posted August 17, 2011 02:43 PM            

President's budget sinks, 97-0
By Alexander Bolton
05/25/11 06:15 PM ET
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163347-senate-votes-unanimously-against-obama-budget

Boehner Ends Debt-Limit Talks With White House, Turns to Senate Leaders
Published July 22, 2011

House Speaker John Boehner on Friday pulled out of negotiations with President Obama on raising the nation's legal limit to borrow money, just days before the Aug. 2 deadline when the Treasury says the government will no longer be able to pay all its bills and possibly faces its first-ever default.

posted August 17, 2011 03:31 PM            

He said the White House offered more than $1 trillion in cuts to discretionary spending, both domestic and defense and $650 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security in exchange for $1.2 trillion in new revenues [/b]without increasing individual tax rates.[/b]

When the bipartisan group of senators known as the "Gang of Six" released on Tuesday its deficit-reduction plan, which drew support from both political parties, including the White House, administration officials pulled back when the revenue numbers didn't match theirs.

The White House only moved the goal post due to the bipartisan "Gang of Six".

This:

O'Bomber blew up the debt limit talks with John Boehner by first agreeing to $800B in revenue increases AND then reneging and demanding an additional $400B....after he heard back from the Loony-Tunes Socialists who are the base of the demoscat party. That's fact, not opinion.

At no point has O'Bomber bargained in good faith. At no point has O'Bomber showed any qualities of good leadership.

...also untrue.

posted August 17, 2011 06:01 PM            

O'Bomber attempted to hold Speaker Boehner up for more revenue increases. That's what blew up the debt ceiling talks and convinced Boehner that O'Bomber wasn't negoriating in good faith.

"Q The President appeared in the briefing room on Friday and talked about being left at the altar twice and there was a lot of discussion about moving the goalposts. Then on Saturday, the President spoke with Speaker Boehner and offered a new proposal again where he would be willing to take out the $400 billion and leave it just at $800 billion in revenue. Why did he do that?"

Jay Carney:

"And the Speaker walked away for the second time. What -- I’m not going to address the specifics of conversations that the two men had or that others had, but I think it’s absolutely the case that we believe there is room to find an agreement in the negotiations that the Speaker of the House and the President were engaged in, and that we didn’t make ultimatums or final offers. And the $400 billion of revenue that you refer to is certainly something we can discuss."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/26/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-7262011

O'Bomber blew up the debt ceiling talks with Boehner by reneging on the already agreed to $800B in additional revenues....demanding $400B more.

"You have a twisted version of what constitutes calling something "fact"....acoustic

Everything I needed to prove, I proved. Another whiff for you acoustic. "Fact"...unless you want to call O'Bomber's Press Secretary, Jay Carney a liar!

posted August 18, 2011 12:30 PM            

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How do you do it acoustic? You lose...again!

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Claiming victory when you lost? When you were easily proven wrong via your own link?

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O'Bomber attempted to hold Speaker Boehner up for more revenue increases. That's what blew up the debt ceiling talks and convinced Boehner that O'Bomber wasn't negoriating in good faith.

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Obama was taking into account the bipartisan Gang of Six. What don't you understand about that? That means Obama was taking into consideration a panel's ideas, a panel that included Republicans. Not negotiating in good faith would be Boehner's position as it disregarded the Gang of Six's recommendation.

Your new quote doesn't bolster your point of view. It says Boehner left the negotiations twice, which is not a sign of good leader or of acting in good faith. Obama's well known for being conciliatory. He's even criticized for it. Claiming Obama "blew up" the debt ceiling talks is ridiculous.

posted August 18, 2011 10:42 PM            

Right! O'Bomber was negotiating the "Grand Deal" with Boehner....while waiting for the "Gang of Six"! Right, check.

O'Bomber blew it, plain and simple. He agreed with Boehner on $800B in increased tax revenues...then O'Bomber heard from the crazies on the left, reneged and asked for $400B more.

"there was a lot of discussion about moving the goalposts. Then on Saturday, the President spoke with Speaker Boehner and offered a new proposal again where he would be willing to take out the $400 billion and leave it just at $800 billion in revenue."

"The White House moved the goal post," Boehner said Friday evening in a news conference, claiming that the talks broke down when the White House demanded an additional $400 billion in new revenues, on top of the $800 billion that had been agreed on"

Press Secretary Jay Carney confirmed O'Bomber moved the goalposts and reneged on the already agreed to $800B in revenues.

Listen up acoustic. Get yourself a dictionary if you don't know what words mean.

O'Bomber moved the goalposts on Boehner. O'Bomber asked for $400B more in tax revenues and Boehner got the message that O'Bomber's word wasn't worth a flip.

posted August 19, 2011 12:24 PM            

"I think it’s absolutely the case that we believe there is room to find an agreement in the negotiations that the Speaker of the House and the President were engaged in, and that we didn’t make ultimatums or final offers." - Jay Carney

The only person not understanding plain English around here is you (although I think Randall would like to join you in that distinction). Boehner's characterization of what happened is that Obama moved the goalposts, but Boehner is the one who walked. Boehner is the one who couldn't bring himself to continue with negotiations.

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Btw, the Gang of Six plan didn't fly an inch.

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posted August 19, 2011 12:45 PM            

"Jay Carney:

"And the Speaker walked away for the second time. What -- I’m not going to address the specifics of conversations that the two men had or that others had, but I think it’s absolutely the case that we believe there is room to find an agreement in the negotiations that the Speaker of the House and the President were engaged in, and that we didn’t make ultimatums or final offers. And the $400 billion of revenue that you refer to is certainly something we can discuss."

In as much as O'Bomber had agreed to $800B in increased revenues, when O'Bomber upped the anty, Boehner walked away knowing O'Bomber wasn't negotiating in good faith and perhaps wasn't even the decision maker in the process.

It's laughable that you expect to find the President's Press Secretary, Jay Carney admit his boss blew up the debt limit talks.

Three, (3) separate plans were sent up from the Republican House of Representatives. Any one of those plans would have avoided the US credit downgrade laid on by S&P.

O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in the US Senate blew up any chance the US had in avoiding a credit downgrade.

The American people know exactly who to blame for the holes blown in our deficits.

71% disapprove of O'Bomber's handling of the budget deficits.

posted August 19, 2011 01:01 PM            

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Three, (3) separate plans were sent up from the Republican House of Representatives. Any one of those plans would have avoided the US credit downgrade laid on by S&P.

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The point is moot. Any action that would have occurred earlier than it did would have likely averted that from happening. Republican's three plans have very little to do with it, except that they drew out the timeline ensuring that the S&P thing might happen.

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71% disapprove of O'Bomber's handling of the budget deficits.

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posted August 19, 2011 06:08 PM            

So acoustic, you wanted John Boehner to kick O'Bomber out of the White House? Or, didn't you know that's where the meetings for the "Grand Deal" took place?

Let me remind you acoustic that all 3 Republican plans were sent to the US Senate well before S&P downgraded the US credit rating.

So, there was plenty of time for Hairy Reid to take those bills to the Senate floor and pass them.

O'Bomber and demoscats got the US credit rating downgraded..for the very first time in US history.

posted August 19, 2011 07:23 PM            

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So acoustic, you wanted John Boehner to kick O'Bomber out of the White House? Or, didn't you know that's where the meetings for the "Grand Deal" took place?

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You are the king of poor argument, aren't you? So because they were at the White House, and the President didn't end the talks nor make any ultimatims, it's Obama that "blew up" the talks. No. The guy who couldn't stand the idea of trying to negotiate in good faith left. There's your culprit. End of story.

posted August 19, 2011 08:53 PM            

We all know the O-man bent over backward --to the dismay of his constituents.

Reality is not something that JW or Randall excel at. NOR facts.