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jwhop
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posted July 19, 2011 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make no mistake. I think Bush did overspend in some parts of the executive branch.

This is an article on the spending patterns of Bush vs others...including demoscats and Barack Hussein O'Bomber.

Spend It Like Bush
By Randall Hoven
July 19, 2011

What if, over the next decade, the federal government spends as irresponsibly as President George W. Bush did?

Compare two things: the 2012-2021 federal budget as proposed by President Obama in February (and as scored by the Congressional Budget Office in April), and the actual average spending level from 2001 through 2008 as a fraction of Gross Domestic Product. We'll keep the CBO's predictions of revenues and GDP untouched so that only spending differences are compared.

The CBO scored Obama's proposed budget as costing $46.2 trillion over 2012-2021, or 23.5% of GDP on average. Since the CBO expects $36.7 trillion in revenues over that time frame, the 10-year cumulative deficit would be $9.5 trillion. That is the Obama plan, and the only one he has put in writing this year.

For President Bush's numbers, we can use the White House Office of Management and Budget numbers (Table 1.2). Federal spending under Bush, from 2001 through 2008, varied between 18.2% and 20.7% of GDP, and averaged 19.6% of GDP.

Now we can do a simple ratio calculation. If we were to spend at the Bush rate (19.6% of GDP) instead of the Obama rate (23.5% of GDP), total spending over 2012-21 would be $38.5 trillion instead of $46.2 trillion.

That is a $7.7 trillion difference! Here is a table, to make the comparisons easy.


2012-2021 Federal Budget Projections

Obama's Plan

(as scored by CBO)
At Bush's Spending Rate (as % of GDP)

Revenues (Same)
$36.702 T
$36.702 T

Spending (O'Bomber 46T..Bush 38T)
$46.172 T
$38.509 T

Cumulative Deficit (O'Bomber 9.4T...Bush 1.8T)
$9.470 T
$1.807 T

Cumulative Deficit (O'Bomber 4.8%GDP..Bush 0.92%GDP)
4.8% of GDP
0.92% of GDP

Debt held by the public in 2021 (O'Bomber 20.8T...Bush 13.1T)
$20.806 T
$13.143 T*

Debt held by the public in 2021 (O'Bomber 87.4T...Bush 55.2T)
87.4% of GDP
55.2% of GDP*

*Approximated by subtracting the 10-year cumulative deficit from total debt in 2021.

Got all that? To answer the original question: if, over the next decade, the federal government spends as "irresponsibly" as President George W. Bush did, it would:

•Cut $7.7 trillion from Obama's spending plan and cumulative deficit.
•Bring deficits below 1% of GDP (instead of 4.8%).

•Reduce the federal debt held by the public to about 55% of GDP by 2021, or below the level it was last year (instead of nearly 90% of GDP)

Deficits below 1% of GDP and debt below 55% of GDP, both declining, would not even make the bond market's radar screen, much less lead to watch lists and downgrades. Our national debt nightmare would be over.

My proposed new slogan: "Spend it like Bush."

Here are a few tidbits from fiscal history. First, spending under President Clinton (1993-2000) averaged 19.8% of GDP. So spending 19%-20% of GDP is not some fluke of history unique to George Bush. That was the average for the 16 years before Obama took office, 1993 through 2008, under Presidents of both parties, in times of both peace and war.

Second, the House of Representatives is the source of federal budget legislation. Republicans led the House corresponding to budgets written for Fiscal Years 1996 through 2007. Democrats led it for FY 2008-2011 budgets. Here is a plot of federal spending over those fiscal years.


**Notice when federal spending really took off? 2007 when the dimocrats took over both houses of Congress...just like I said it did. **

Source: White House OMB (Table 1.2).

Third, federal spending never exceeded 23.5% of GDP from 1947 through 2008. Obama will have exceeded that level in each of the four years of his term. OMB estimates federal spending to be over 25% of GDP right now. Obama is simply blowing through all levels of spending that preceded him, six decades worth, without anything resembling a return to historical levels.

Fourth, the decade discussed here, 2012-2021, will start almost three years after the Great Recession ended. Obama's above spending plan takes place after his stimulus will have been spent. Both the CBO and OMB expect that decade to be one of economic growth. As Obama is wont to remind us, we are in recovery, the private sector is adding jobs, yadda, yadda. So Obama's 2012-2021 spending plan has nothing to do with getting us out of some temporary jam caused by recession. He is growing government, pure and simple. It's what he does.**Note..That's the Socialist Way!**

Recall these 2009 quotes from President Obama:

"It's a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery package after they've presided over a doubling of the national debt. I'm not sure they have a lot of credibility when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

"What I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got us into this fix in the first place, because those theories have been tested and they have failed."

Obama is a funny guy. He amuses me. Like a clown.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/spend_it_like_bush.html

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katatonic
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posted July 19, 2011 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and do those figures also include projected revenues as per obama's plan?

it is hard to deny that though the figures look like bush spent less, his figures famously did not include the cost of the wars, nor did he raise any revenues to cover the spending...and even harder to deny that they lead up to the crash of 07/08, before obama even entered the white house.

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posted July 19, 2011 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ACTUALLY, Bush did spend less...a hell of a lot less. ADDITIONALLY, tax revenues to the federal government were higher under Bush than under the fiscal and economic mismanagement of O'Bomber.

America has experienced a Presidential downgrade with the election of O'Bomber.

Actual government tax revenues for years 2005-2010. Source, the OMB..Office of Management and Budget.


2005...2153.6B...Bush
2006...2406.9B...Bush
2007...2568.0B...Bush
2008...2524.0B...Bush
2009...2105.0B...O'Bomber
2010...2162.7B...O'Bomber

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posted July 19, 2011 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am asking, are the trillion or so dollars not on the books during bush's admin, which went to the war effort, INCLUDED in your figures? or are they included in obama's figures because he PUT THEM ON the books?

and it makes perfect sense to me that an administration trying to invest some money into an economy in the tank would spend more than an admin in an inflationary bubble that LOOKS like it is making more than it is...because the price of the dollar has been going down since before 2007.

and if the buck stops with obama, it stopped with bush too, so sorry, the colour of congress really isn't an argument by jwhop's rules...but by your own post, spending "took off" as the economy began to convulse.

and obama is trying to get those who are doing better than fine to help out with the cost of his plan, but conservatives are afraid to say boo to them or suggest that maybe they could give back to the country that helped them do so well?

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posted July 20, 2011 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not like Bush. I think he capitulated .I do not like him cuz he was not principled enough, strong enough to stand without approval from others.
Reagen could do this.

I am not judging cuz I could not do it ,either,but I do not like Bush.

Compared to Obama, Bush is the 2nd Coming but that is for another day

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jwhop
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posted July 20, 2011 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Compared to Obama, Bush is the 2nd Coming but that is for another day"

Ami, I think most Americans would gladly trade O'Bomber for Bush now that they've seen the ugly face of Marxist Socialism and the disaster O'Bomber has caused in the American economy.

katatonic, did you not understand that the biggest component of military spending is for payroll..both military and civilian employees, housing, food, health care, pensions, insurance, transportation, etc...AND that this spending must happen whether there's a war or not?

Socialists always want to lump it all together and call it...the cost of the war(s)...but it's not.

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posted July 20, 2011 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes jwhop, as i said, i do understand the extreme overhead of having a standing army. HOWEVER as i pointed out, many of the iraq forces were RESERVISTS who generally make their own living but were called up and went on the books for all those expenses, and many newbies enlisted TO GO TO IRAQ being all fired up in their patriotic zest...

also that the weaponry that must be manufactured and run when we are actually AT WAR puts a big boost in spending.

one of the reasons the founding fathers were against a STANDING ARMY is the cost, though the potential for military coup is also high up there, methinks.

in any case our peacetime forces are not anywhere near the same numbers or expense as wartime ones. just as one has to eat and pay the rent even when sitting at home reading a book, but going on a road trip boosts expenses for that period.

and i don't think many people would welcome bush back - MOST people do not consider obama the reincarnation of stalin, SORRY.

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jwhop
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posted July 21, 2011 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I doubt most Americans see O'Bomber as the second coming of Stalin.

Most Americans see O'Bomber as an amalgamation of the Three Stooges...Moe, Larry and Curly OR an amalgamation of the Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight. "Car 54 Where Are You"!

Poll: 46 percent want Bush back
By Eric Zimmermann - 04/14/10 11:02 AM ET

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/92141-poll-46-want-bush-back

Run that very same poll TODAY and O'Bomber goes down in flames.

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posted July 21, 2011 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, I doubt most Americans see O'Bomber as the second coming of Stalin.

I doubt that as well. I doubt either character brings to mind the other in most people's minds.

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