posted July 21, 2011 04:46 PM            

Another new nationwide poll, conducted by Quinnipiac University, asked the question this way: "Do you think any agreement to raise the national debt ceiling should include only spending cuts, or should it also include an increase in taxes for the wealthy and corporations?"

Some 48 percent of Republicans said spending cuts only, while 43 percent said also a tax increase. (Among all Americans, 67 percent favored the tax increase as well as spending cuts.)

posted July 21, 2011 05:35 PM            

meanwhile the BIG guys jwhop quoted are talking about "small" business as if that were still their interest. because THEY are the ones who stand to lose, NOT the small businessman, but there are MORE small businessmen so we want them to think THEY are the target, not the big guys. just because the republicans refused to raise taxes on the HIGHEST incomes unless the poorest ALSO paid more, does not mean the obama administration is targetting those with lower incomes. they are looking to raise more revenues from those who are MAKING HAY in this atmosphere, INCLUDING the home depots of the world, who are outpricing the little guy at every turn.

so the big guys think one has to shop work out to the more business-friendly mexico...which country is doing SO WELL that scads of mexicans risk their lives to come HERE to work? am i batty or is their a major self-contradiction inherent there?

posted July 21, 2011 05:58 PM            

But people notice the day to day, they notice the tax on cigarettes, and other things. The stimulus lowered taxes for a majority of Americans [i am assuming that no one here is in the top 1% income bracket.]

posted July 21, 2011 07:47 PM            

If the question is asked...do you want to increase revenues to deal with deficits and the national debt then many more would say yes.

That's because "MOST" Americans understand that broadening the tax base by putting people back to work..."increases revenue" to the federal government.

Even the CSM isn't down with O'Bomber's lie that 80% of Americans are with him on raising taxes and cutting spending.

Further, "MOST" Americans are hip to the demoscat scam of loading tax increases into the mix immediately and then forgetting all about spending cuts in years that follow.

We've seen this play before...during the Reagan years and again during the George H.W. Bush administration.

We got the tax increases and Congress never reduced spending...as they had promised to do in exchange for tax increases.

posted July 21, 2011 09:42 PM            

No one has ever said here --that I know of --that profits are bad, or capitalism with the proper regulations are evil. It is the absence of regulation, and the improper prioritizing of profits over people.

posted July 21, 2011 09:49 PM            

But those breaks should go to the people who need them, and who will then turn around and spend the extra money they have.

posted July 21, 2011 11:50 PM            

Even the CNN poll..which CNN is very tightlipped about shows that large majorities favor the Republican...CUT THE SPENDING, CAP THE SPENDING AND PASS A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION. It's called...Cut, Cap and Balance and it's preferred 2-1 or more by CNN respondents.

Yet, we still have O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress attempting to raise taxes on the American people to fund his Socialist agenda.

CNN Poll: 2-1 Margin Favor Cut, Cap And Balance
By: Curt |

Despite the best efforts of Democrats to talk the House Republicans’ “cut, cap and balance” bill into the ground – it’s the worst bill ever, the founders would hate it and it will kill Medicare according to them – it seems as though the public is sold on it. At least according to this CNN poll.

But don’t expect CNN to actually report this eyebrow-raising finding. They don’t even mention it until the 13th paragraph in the article:

Republicans like the “cut, cap, and balance” approach to the debt ceiling, as do Democrats and independents. Most Americans support a balanced budget amendment, and most, but not as many, think an amendment is necessary to get federal spending under control. A balanced budget amendment passed the House earlier this week, but a vote in the Senate is expected to fail.

That’s right, even a majority of Democrats are on board with the CCB. In fact, the CCB got majority support in every single demographic polled notes Ed Morrissey:

Sixty-three percent of Democrats back the House bill. The least supportive age demographic is 50-64YOs at 62/37; the least supportive regional demographic is the Midwest at 61/39. Even those who express opposition to the Tea Party supports it 53/47.

In other words, it’s a clean sweep. Simply put, there is no political demographic at all where the CCB/BBA doesn’t get majority support. The BBA, (Balanced Budget Amendment), on its own does even better. It gets 3-1 support (74/24), and except for those Tea Party opponents (56%) and self-professed liberals (61/37), doesn’t get below 70% support in any demographic.

posted July 22, 2011 10:45 AM            

so it has been anything BUT "unthinkable".

perhaps you earn over 250K per year and you think you need that extra 1500 that would be asked if your income OVER 250K were taxed at an extra 3%..NOT the first 250K, but what comes after?

posted July 22, 2011 11:15 AM            

Btw, Italy would be included in any list of Western Social Democracies.

I agree Randall.

O'Bomber has set back the Socialists at least a generation with his...In your face Marxist, Socialist, Progressive agenda.

Considering that about 60% of Americans identify themselves "conservative", O'Bomber's in your face Socialism is the height of intellectual stupidity.

Americans don't want America "Transformed" from a Constitutional Republic into...anything else.

katatonic, have you ever heard the phrase...
"From each according to his ability, To each according to his need"?

The beginning and end of the story is that...not YOU and not O'BOMBER get to decide who has too much..not in America.

posted July 22, 2011 12:04 PM            

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Socialists will never understand your points, Jwhop, because they are so out of touch with the average American.

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Why is it that Conservative Southerners think they are more in touch with average Americans? That's been disproven over and over again in polls and in the reality that occurs.

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No one has ever said here --that I know of --that profits are bad, or capitalism with the proper regulations are evil. It is the absence of regulation, and the improper prioritizing of profits over people.

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But those breaks should go to the people who need them, and who will then turn around and spend the extra money they have.

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Exactly. Cutting taxes for the rich has not resulted in a jobs boon despite any Conservative who would say otherwise. With globalization it's cheaper to employ people over seas, so even if their money is going to jobs, it's not going to American jobs.

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Just because we have some social programs in this country (like Social Insecurity, welfare, food stamps, WIC, Medicare, and Medicaid) doesn't mean that rampant socialism and capitalism can co-exist. Obama is a socialist. He can dupe people and sell his wares for a while, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

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What a load. Obama's not a Socialist nor is socialism "rampant". That's a completely absurd assessment.

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CNN Poll: 2-1 Margin Favor Cut, Cap And Balance

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From the same poll:
The poll indicates the Republican party is likely to lose the "blame game" if it comes to that. Most Americans think Obama has acted responsibly in the debt ceiling discussions so far, but nearly two-thirds say the Republicans in Congress have not acted responsibly. Fifty-one percent say they would blame the GOP if the debt ceiling is not raised; only three in ten would blame the president. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/cnn-poll-strong -partisan-divide-on-debt-ceiling/?iref=allsearch
(I'll link to the actual poll unlike your blog post, Jwhop.)

Epic fail?

posted July 22, 2011 01:58 PM            

meanwhile, jwhop, i asked a question, i am not telling anyone how much they need. i am just pointing out that 1500 dollars is a lot less important to someone making 300K than to someone making 25K...AND that the higher earner can afford a better accountant, dredge up more expenses to whittle it down, ad infinitum.

and once again, the economy was IN THE TANK when obama came into office. he did not "drive it into the ground" in the last 2 years. even you, jwhop, admit that 2007 was already troubled times.

posted July 22, 2011 02:21 PM            

what of it? if i go to dinner with someone who makes half what i do, i offer to pay a larger share of the bill. does that make me a marxist?

posted July 22, 2011 02:25 PM            

When O'Bomber took up residence in the White House, unemployment in America stood at 7.6%. It's been as high as 10.1% under O'Bomber and today, it's 9.2%.

After spending a Trillion dollars on a useless stimulus...which stimulated only government and this after selling the stimulus as putting America back to work on "shovel ready infrastructure projects", O'Bomber is now talking about MORE stimulus projects for "infrastructure".

The economy is much worse under O'Bomber. The national debt is much higher, unemployment rates are much higher and deficits...against which O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress railed at during the Bush administration are 4 times bigger under O'Bomber with no end in sight.