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posted October 16, 2011 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK so I was looking at Obama's chart for re-election and first started looking at inauguration day. But then thought that that date might be better for an in-coming Pres, not one who is already continuing. So the other is election day, Nov 6, 2012. Even tho his approval rating is low the re-election is still possibility, and there's no one picked (as yet) for republican party.

Election Day 2012

Here are the transits (if you can't see em clearly on the chart) for next election day,
Sun 14 Scorp
Moon 12 Leo, est.
Mercury 4 Sadge
Venus 11 Libra
Mars 22 Sagittarius
Jupiter 14 Gemini
Saturn 3 Scorpio
Uranus 5 Aries
Neptune 0 Pisces
Pluto 7 Capricorn
NN 26 Scorpio
Chiron 5 Pisces

Inauguration 2009

Election Day 2008

Here are the transits for election day 2008
Sun 12 Scorp
Moon 28 Capricorn, est.
Mercury 0 Scorp
Venus 20 Sadge
Mars 21 Scorpio
Jupiter 17 Capricorn
Saturn 18 Virgo
Uranus 18 Pisces
Neptune 21 Aquarius
Pluto 29 Sadge
NN 13 Aquarius
Chiron 16 Aquarius

We know that his election was based on hope, change, a backlash against the war on Irag/republican greed/the economy failing as result of housing crisis, which brings up themes of Neptune/Jupiter/Aquarius/7th, all these play a strong role in his chart as the face of a mediator, a balanced individual, an idealist, someone with a lot of talk but not so much action (or perceived force) which could be a fair assessment of his presidency, but republicans also worked hard to make sure his accomplishments were few. So looking at the charts, past election vs. next, what is your prediction? And also why you chose yay or nay? Who cares if you get it wrong, I still think it's fun to see his trajectory in the political sphere from an astro perspective.

I wonder if we can point to that Mars/Neptune conjunction as one factor for his perceived ineffectiveness? That combination also points to charisma. Also had Neptune conj his ASC on election day, during that time period before too, and still has it going through his 1st.

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posted October 16, 2011 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Election day 2012 t.Chiron will be at 5 Pisces exact conj its natal position. So there's a Chiron return going on. I don't pay much attn to Chiron but I found this (lengthy) article online,

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When the Chiron return arrives, it can be an evolutionary leap. The person can now take off, and fulfill his or her purpose on earth. BUT, for many, it is too difficult. For many, the leap is not made.

Just as in the period around the child’s birth, at the Chiron return, the world is contending with problems that relate to Chiron’s current neighbors with anxieties in these areas; news reporters discussing related world issues; listen to co-workers discussing their difficulties in these areas. In other words, at the time of the Chiron return, the person is in effect coming home. What s/he has spent a lifetime dealing with, trying to resolve, trying to learn, is now plaguing everyone around the world. What will anybody do?

When Chiron makes ANY transit, the person can at least for a brief moment enter Chiros---the time outside of chronological time. At the Chiron return this no longer is an option---the person finds self forced into Chiros, maybe once, maybe several times. While these moments may be brief, they are now unavoidable.

The person looks around and sees others trying to overcome difficulties that s/he has spent a lifetime trying to deal with. People seem distraught, perplexed and confused. Yet, to the person having the Chiron return, many of the answers seem obvious---many of the problems easy to solve.

Now for Chiros. Major decision time. Should one help others with what one has learned ? Should the Chiron-return individual become a guru, a teacher, or even become the mentor for a younger individual ? Should the person begin to try to counsel others ? OR, will the person attempt to make a profit from his or her knowledge and experience, becoming a creature of the material world, and selling the information ? OR, will the person, perhaps, close up and withdraw, and not even try to help another?

No matter how one has lived up to this point, even if one has led a totally selfish or materialistic existence, one can now make that evolutionary leap. Note the word ‘can’, please. One has the greater free will under Chiros than under ordinary chronological time---but still one must make the choice.

For some people, the return is a very critical time in personal terms. They may develop a major illness, or a serious life-crisis. But even when the Chiron return comes on with such force, the purpose is the same. This crisis gives a major opportunity to make a major decision. Out of such crises comes great awareness, and the potential to become a truly gifted teacher, or even healer.

The story does not end here, of course. A few years later, and the person will experience his or her second Saturn return. What has occurred at the Chiron return will often set the course for what is to happen at the Saturn return.

To clarify this: if, at the Chiron return, one has made the leap to sharing the fruits of one’s experience with those in need, then the Saturn return may be seen as the closing of one chapter in life, and the beginning of a new one. It will be seen as a stepping up, and life will be viewed as being truly grand.

But, if one did not step up at the Chiron return---if one chose a path of selfishness instead of a path of light---AND, one did not rectify this course during the years since the Chiron return---the Saturn return will generally be experienced as a great weight, and as the beginning of the downhill portion of one’s life.

As I said at the end of the previous chapter---if you are not subject to the Saturnian consciousness, you will not have your time sense shaped by the state of your body and its metabolism.

This should tell you that at the Chiron return one should work to develop an awareness of Chiros and learn to live in the ‘Now’, in order for the years after the Saturn return to be truly fulfilling and not years of deterioration.

At the Chiron return some people may feel rather superior to those around them, and quite self-justified. ‘See, just as I have been saying all along’, might be their attitude. Or they may feel that the ‘know it all’ in the areas of their natal Chiron sign. Such individuals can be heard saying, ‘Now, you must do it this way.’ Attitudes like this are not those that lead to taking the giant step upwards. They tend to irritate the very people whom the Chiron-return person is trying to help.

The most positive aspect of this time in life is achieved by linking the higher nature of the two signs which are frequently linked to Chiron: Libra [truly perceiving those you are helping as being your equals, not, inferiors, as well as looking at each teaching experience as your own learning experience, as well], and Sagittarius [sharing the knowledge and wisdom you have acquired, trying to share the true meaning of each experience, and wanting to understand what is going on in the minds of other people]. Perhaps we cannot say that Chiron has rulership over these, or any signs. But there is a definite affinity between Chiron and the signs Libra and Sagittarius.

The ancients had a definite awareness of the connection between liberation from Saturn---and the time around age fifty. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Leviticus 25:8-11, we find the following: ‘And thou shalt number seven Sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then thou shalt cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound through all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof; it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you.....’ [There is more,. but this is the main part]. As you can see, every fifty years all slaves had to be freed, and liberty became the most important thing.

And in each person’s life, the opportunity to achieve freedom from the Saturnian past, and freedom from anxiety about the Uranian future, comes around the fiftieth year---at the Chiron return. UNLESS, of course, one has opened up and truly embraced the principles of Chiron before the return arrives.

Wherever you have your natal Chiron, you tend to be most unaligned with any party or group---most on your own unique path. So you can see that, when Chiron returns, events and circumstances will focus attention on your particular path and stimulate your individualistic approach to the affairs of Chiron’s natal house. Thus, Chiron as the door opener, opening up to your own special destiny. The Chiron return often brings about an awakening to your own singular purpose.

It can be a time of great power. You can overcome the most frustrating limitations now---the most mind-boggling obstacles. The house Chiron occupies indicates the area from whence the potential power can be drawn---and during the Chiron return you have the greatest potential to control and utilize this great power.

Chiron is often viewed as a way to TAP the power of this natal house, and at the return, the potential exists to turn the tap wide open. But consider carefully how you handle this power. The best way, it seems, is:

1. Consider exactly in what ways you have let Saturn restrict you. How have you felt really secure behind some wall, so that you did not venture out into the world ? Where have you ignored, or repressed, chances for growth?
2. Watch for ways to take true steps outside of your walls---they will be coming at the Chiron return.
3. Look for ways to be of real help to others, who can profit from your experience. But do it with light, not force and ego.
4. And, most important, learn to live in the NOW. If Chiron is tied into the universal light, and this light comes from the Creator of all things, then the light must exist in past, present and future. If you live for today, the other two will take care of themselves. 2 Corinthians 3:17---‘Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty’.
You might like to take example from a few people who made the giant step, accomplishing great things at or near their Chiron returns:

William Booth founded the Salvation Army
Howard Carter opened the tomb of Tutankhamen, often considered the greatest find in archaeological history
George Stephenson opened the first practical passenger railway in the world
Charles Darwin published The Origin of the Species
Henry Ford introduced the concept of the assembly line into his factory
Henry Kissinger became Secretary of State and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Gerhard Schmatz became the oldest person to climb to the top of Mt. Everest
Samuel Cunard established the first regular trans-Atlantic steamship service
William Faulkner won the Nobel Prize for Literature
Ernest Heinkel made the first successful flight by jet plane

In closing this chapter, I must state that it is NOT over for those past their Chiron return who have not made that major jump. The lessons of Chiron can be learned at any age. The first step is to try to get into your own personal Chiron, and the next step is to try to learn the meaning of Chiros. If you learn to live in the present, age itself will cease to be a factor.
Barbra Streisand won a 10-year film and recording contract estimated at $60 million.
Hermann Hesse wrote Steppenwolf, which dealt with man's double nature.
P. L. Guinand, a Swiss inventor, patented a new method for making optical glass.
Maya Angelou served as host to an educational series entitled "Humanities in the Arts", which has become a mainstay telecourse used at colleges around the USA.


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Chiron is at 0 Pisces Rx now,
It entered 5 Pisces direct on May 8th, 2011
stayed at that degree and Rx'd back on June 9th
left 5 Pisces Rx on July 10th
will enter 5 direct Pisces on Feb 22nd, 2012 until March 7th
will Rx back to 5 Pisces on September 29th until November 8th
will enter direct to 5 Pisces on Nov 19th until December 30th, so that will be the last day of 'exact' return.

For interest's sake here's some news for him from May 1-July 15th when Chiron was near or exact 5 Pisces this yr, dates are approx.
---May 1st, announces that Bin Laden is dead, seen as a personal victory, approval grew at that time, there were revenge attacks that killed dozens, and threats to his grandmother's life (Sarah Obama who lives in Kenya), reports came in that Bin Laden wanted Obama dead, and wanted to disrupt 2012 election
---May 4th, admonished republican party while a budget had still not been passed
---May 10th, announced plan for immigration reform: secure borders and enforce laws, hold businesses accountable, hold illegal immigrants living in the U.S. responsible - fines, taxes English proficiency, background checks, reform the legal immigration system
---May 14th, announces new Alaska oil drilling and to speed up oil production in general
---May 17th, his 2010 financial disclosure shows him making over a million in royalties on his book sales & having at least a million in U.S. treasury notes and bills, the total of both could reach up to $11 million, with $2 million being the minimum
---May 18th, signed executive order imposing sanctions on the Syrian govt incl. Pres. Assad and 6 other officials: freezing their U.S. assets & banning a person or company in U.S. from doing business with them
---May 19th, announced plan to help Arab nations embrace democratic reforms, amounting to at least $2 billion dollars in support
---May 21st, holds talks with Netanyahu, plan to introduce pre 1967 Palestinian border is rejected, makes Obama feel that Nethanyahu does not want to introduce peace
---June 3rd, republicans take issue with Obama's operation in Libya, wanting to know his reasons for U.S. military influence in that region re:cost and the other wars that U.S. is still involved in, Irag & Afghanistan
---June 6th, his top economic adviser Austan Goolsbee announces plan to quit this summer, claimed economy was "a million miles from where it started". A common occurrence for some reason during his administration.
---June 15th, Dennis Kucinich sues Obama admin over providing NATO with air and intelligence support re: operation in Libya
---June 22nd, announces plan to bring 33,000 troops (10,000 by the end of 2011) back from Afghanistan by Summer 2012 at national address. Says by 2014 Afghan people will be responsible for their own security
---Not much news for July aside from the U.S. budget/debt ceiling.

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lalalinda
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posted October 17, 2011 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is very good.

I am pleasantly impressed with our President.
We may be in for a big surprise with Obama come election time.

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posted October 17, 2011 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake, do you mind if I link to this from GU?

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posted October 17, 2011 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ms. Juni

I'll just transfer it to GU
and then reopen it here.

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posted October 17, 2011 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Purrrfect

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posted October 17, 2011 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having a front runner that Republicans don't much care for may seal the deal for Obama.

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posted October 29, 2011 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting Post on the web by a Republican Supporter:
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I am so disgusted with the republican party and the primates who support these cheesy dunderheads. I'm sorry, but this just isn't good enough. There is definitely something wrong with the people who have seriously supported Palin, Bachmann, Cain, and Perry. These people are not up to the job, and are not the kind of people to be commander in chief of this country. What the hell is the matter with you people? Sad and disgusting. The direct result of the deterioration of out education system, and the brain dead propaganda of Beck and Limbaugh. I know some of you take yourselves seriously, but please, you are fumbling around with the future of this country. It's making me physically sick watching what has become of the political process in this country. It's a circus. A freak show. Wake up America. You are throwing it all away."

Based on the chart, Obama does have ok chances [exact Pluto trine Pluto and Chiron Return combination ] but he will need a lot of help from the Republicans in shooting their own feet.

I would also look at the Natal Transits to his Draconic Chart, for a heavy Jupiter influence to enable victory. There is a little known Vedic secret as well I have not fully analyzed but maybe in a couple of months will be able to identify its efficacy by testing in the last few election results.

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posted October 29, 2011 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/28/republicans-done-jumped-the-shark-fox-news-poll-favors-obamas-job-creation-policies/

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posted November 05, 2011 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama will be re-elected.

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posted November 05, 2011 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
welcome Kannon McAfee. Cool name

Re Obama being re- elected, the jurys still out

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posted November 05, 2011 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted April 14, 2012 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Having a front runner that Republicans don't much care for may seal the deal for Obama.

Is this the chart you were referring to


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posted April 14, 2012 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do we think when we see Romney's H9 ruler as Saturn in the 3rd opp Venus at the MC, and --dun dun dunnn-- coming up to solar arc to Neptune in the 5th. Neptune rules the 11th of his hopes and wishes. Is this an appropriate smiley ~

t.NN will be conj his n.Moon/Jup in the 6th & t.SN on p.Sun/Merc in the 12th.
^ Is this a recipe for disaster with the transit nodes on the luminaries in these unfortunate houses? (and on the Scorp axis connected to death)
What do you guys think (!)

o and this one: t.Chiron sq n.NN, exact
t.Jupiter sq n.Merc 1 deg: high hopes & to hell with reality "big picture, guys, big picture - who cares what the exit polls say."

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Well one thing I'll say is that Romney is not riding high on t.Neptune & Obama still has it in his grasp (h1).
Neptune in Aqua - A change we can believe in.

Should we just look at the inauguration chart & debate over which chart shows the least amount of stress?

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an astrologer named debbi compton smith was big on moon positions for predictions...and the pinnacle position for getting what you want is when the moon is in your sun sign. as in obama's election 2012 chart. question is what does he want? does he want to be president again or would he rather be the EXpresident whose influence is global? of course he may prefer both, and the latter will apply whether he wins in november or not...it looks like he is up for the second term and his wings will be unclipped IF the voters provide him with a congress that is not contaminated with party politics. kind of a tall order, but possible if enough people "get" it AND VOTE.

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posted April 14, 2012 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Obama will be re-elected.


Kannon
Do you base it on the chart or your political views? Hello and nice to meet you, Kannon!

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posted April 14, 2012 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat, I've read many articles by many astrologers speculating about the things you've mentioned above. Astrologically it looks as though Pres Obama will be dealing with personal changes in his life, according to astrologers who've performed an election 2012 analysis. The future strictly politically speaking of this country kind of rests in his hands. I wonder what he's going to do. Some even speculate that he's going to take on Hillary Clinton as his VP re-election running mate and let Biden go. Which would be beyond incredible. All of this however is on the hush hush...Yet it's somewhat written in the stars astrologically. Which is incredibly interesting.

An Obama and Hillary Clinton ticket, two very dedicated individuals interested in human welfare, international affairs and diplomacy abroad. There's a change I can most definitely believe in. The future of this world would be something to see.

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An Obama and Hillary Clinton ticket, two very dedicated individuals interested in human welfare



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posted April 16, 2012 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
the pinnacle position for getting what you want is when the moon is in your sun sign. as in obama's election 2012 chart. question is what does he want? does he want to be president again or would he rather be the EXpresident whose influence is global? of course he may prefer both

This has worked for me in the past so I would not doubt what she's written.
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I wasn't referring to a chart, but a person, but, yes, Mitt doesn't bode well for Republicans, particularly because he comes across very similarly to John Kerry.

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I know astrology is only a snap shot of the could bes...

So...
When looking at elections is it important to counter in the big people around the candidates?
Important people weighing on Obama
H. Clinton
J. Biden

Important people weighing on Romney
P. Ryan

Bidens mouth and Clintons dealings in Benghazi isnt weighing in favor of Obama..

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posted November 12, 2012 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reviewing Lonakes info .

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I think people tend to miss Obama's Descendant emphasis. Being another person with a stellium in the 7th (and another planet below the DC) I get that there authentically is a focus on others. Jupiter in Aquarius reaching out to that 7th house Mars in Virgo could create a powerful servant mentality. Ruler of the 11th (humanitarianism) in the 12th(spiritual dreamworld). Ruler of the 9th (philosophy) in the 7th (law, partnerships and open enemies). Ruler of the 7th (law, partnerships and open enemies) in the 6th (practical service towards others). 5th house (creation) and 8th house (transformation) rulers in the 6th (practical service towards others).

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Interesting analysis, AG.

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Yes thanks AG ~
His sabian for Asc is also worth a look,

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Aquarius 19: A forest fire quenched
Theme: Satisfaction
Inspiration: The trick to true satisfaction lies in an encircling process of delayed gratification.
Today: Think about it. if you extinguish the desire, where does the joy of satisfaction go?

Forest fires burn with a hunger that defies immediate extinguishing. The technique of controlling a fire is more one of managing the laws of combustion such that what the fire wildly desires is gradually denied, rather than putting the fire out all at once.

In human affairs, and especially in human passion and desires, a little self-control goes a long way to fulfill a truly satisfying experience.

In social affairs, be accepting of the slow process to get something going. In emotional dramas, circle the hot point without fuelling the fire.

The contemplative wayfarer also continues to tend the flame of spirit and enlightened desire by means of encompassing focus."


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PHASE 319 (AQUARIUS 19°): A FOREST FIRE IS BEING SUBDUED BY THE USE OF WATER, CHEMICALS AND SHEER MUSCULAR ENERGY.

KEYNOTE: The skill and courage necessary to bring under control the destructive potential of carelessness of karmic "visitations."

Forest fires may be caused by human carelessness, by lightning or by the by-products of modern technology. Every individual — at least once in his lifetime, if not repeatedly — may perhaps have to face spectacular reactions to seemingly insignificant acts. These are to be considered means to test his strength, ingenuity or emotional stability. Every faculty at his disposal must be made use of — emotional, mental, physical. He needs faith in himself and in superior Powers.

At this fourth stage of the five-fold series we are shown man in action in a crucial and potentially devastating situation. There is need for a total mobilization of energy and a deep sense of INDOMITABILITY.


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