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jwhop
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posted December 22, 2011 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But wait, how can that be? Isn't O'Bomber "The One We've Been Waiting For"; "The One", "The Messiah"?

Only the 4th Best President?

O'Bomber is way too humble!!

December 22, 2011
Obama the Humble Only the Fourth Best President?
Marcus Ebenhack

What this statement says more than anything about Obama is how he measures his success.

"The issue here is not going be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president - with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln - just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history. But, you know, but when it comes to the economy, we've got a lot more work to do."

Let's set aside Abe, he freed the slaves, even Obama knows he can't compete with that.

But Johnson (I'm assuming he means Lyndon, not Andrew) and FDR? What do these two have in common? He did mention foreign as well as domestic policy in his statement but these two couldn't be further apart foreign policy wise. FDR led us to victory in WW II, LBJ got us buried in the quagmire of Vietnam due to his indecision -- get in it to win it or get the hell out -- LBJ did neither, he voted 'present', sound familiar?

Domestic policy on the other hand, is another issue altogether. One can easily make the case that FDR (the New Deal) and LBJ (the Great Society) were responsible for the largest expansions of government, entitlements, and generally 'progressive' (God I hate that word when used in this context) statist policy in the history of the country.

With Obama-care, he is right up there with them, and this, sadly, in his mind, is a grand accomplishment. Bill and Hillary couldn't pull it off.

So that's where he's coming from, and using these metrics it's hard to argue with him.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/12/obama_the_humble_only_the_fourth_best_president.html

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katatonic
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posted December 22, 2011 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you have a source for the alleged quotes? apart from the fringe writer that is?

just FYI even the alleged quote does not claim to be "the 4th best president". just mentions a couple of others who have made EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR TO CONSERVATIVES changes during their terms...

just love the way you denigrate laws that make concrete the statement that "ALL men are created equal" and extends that to those who were not SEEN AS EQUAL previously.

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jwhop
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posted December 22, 2011 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha

Is CBS..."60 Minutes" a "solid enough source" for you katatonic?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57341009-10391709/president-obama-the-full-60-minutes-interview/?tag=contentBody;listingLeadStories

Or perhaps Politco...a left leaning online source?

“The issue here is not going be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln —"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70684.html

President Humble!

Hands down, O'Bomber is the biggest screw-up and empty suit ever to infest the White House.

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posted December 22, 2011 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you. now we have sources. unfortunately not much time at THIS minute for watching and studying them, however, just reading the quotes i don't actually see him saying he is the "4th best president" as in your title. THAT IS THE PITCH OF THE WRITER... he says his accomplishments are up there with anyone OTHER than those three, quite a difference unless you are rabidly opposed to the speaker...somehow i doubt obama is childish enough to list "best to worst presidents by number" as some like to do.

considering that ever since TEDDY roosevelt presidents have been ATTEMPTING AND FAILING to get healthcare bills through congress, that one thing alone is no small achievement.

and of course he says "our" which implies he is giving credit to others he worked on things with. but of course, you think he is the messiah, so you would miss that.

isn't it amazing how differently two people see the same object - or quote?

i am no fan of much of what has gone on in this presidency. but maybe if you and yours weren't trying so hard to bury him and the rest of us with him, he wouldn't have to point out his accomplishments.

NOW, name me a HUMBLE president...or politician for that matter!

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posted December 22, 2011 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i haven't noticed you being particularly SELF-DEPRECATING.. he's a LEO too, y'know!

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posted December 22, 2011 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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“The issue here is not going be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, [b]I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln

wow. that's unreal.

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Hands down, O'Bomber is the biggest screw-up and empty suit ever to infest the White House.

Carter? Could have sworn you handed that trophy to Jimmy.

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posted December 22, 2011 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually go with Wilson. But Bush 2 was pretty bad. Might need to flip a coin next time someone asks. *sigh* decisions

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posted December 22, 2011 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol. whether you like the healthcare act, or anything else he's done, it is a major achievement that they got it through. as i said, many commonly called "great" presidents have failed to do just that. and most of them do NOT give credit to the rest of their team - the "we" involved.

whether you like obama or not, the fact that he is proud of that is not the same as saying HE is THE 4th BEST PRESIDENT, it is saying that this and some of his other achievements rank up there.

and it gives a nod to the great legislation those 3 presidents passed in their time.

the "4th best" remark WAS from other people who obviously don't agree that it was an achievement and obviously think that anyone who stands up and says "i did good" is a bigheaded monster.

i could say the same every time jwhop boasts about how he gave some politician a piece of his mind and witheld his contribution from them. of course he is entitled to his opinion and not to donate to folks he doesn't like. but someone could run with that and say "so effing what? do you think they even read your letter? who do you think you are anyway?"

in the meantime donald trump thinks obama is bigheaded because he hasn't asked for an audience with the donald to save his rep. now THAT is bigheaded.

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posted December 23, 2011 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could never be considered an accomplishment...at least not in a Constitutional Republic...to pass legislation which makes the majority of Americans want to throw up...as well as organize to give you and your accomplices the bums rush at the first opportunity.

shura, you must have been off writing your memoirs when I noted after the 2nd year of the reign of O'Bomber that he had already managed to snatch the crown for worst president off the hapless Carter's head.

Though I must say that Carter is making a valiant attempt to regain the crown.

Ex-President Carter sends condolences to Kim Jong-un
By Victor Morton
December 21, 2011, 03:38PM

Former President Jimmy Carter has sent North Korea a message of condolence over the death of Kim Jong-il and wished "every success" to the man expected to take over as dictator, according to the communist country's state-run news agency.

A dispatch from the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said Mr. Carter sent the message to Kim Jong-un, Kim Jong-il's son and heir apparent.

"In the message Jimmy Carter extended condolences to Kim Jong Un and the Korean people over the demise of leader Kim Jong Il. He wished Kim Jong Un every success as he assumes his new responsibility of leadership, looking forward to another visit to [North Korea] in the future," the KCNA dispatch read.....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/dec/21/ex-president-carter-sends-condolences-kim-jong-un/

I do hope it will not be necessary to remind anyone here that Kim Jong Il was the murderous dictator of the Communist Stalinist state of North Korea OR that he oversaw the starvation of about 2 million of his own people while he lived in luxury and misdirected the food aid meant for his starving citizens to his military and elitist supporters.

Well shura, I've covered the "Progressive" Woodrow Wilson in depth here, along with his lasting legacy of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the 16th Amendment. Covered too was his arrest and confinement of about 70,000 Americans on what amounted to charges of Sedition for speaking ill of him and his government flunkies...as well as his lie to the American people to get himself reelected for a 2nd term..that he would keep America out of WWI; the lie which became immediately apparent after he was re-inaugurated.

Covered too was the "Progressive" Wilson caused Depression of 1920-1921 which led to one of the best Presidents in US history...through succession...in the person of Calvin Coolidge.

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posted December 23, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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shura, you must have been off writing your memoirs when I noted after the 2nd year of the reign of O'Bomber that he had already managed to snatch the crown for worst president off the hapless Carter's head.

It's true. I was elsewhere and missed what was no doubt a most glorious day.

Hadn't yet heard this latest Carter story. Libra the Peacemaker, eh? Good God. I'm seriously considering if poor Jimmy is no longer of sound mind. Politics makes for strange bedfellows (Nixon/Mao, Bush/Saudis etc) but why Carter feels the need to sow seeds of goodwill with tryants is beyond me. Did he not get his Nobel already?

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Well shura, I've covered the "Progressive" Woodrow Wilson in depth here ...

I know you have and I love you for it. Thoroughly evil man and so few recognize this.

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posted December 23, 2011 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes shura, I began to doubt Carter's sanity when he was still president and reported that he had been on his boat and an angry rabbit swam out to attack him!

You're right. Not many people know the true history or dismal legacy of Woodrow Wilson. Apparently Ronald Reagan's parents didn't know either. They named their son Ronald Wilson Reagan.

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posted December 24, 2011 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's a pity some people think that because they and their friends don't like something that MOST OF AMERICA thinks like them. a lot of people who don't care for the healthcare bill feel that it didn't go far enough.

however a lot of young people, now insured on their family's plan so they can get started on their careers; a lot of medicare recipients who are saving money on that ole donut hole; and people who can no longer be denied care because they were sick in 75...are LOVING IT. and more to come.

i still suspect that the mandate was a sop to the insurance companies and obama always suspected it would get washed out. we'll see this spring won't we?

and maybe, just maybe, if the hooters and hollerers weren't so determined to shout him out, he wouldn't HAVE to point out what he HAS accomplished.

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posted March 02, 2012 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, now O'Bomber is comparing himself to Gandhi and Mandela. He's already compared himself to Lyndon Johnson, Franklin Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln.

Just give O'Bomber a little more time and I'm sure he'll get around to comparing himself to Washington, Jefferson and Madison too.

I have to say...as a practical matter...that O'Bomber is a lot closer to Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro and Chavez than to any of the persons he's mentioned so far.

Clearly, O'Bomber is a delusional narcissist of the first order.

Obama Likens Himself To Gandhi And Nelson Mandela
March 2, 2012

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/02/obama_likens_himself_to_gandhi_and_nelson_mandela.html

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posted March 02, 2012 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All hail King Obama!

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posted March 03, 2012 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blech... his makes me want to barf!

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posted March 03, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can't see the video right now. like juni i have issues that way, but i can think of one way in which obama compares to both those men...he is the first non-white president of his country. so comparisons are not too hard to draw. that is a direct result of the mindset of the voters of all three countries and the way they were changing.

criminal for a president to have a grasp of history, is it now?

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posted March 08, 2012 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well BearsArcher this should make every American barf. Strangly, it doesn't.

It's like some of us were raised in 2 different Americas.

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posted March 13, 2012 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Well BearsArcher this should make every American barf. Strangly, it doesn't.

It's like some of us were raised in 2 different Americas.


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posted March 20, 2012 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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