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Topic: Gas Prices Soaring--Obama's Chances Declining!
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Randall
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posted March 16, 2012 11:51 AM
  
Hasn't gone down anywhere I 've heard of.IP: Logged |
Node
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posted March 16, 2012 05:18 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-16/oil-rebounds-from-one-week-low-on-outlook-for-u-dot-s-dot-demand-growth IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2012 05:27 PM
If Americans would loose their love of the SUV, and Trucks, for personal transportation...well that would only happen if gas is over $4. Happened before. The SUV market crashed in 2007-08. and it was a beautiful thing. ______
Now, they think that their environmentally efficient land yacht that used to get 18 MPG aspires to 25 MPG they are being cost conscious. And Green. smirk. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 16, 2012 05:29 PM
well it's down 6 cents in two days running at my local and i live in cali, the land of expensive gas. and as they say, the rest of the country eventually falls in behind california's lead.heard it on the news also. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted March 17, 2012 12:26 AM
Yeah Randall, to hear leftists tell the story, gas prices are falling like a rock out of the sky.  However, this is the real story of O'BomberGas.
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx It looks like your prediction of $4.60 per gallon gas prices are on track to come true. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 17, 2012 01:49 AM
Trump called Obama an "economic ignoramus" on Twitter. Heard a live interview with Trump where he pretty much decimated Obama on gas prices and on China. We could see a drop to $2.00 a gallon very quickly with someone in the oval office who knows what he is doing. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 17, 2012 02:02 AM
gas goes up and down all the time. at the moment it is coming down, not like a rocket but slowly, always slower coming down than going up! especially on the west coast, generally ahead of the curve in both directions...and as i've said before, the overall tendency has been going up since cars became commonplace.and as we all know, during the last presidency they went very high too. they didn't stay that way, no, but they were right up there. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 29, 2012 05:25 PM
okay, so straight from the horse's mouth, heard on the radio today the PRESIDENT OF SHELL OIL saying "the reason oil/gas prices are high is because WORLD SUPPLY IS TIGHT. WE HAVE SEEN THIS COMING FOR YEARS AND YEARS" capitals mine. so, in fact, it would seem the people who do everything they can to sabotage renewable energy technology are more to blame for high prices than obama, who has only been around for a VERY few of those years. if we had MORE of those renewable energy sources the price of oil and gas would be lower! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 29, 2012 08:10 PM
Of course, the oil companies are going to say that.  IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 29, 2012 08:11 PM
And doesn't that fly in the face of your claims that production is up? So, which is it, Kat?IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 29, 2012 08:15 PM
oil production is up. that is a recorded fact, not a "claim" of mine. but supply is not infinite. and we have known this was coming for years.demand is up in china, india and other "developing" countries. the solution is more internet jobs and less commuters, for now, AND more alternatives. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 09, 2012 08:35 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/4 -politically-controversial-issues-where-all-economists-agree/255600/ Government policies don't explain high gas prices Individual's beliefs about the extent to which the U.S. government should be blamed for high gas prices seems to have a strangely strong correlation with whether they like whoever happens to be in charge at the time. Economists on the other hand strongly reject the idea that the government has much affect on these prices. None of the surveyed economists disagreed with the following statement: "Changes in U.S. gasoline prices over the past 10 years have predominantly been due to market factors rather than U.S. federal economic or energy policies." So why do people blame politicians when gas prices rise? Supply and demand, of course. Ideological pundits and politicians are happy to supply arguments blaming incumbent politicians, and ideological individuals are eager to believe them. People should set their ideologies aside and accept the sometimes inconvenient fact that market forces, not politicians, have been the primary driver of gas prices over the past 10 years. you will also find, if you bother to read, that they agree with you, randall et al, that free trade is a good thing...and that a large percentage of the population don't agree with them on this! however their definition of free trade is the "new", global one, including NAFTA etc as examples of that trade... they all agree as well that the gold standard is a BAD idea, and that the stimulus WORKED, whether or not they agree that it was the best or "right" thing to do. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 09, 2012 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
And doesn't that fly in the face of your claims that production is up? So, which is it, Kat?
 
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tautomer4314
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posted April 09, 2012 09:02 PM
The simple fact of the matter is we need to start putting the majority of our energy focus into forms of energy that do not involve fossil fuels. We will still need them for certain industrial processes and pharmauticals. However, using them for fuel will quickly dwindle those nesscarry supplies much faster then is needed.The long term benefit of switching over to other forms of fuel and energy far outweigh the cons by a huge amount. ------------------
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katatonic
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posted April 10, 2012 01:24 PM
no randall, the fact that supply is tight is due to more demand in places where it wasn't before, not lack of production. however production is not infinite while destruction may well be.the gulf, supposedly saved by oil-eating bacteria, now appears to be full of dolphins whose reproductive systems are seriously damaged. these things have a long tail and it can be hard to follow the real results, but if we can find anyway to tap renewable resources that don't kill us and all our fellow animals, and/or the vegetations that feeds us/them, that can only be a good thing. while those who fear change choose to sit back and LAUGH at those who are looking, are just doing good imitations of ostriches... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 10, 2012 03:58 PM
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katatonic
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posted April 10, 2012 08:12 PM
you better hope we never meet face to face, ami. bullies do not do well in my presence. the worst sort in my mind are those who hit the floor screaming THEY are the victim when someone notices what they are doing...i will now resume ignoring your NONposts aimed only at riling me. they are extremely ineffective. if you ever have anything genuine to say i will consider responding. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 10, 2012 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
you better hope we never meet face to face, ami. bullies do not do well in my presence. the worst sort in my mind are those who hit the floor screaming THEY are the victim when someone notices what they are doing...i will now resume ignoring your NONposts aimed only at riling me. they are extremely ineffective. if you ever have anything genuine to say i will consider responding.
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tautomer4314
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posted April 10, 2012 09:10 PM
Both of you two need to stop sniping at each other. It's completely unconstructive and does no good. It is to my understanding that the two of you have a "history". That can't be changed. Nevertheless, the future can be and it is best to simply move on, keep the personal attacks to yourself, and just remain within civil discourse. If that is not possible, then the both of you need to mutually agree to not respond to each other. Lest this devolve into something worse and one or both of you get removed from the forum for rule violations.------------------
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katatonic
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posted April 10, 2012 09:22 PM
as i already said, but thanks tautomer for your two cents. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 11, 2012 08:13 AM
Yeah, even in GU, please refrain from personal attacks. ------------------
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AcousticGod
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posted April 11, 2012 11:43 AM
Robert Menendez claims U.S. fuel exports surpassed imports in 2011 for the first time since 1949...and it's true.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 11, 2012 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Yeah, even in GU, please refrain from personal attacks.
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