unless they have more) I cannot imagine that she'll be convicted. If she is, imo, I really will have lost faith in the justice system. They want someone to pay for her death, but you can't try to wreck someone's life based on a smell and an internet search (and the potato reference re:forensic past statement really helped the defense), etc. No matter if I think she's guilty or not, there is not enough to send her to jail for any prolonged amount of time. I know arguments can be made out of basically nothing but this case is really pushing the limits of the system. I agree, it's obvious they're (esp George) lying about the father. Of course that would be one of the first questions you would ask your daughter if she were pregnant, and he said it didn't enter his mind to ask at the time. To me, that's fishy right there. His testimony alone could potentially win the prosecution case if the jury bought all of his BS, I wouldn't have bought it, but don't they have to take his testimony as fact? If they do, then the prosecution's case is stronger than I think it is atm. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 06, 2011 09:24 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by taking it as fact. Do you mean the way the prosecution didn't open certain subjects so Jose' couldn't either? I think he will able to lay the foundation when the Defense case begins and ask George more. I'm so hoping he gets his employment records from Ohio and brings out the fact that he put his elderly father through a plate glass window too.
Did you know that the Anthony's asked for full immunity when the bones were found? Lee got it but they didn't. They were trying to throw her to the wolves even before she talked about George and the sexual abuse.
We still don't know what Lee is going to say either. I just can't believe Tony Lazarro got away that easy. He lied repeatedly, IMO. I don't think they're going to call him back either. These two demented parents were trying to set Casey up from the beginning. And you're right, the whole chloroform thing is absurd and again, the adipocere and the duct tape and no DNA. Impossible. Dr. Drew just said tonite that there was a pop bottle with a syringe found near Caylee's skeleton and that the syringe contained chloroform and Testosterone among other things! How're they going to tie THAT to Casey? You don't inject chloroform anyway.
I feel this thread belongs on the conspiracy board now. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 07, 2011 12:04 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 07, 2011 08:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/albatross234#p/u/0/AfFjE03I8Mc IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 08, 2011 01:09 AM
I was just wondering about testimonies given, as they're on record and under oath, are the jurors instructed to take testimony as truth, or if they think the person on the stand is lying can they incorporate that into their decision process?If the parents asked for that, maybe they were just fearful of the blame being pinned on them instead of the daughter. It's creepy any which way you cut it. If so, then her defense seems somewhat retaliatory. But still I don't think she drowned in the pool....it will be interesting what the dogs 'said' about it, but personally I wouldn't buy a trained dog no more than I would buy George's testimony. Do you think the defense will put her on the stand? I heard somewhere they may argue that the chloroform was left behind from chlorine, but if there was a syringe next to the dead body it was either placed there to frame or the killer was beyond stupid, if she even was killed. Is it too late for prints to be lifted, I wonder? The syringe could be a clean way of getting it into a child's mouth since kids will protest about taking meds, etc. and then maybe they could argue the bottle held the chloroform or something like that, if it is true about those 2 objects. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 08, 2011 05:21 AM
I watched the video you posted stillatlarge which is linked to another video were george seem to do a sign with his finger to cindy when she testifies at the stand and it just dawned on me... may be george is indeed the father and the killer isn't george but cindy. that's why they would sort of protect each other's back. but I wonder if casey's attorney jose baez is going to get rid of his over-selfconsciousness and really take his own fingers out of his ass. I mean he has to get them, he's too gentle so far. may be that is part of the defense I don't know. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 08, 2011 09:55 AM
Chloroform isn't delivered intravenously. They put it on a rag and hold it over the mouth. Remember the old movies where they'd sneak up behind somebody or use it for surgery on Gunsmoke and things like that? So why would it be in a syringe at all? That could not only point to someone else, but call into question the source of the chloroform itself, since why would it be in a syringe with a MALE hormone? Casey wasn't taking steroids to bulk up or for erectile dysfunction. Again, no fingerprints on the pop bottle? No DNA on the mouthpart?
Somebody else pointed out, and I noticed it too, that Jose' was absolutely giddy yesterday. We really don't know what he might have up his sleeve and neither does the state. He may be laying traps for them or they may be just saying things that he can use later. He could KNOW all kinds of things that are coming and maybe he will come through after all. But I agree about the fingers. LOL.
Of course the jury can bring their common sense and life experience, and if they think someone is lying, then they can consider it. That's their job-to judge the truth and veracity of the testimony. They're not as legalistic as the judge has to be. Lawyers say When you have the law, ask for a bench trial. When you have the facts or the emotion, ask for a jury trial. That's because the jury can do anything they WANT, truth be told. They can't commit misconduct. But for that exception, anything goes. The judges and prosecutors manage to finesse a lot of them into thinking they can't, with "jury instructions", but the FACT is, the jury could come back and say, "Yeah, she did it but we feel sorry for her" and let her go. They can say yes, the person is guilty, but it's a bad law. It's happened a lot in cases where the victim was so deserving or a bad guy themselves. It's called 'nullification' and it strikes fear in the hearts of the courts. The problem is that people are so dumbed down now they don't even know about it anymore. And this media, that they depend on for their education, isn't about to tell them and the court surely isn't either. I wouldn't count on it happening here.
I think he's going to have to lay into George again and get some of what WE know before the jury, without the jack-in-the-box D.A. objecting every other word and the corrupt judge trying to shut Jose' down himself. He's got to lay that foundation. It might be tough without psych witnesses though. He isn't planning on calling any. I don't know about putting her on the stand. That's a last resort, I'm sure. It'd be high drama if they had her and G&C going at it the same day. Lee is still the wildcard though. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 08, 2011 11:50 AM
Wow! Watching on WFTV life feed. There is more of a connection with the chloroform and Ricardo than Casey, especially when you factor in the testosterone syringe! If he was trying to bulk up, the syringe would make perfect sense. People into bodybuilding and looking "ripped" can get Testosterone easy on the internet from Mexico, Canada, China, etc. I wonder why they zeroed in on Casey. Remember the "Win her over with Chloroform" posting, Winnie the Pooh blankie, the pink t-shirt,...all that and she was last seen at his house that night. It's his word that Casey left with her and he didn't see her again. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 08, 2011 12:54 PM
You can watch live here but the whole site is heavily censored in favor of the state. http://www.wftv.com/index.html IP: Logged |
Lei_Kuei
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posted June 08, 2011 04:02 PM
It was Rev White with the candle stick in the hall 
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“It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.”
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stillatlarge
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posted June 08, 2011 11:12 PM
Warning. This WILL make you sick. http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/tag/cindy-anthony/ IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 09, 2011 12:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by pire:
may be george is indeed the father and the killer isn't george but cindy. that's why they would sort of protect each other's back.
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Lonake
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posted June 09, 2011 12:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Wow! Watching on WFTV life feed. There is more of a connection with the chloroform and Ricardo than Casey, especially when you factor in the testosterone syringe! If he was trying to bulk up, the syringe would make perfect sense. People into bodybuilding and looking "ripped" can get Testosterone easy on the internet from Mexico, Canada, China, etc. I wonder why they zeroed in on Casey. Remember the "Win her over with Chloroform" posting, Winnie the Pooh blankie, the pink t-shirt,...all that and she was last seen at his house that night. It's his word that Casey left with her and he didn't see her again.
If so, why didn't the defense come through with that, I wonder. I know they're lying about the drowning, I just don't know why.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 09, 2011 01:50 PM
I don't know. I just looked at the online document dump on Examiner.com and on the 2nd page of part 2, it comes to light that Krystal Holloway aka River Cruz, is the SISTER of the girl who was writing notes back and forth with Casey in jail! I'm not sure that River Cruz is the same person but I'm almost positive that's the name they assigned her. So George is all in on that whole thing too. Maybe Casey knew he was behind it because of the way she put stuff in there about 'Daddy" and that George had lost is job and hid it from her mother. He conned Krystal into giving him $5,000 and kept it from Cindy. I'm not sure how many of these jailhouse snitches there were. I know one of them that talked about the chloroform was named Adams. You have to do something pretty serious to be in the same part of the jail as Casey is. He was using Krystal's pass to get into the country club til she dumped him. IP: Logged |
saronna
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posted June 09, 2011 07:17 PM
Casy Anothony Innocent needs a JFK lawyerIP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 09, 2011 07:57 PM
An excellent video by a sage old lady.
She nails it again on the media. http://www.youtube.com/user/albatross234#p/u/0/OTbdqHcHAZA IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 10, 2011 10:13 AM
http://brokenflask.com/2011/06/09/the-lynching-of-casey-anthony-and-the-media-wrec king-ball/ "He who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".
[r]Voltaire[/r] IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 13, 2011 12:11 PM
The state is wrapping up tomorrow without calling Kronk evidently. Defense starts Wednesday. Guess the pros is not calling Kronk because he's such a slimeball and because they don't want to give Jose' a warm-up.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 13, 2011 07:20 PM
It does look like it will be finished ahead of schedule. I'm starting to feel nervous. Apparently the judge sided with the defense in not allowing some type of video re:the death band. I feel that the head ME was biased in her testimony because she wanted to believe that Casey did it, and after her testimony the media started reporting breaking news that there was hard evidence that it was a homicide. But that's not necessarily true, it's just the easiest conclusion. They're just too quick to point the finger, it's sad.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 13, 2011 11:35 PM
I just hope Jose' doesn't pull a Cheney and rest without putting on a defense. I don't think he'll do it but as short as they're claiming it's going to be, it doesn't sound like much. I hope and pray Lee testifies for her and that they have some good stuff.
That M.E. is a joke. She based that "100%" b.s. on nothing but her own cases. I can't stand her. I never could. I hope they call her back for the defense and rip her a new one. Everything she said was laughable but she was so belligerent with it, it caught Jose' off guard. Anybody else would've took her on. Why has she had so many job changes in such a short amount of time? Any other lawyer would've at least asked that. She said there was no reason for the tape. How could you possibly know somebody didn't put it over her mouth, if it WAS even over her mouth, to keep the bugs out? As far as their theory that the mandible would've detached, what about the pelvis? What held that and the legs together?
Anyway, we'll see. We can pray for God to intervene somehow. Maybe he'll give Jose' a sign or something and he'll get a stroke of genius or some cahoneys.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 15, 2011 02:57 PM
Sure sounds like Cindy to. She tries to make her pitch higher. Is this the one she was busted on with the phone records? Her diction is very distinctive especially when she says "missing". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fZ4DzM9TbE&feature=related IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 15, 2011 09:18 PM
I just read the "arrest affidavit" (?) written by yuri melich,
http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/files/caseyanthony02.pdf I find 3 things interesting in it. -first, melich says he was approached by george who came to tell him his daughter was holding back some informations. it is said that george approached him to say that, he was not asked by the police. -christine chester sworn she met casey and caylee either on the 12, 13 or 14 of june. which means that even if casey lied about leaving her daughter wth the nanny on the 9th of june, she definitely was with her a few days later. -melich seems to consider casey responsible. she's called "defendant", she's said to show no emotions. from that, he requested that she was "held on a no bond status until the child is located" it is obvious that casey has lied but it is not guilty of death. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 15, 2011 10:58 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/15/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1 "Casey Anthony defense wants convicted kidnapper on witness list" IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 16, 2011 07:04 AM
for anyone interested in the timeline of the events
http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/caylee_anthony_timeline.html IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 16, 2011 12:21 PM
Eeeewww! He's already opened the paternity question unless Perry shoots him down. I don't see how they can get past the paternity issue on a two year old victim with no known father! Regardless of whether there was incest, I believe there is clear evidence of it, they still need to know who the father was for process of elimination of other possible suspects. Why would the cops have asked for the test unless they knew something. Plus, it looks like it was asked for BEFORE the jail letter where she talks about molestation by father and brother.IP: Logged |
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