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juniperb
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posted January 26, 2012 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure jwhop there are allegations and poop out there but truth is, he makes muddy deals that are shady but not provable in most cases (like an experienced deal-man does). That sure don`t make him a hero much less good guy.

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"The committee believes you have been adequately informed and cautioned on Rule 45 issues and anticipates full compliance in the future," said Rep. James V. Hansen (R-Utah), the panel's chairman, and Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.) in a letter to Gingrich.

The committee decision came near the close of the House session as lawmakers hurried to clear languishing business and return to their districts to campaign for next month's election.

Eisenach was a paid consultant to GOPAC, a Republican political group formerly chaired by Gingrich, according to the letter.

Gingrich is paying $300,000 for the costs of an ethics committee investigation after admitting last year he made inaccurate statements during a lengthy probe into Democratic allegations that he misused tax-exempt donations. (note* admitted!*) Gingrich denied the charges but submitted to a reprimand by the House.

In a brief interview, Gingrich said he felt a "big sense of relief" now that the four-year investigation is over.

"It ends a chapter. Let's go on to other things," he said.


(HE wishs http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/101198.htm

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posted January 26, 2012 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-spokesman-speaker-misled-response-john-king-during-162457933.html

He only mentioned his daughters in his interview with the Today show as well.

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posted January 26, 2012 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" In response, Gingrich erupted. "To take an ex-wife and make it two days before the primary a significant question in a presidential campaign is as close to despicable as anything I can imagine," he said. "The story is false. Every personal friend I have who knew us in that period said the story was false."

It was despicable as well as a contemptible attempt to change the focus of the debate off O'Bomber and on to the candidates.

Newt also told King...“I am appalled you would begin a presidential debate with a topic like that,” Gingrich told King. “I am astounded CNN would take trash like that and use it to open a presidential debate.”

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“I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans,”.

All of which got Newt another standing ovation...because people in America are just as fed up with the drooling O'Bomber lapdog media as Newt is.

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posted January 27, 2012 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...“I am appalled you would begin a presidential debate with a topic like that,” Gingrich told King. “I am astounded CNN would take trash like that and use it to open a presidential debate.”

That was worthless and uncalled for. Americans have known his adulterous behavior for more years than the youngest voters are old.


It wastes time, makes fools of the media and by default, a fool of me if I watch it

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posted January 27, 2012 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I'm the fool juni. I watched the debate(s)!

I thought Ron Paul had the best line last night.

They were talking about Newt's plan to establish an American colony on the Moon.

When Paul was asked about it, he said..and I'm paraphrasing here....I don't know that I'm interested in spending money on a moon colony but there's some politicans I'd like to send there.

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posted January 27, 2012 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again jwhop,

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You mentioned Murdoch but failed to take note of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Time, Newsweek, Saloon, Slate and the other assortment of far left loons who pollute the airwaves and destroy forests to print their incoherent rants.

I didn't mention them, honestly, because I credit you with being well-informed, and I didn't want to overstate the issue and annoy you. My point is, the real media bias we are seeing the obvious lack of real war coverage. When is the last time you saw footage of half-destroyed children who survived drone attacks, for example? You'll never see that on TV...it would foster anti-war sentiment. Likewise, you NEVER see war protests in the mainstream media.

6 media conglomerates control most of the media. http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main

For brevity's sake I'll just look at a few, and mention their ties to neconservatism and militarism.

GE:
2009 Revenue: $157 billion (five times lager than its next-biggest competitor)
CEO Jeffrey Immelt is Obama's “Job Czar”

General Electric media-related holdings include a minority share in television networks NBC and Telemundo, Universal Pictures, Focus Features, 26 television stations in the United States and cable networks MSNBC, Bravo and the Sci Fi Channel. GE also owns 80 percent of NBC Universal. On January 18, 2011 the Federal Communications Commission approved Comcast’s take-over of a majority share of NBC-Universal from General Electric. However, General Electric still has a 49% ownership stake in NBC-Universal.

GE funds various conservative think tanks including the Institute for International Economics, the American Enterprise Institute and the Center for Strategic and International Studies. http://www.herinst.org/envcrisis/media/ownership/nbc.html

AEI is the most prominent think tank associated with American neoconservatism, in both the domestic and international policy arenas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute

AEI members involved in The Project for the New American Century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#Sign atories_to_Statement_of_Principles

Newt Gingrich is an AEI member.

GE's CEO Jeffrey Immelt and John Faraci, AEI board of Trustees member, are two of small group of elites who traveled to Brazil with Barack Obama in his first trip to South America.

That is typical of the "left" and "right" being in bed together.

2) Walt Disney:
2009 Revenue: $36.1 billion
CEO: Bob Iger

The Walt Disney Company owns the ABC Television Network, cable networks including ESPN, the Disney Channel, SOAPnet, A&E and Lifetime, 277 radio stations, music and book publishing companies, production companies Touchstone, Miramax and Walt Disney Pictures, Pixar Animation Studios, the cellular service Disney Mobile, and theme parks around the world.

The Pentagon Goes to Hollywood http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130293&page=1

Ben Sherwood, ABC President, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sherwood

Propaganda: How ABC spun an alleged terror plot Into a 'thriller' http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/news/mediabias/it em/1042-how-abc-spun-a-terror-plot-into-a-thriller

3) Time Warner:
Controls CNN, which hosted the American Enterprise Institute Presidential debate

(I'm running out of time here, but I think you get my point)

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Now, as a practical matter; would you consider taking one subject at a time and consider not lumping a blizzard of subjects into one post?

Yes, consider it done.

Best wishes,
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p.s. And I'm sure you know that Romney's Bain Capital (they are partial to him, though he is no longer in charge) is heavily invested in the media: http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/10547-romneys-bai n-capital-owns-media-giant-broadcasting-limbaugh-hannity

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posted January 27, 2012 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
considering that newt used sexual shenanigans to bring down a president, i don't consider the question was irrelevant at all...and the fact that newt falls back on "friends at the time" to back up his claim that the statement by his wife was false, well how "open" can a marriage be? were his friends with them 24/7? which friends?

i am not the least bit surprised that he thinks colonizing the moon is a good way to spend taxpayers' money. let's just GIVE UP on what is going on here on earth and when the colony is up and running, PRIVATIZE it because it's too expensive for the govt to be involved with! same as it ever was...

how nice to know that those who can afford it can hang out on the moon while nuke gingrinch bombs the bejeezus out of iran and everyone else he doesn't like.

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posted January 27, 2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I can't say that I find it "dispicable" either. It was a recent news story regarding a person in the debate. Since when is that off limits? What's dispicable is hiding behind a moral outrage that has no merit.

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posted January 27, 2012 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I'm the fool juni. I watched the debate(s)!

Yeah, I watched them too lol. Shrugs, once a fool always a fool I guess

Anyhow, Mr. Paul was right on target, as usual. I`ll help him pack a few politicans bags for the send off.

Moon colony, jeepers creepers whats next, a nudist colony ? Both make about as much sense ...

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posted January 27, 2012 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now i see why you watch the debates you guys...

(there may be a 20 sec ad at the beginning of this..or not!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiPpG5Nk6X8

the last 30 secs are the best by far!

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posted January 29, 2012 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ kat ^

Cain backs Gingrich... imagine that

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posted January 29, 2012 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's sad so many people don't know what got Kommander Korruption impeached in the US House.

Kommander Korruption wasn't impeached for having sex with Monica.

Kommander Korruption was impeached for committing perjury and obstruction of Justice in an Arkansas Court during the Paula Jones lawsuit.

Kommander Korruption was also fined $90,000 by the judge and lost his license to practice law.

Kommander Korruption also paid a $900,000 settlement to Paula Jones in her lawsuit.

There, now don't you feel better knowing the truth about Kommander Korruption? Now you won't need to go around spreading false allegations that Newt impeached Kommander Korruption for having extra-marital sex with Monica.

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posted January 29, 2012 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well save your crocodile tears for someone else then!

no one (def not me) said he was IMPEACHED for sexual misconduct with monica l. HOWEVER THAT was the opening newt used to get him in trouble. the rest as they say is history. try to read with a little more discernment, jwhop, as you so often suggest to others here...

no one is going to crucify newt for his own serial infidelities and insensitivities with his wives and mistresses. rumour has it that the current wife, who once upon-a was creditted with not minding him having an open marriage (when he was married to someone else!) now is experiencing what she said she did not mind BEFORE she was married. i wonder how the shoe fits now?

however newt brought the accusations against clinton and he is a hypocrite to call such questions trash now.

th th th th that's sall folkss!

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posted January 29, 2012 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@juni yes i think herb cain (as sarah palin calls him) should consider himself lucky to get out quick before real damage was done him by the wolves in prudes' clothing.

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posted January 29, 2012 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"considering that newt used sexual shenanigans to bring down a president, i don't consider the question was irrelevant at all"...katatonic

"no one (def not me) said he was IMPEACHED for sexual misconduct with monica l. HOWEVER THAT was the opening newt used to get him in trouble."...katatonic

One more time katatonic...and everyone else.

Kommander Korruption was NOT impeached by Newt and the US House for having sex with Monica...or anyone else.

In fact, the Paula Jones lawsuit in Arkansas...where Kommander Korruption committed perjury and obstruction of justice...which are impeachabe offenses...had nothing whatsoever to do with Monica....AND, no one ever suggested Kommander Korruption had sex with Paula Jones.

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posted January 30, 2012 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well you'd better tell newt, he keeps putting his foot in --it!

Newt Gingrich: I’m Not Like Bill Clinton
by Lois Romano Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM EST

Pressed at a Florida Univision forum, the former speaker rejected a comparison to Clinton—even though both were having affairs at the same time in the '90s.

Newt Gingrich insisted Wednesday in Miami that there was nothing similar about his personal failings and those of Bill Clinton—even though both men were having extramarital affairs in the late '90s. And Gingrich, as speaker of the House, tried to impeach Clinton over his.

Pressed during a forum at Univision—the Spanish-speaking television network—about the hypocrisy involved when “at same time he was doing the exact same thing,” Gingrich was indignant.

It wasn’t the same thing, Gingrich repeatedly insisted. “I didn’t do the same thing,” he said. “I didn’t lie under oath. I didn’t commit a felony.” He added that in his own divorce depositions, he told the truth—which Clinton did not when asked about Monica Lewinsky.

nice of you to back newt up, jwhop, but despite the FORMAL charges of lying, the INSTRUMENT used to screw clinton into the ground was monica lewinsky. of course there were other factors, like paula jones, who had BIG DREAMS of money - she "offered" to settle her case for 2M.

so though the paula jones case was ALSO part of the take-down of clinton, and it MAY be true that he never had sex with HER, it was still about improper conduct and sexual harassment.

and sorry but i have to laugh at these republican saints who never did anything wrong, even though two of newt's three wives have less than savoury memories of him.

newt's a dirty scoundrel who thinks it's okay to crucify other dirty scoundrels but NOT NEWT NEVER!

somehow i don't think his conversion to catholicism will gloss this over in the latino community.

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posted January 30, 2012 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"It wasn’t the same thing, Gingrich repeatedly insisted. “I didn’t do the same thing,” he said. “I didn’t lie under oath. I didn’t commit a felony.”"

This passage was included in your own post katatonic. Did you miss this?

"I DIDN'T LIE UNDER OATH. I DIDN'T COMMIT A FELONY"

What is there about this that you don't understand?

Extra-marital sex..if between consenting adults is not a felony. Lying to America about it...as Kommander Korruption did in front of television cameras..."I did not have sex with that woman"..is not a felony.

Lying under oath in a court of law is felonious, consisting of both Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. The commission of felonies are grounds for Impeachment. Remember the "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" impeachment statement in the Constitution?

You're not going to win this argument. Your facts are wrong.

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posted January 30, 2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a marriage vow is an oath, jwhop. newt does not know how to keep one. he can say it is different but the only difference is that clinton was PUT in the hot spot, not newt. now he is in it he thinks we should all be "bigger" than that. what's more, he made as much mileage out of clinton's behaviour as anyone. and his response to people's allegations is about as genuine.

personally i don't care about other people's sex lives. clinton should have been more forthcoming from the get go, and there would have been no case for impeachment, would there? newt might learn a thing or two from that old story but he is doing exactly the same thing.

his old friends who KNOW he didn't say what his ex said he did, how flimsy can you get? if they were there at the time, then it must have happened, and if they weren't, how would they know?

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posted January 30, 2012 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 30, 2012 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"a marriage vow is an oath, jwhop"

So is swearing to tell the truth in a court of law katatonic.

However, Newt broke no laws. Kommander Korruption did when he committed Perjury and Obstruction of Justice in the Paula Jones trial...and that's what got Kommander Korruption impeached. It had nothing to do with Kommander Korruption committing adultry with Monica.

For the record, I don't give a rat's ass what you think of Newt. But if you're going to biatch and moan about Newt, the least you could do is get the story straight.

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posted January 30, 2012 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Newt must be some special kind of masochist to put himself through this.

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no, and rupert murdoch broke no laws either. just everyone who works/worked for him. SO FAR.

please, tell me in your words what the ethics investigation into newt was about?!?
you know, that little party that cost him $300K?

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After being in the majority in the House for 68 years, demoscats were incensed to find republicans in the majority.

Newt led the campaigns which unseated demoscats and put them in the minority. demoscats were also incensed that Newt had earlier led the charge against demoscat Speaker Jim Wright who was forced to resign.

demoscats filed more than 80 ethics charges against Newt.

Newt was exonerated on each and every ethics charge filed against him.

Newt accepted a "Reprimand" for misleading the ethics committee..which was not an ethics charge as filed by demoscats.

Newt paid a "penalty" as part of the sanction but Newt paid NO fine for any ethics violations he was charged with...because he was exonerated on every charged violation. The "penalty Newt paid was for the extra work the committee claimed as a result of Newt "misleading" them.

Later, Newt was also cleared by the IRS of charges made by demoscats.

So, most of what you've read and most of what Mitt Romney is now saying about Newt being forced to resign in disgrace is utter
bullshiiit.

Proof this is bullshiiit is that the House disposed of the ethics charges against Newt on January 22, 1997 after which...Newt was reelected Speaker of the House and served as Speaker another 2 years.

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Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Gingrich during his term as Speaker, all but one of which were eventually dropped.[68] After an extensive investigation and negotiation by the bipartisan House Ethics Committee, Gingrich was reprimanded and fined $300,000 by an overwhelming 395-28 House vote, with both Republicans and Democrats speaking in favor of those sanctions. It was the first time in the history of the House that a Speaker was disciplined for an ethics violation.[69][70]

The last three charges were dropped because although it was found that he had violated a House rule in the past, there was no evidence that Gingrich was still violating it at the time of the investigation.[68] The one charge not dropped was a charge of claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. In addition, the House Ethics Committee concluded that inaccurate information supplied to investigators represented "intentional or ... reckless" disregard of House rules.[71]

The Ethics Committee's Special Counsel, James M. Cole, concluded that Gingrich had violated federal tax law and had lied to the ethics panel in an effort to force the committee to dismiss the complaint against him. The full committee panel did not agree whether tax law had been violated and left that issue up to the IRS.[71] In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the "Renewing American Civilization" courses under investigation for possible tax violations.[72]

In January 1997, Gingrich said "I did not manage the effort intensely enough to thoroughly direct or review information being submitted to the committee on my behalf. In my name and over my signature, inaccurate, incomplete and unreliable statements were given to the committee, but I did not intend to mislead the committee."[73] But he also apologized, saying "I brought down on the people's house a controversy which could weaken the faith people have in their government."[73]

wikipedia with sources noted on their page.

in other words another powerful figure who is laying the blame on the people who did his drudgework. it seems not ALL the charges were dropped, and very clear that it was not just democrats who held him to the fire.

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