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AcousticGod
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posted March 21, 2012 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By JACK GILLUM and SETH BORENSTEIN | Associated Press – 8 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — It's the political cure-all for high gas prices: Drill here, drill now. But more U.S. drilling has not changed how deeply the gas pump drills into your wallet, math and history show.

A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.

If more domestic oil drilling worked as politicians say, you'd now be paying about $2 a gallon for gasoline. Instead, you're paying the highest prices ever for March.

Political rhetoric about the blame over gas prices and the power to change them — whether Republican claims now or Democrats' charges four years ago — is not supported by cold, hard figures. And that's especially true about oil drilling in the U.S. More oil production in the United States does not mean consistently lower prices at the pump.

Sometimes prices increase as American drilling ramps up. That's what has happened in the past three years. Since February 2009, U.S. oil production has increased 15 percent when seasonally adjusted. Prices in those three years went from $2.07 per gallon to $3.58. It was a case of drilling more and paying much more.

U.S. oil production is back to the same level it was in March 2003, when gas cost $2.10 per gallon when adjusted for inflation. But that's not what prices are now.

That's because oil is a global commodity and U.S. production has only a tiny influence on supply. Factors far beyond the control of a nation or a president dictate the price of gasoline.

When you put the inflation-adjusted price of gas on the same chart as U.S. oil production since 1976, the numbers sometimes go in the same direction, sometimes in opposite directions. If drilling for more oil meant lower prices, the lines on the chart would consistently go in opposite directions. A basic statistical measure of correlation found no link between the two, and outside statistical experts confirmed those calculations.

"Drill, baby, drill has nothing to do with it," said Judith Dwarkin, chief energy economist at ITG investment research. Two other energy economists said the same thing and experts in the field have been making that observation for decades.

The statistics directly contradict the title of GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's 2008 book "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less," as well as the campaign-trail claims from the GOP presidential candidates.

Earlier this month, GOP front-runner Mitt Romney said of his solution to higher gas prices: "I can cut through the baloney ... and just tell him, 'Mr. President, open up drilling in the Gulf, open up drilling in ANWR (the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). Open up drilling in continental shelf, drill in North Dakota, drill in Oklahoma and Texas.'"

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, said on the Senate floor last week, "With oil prices above $100 a barrel and gasoline soaring toward $4 a gallon, greater production is not a political opportunity, it is a legislative imperative."

Supporters of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline say it would bring 25 million barrels of oil to the United States a month. That's the same increase in U.S. production that occurred between February and November last year. Monthly gas prices went up a dime a gallon in that time.

The late 1980s and 1990s show exactly how domestic drilling is not related to gas prices.

Seasonally adjusted U.S. oil production dropped steadily from February 1986 until three years ago. But starting in March 1986, inflation-adjusted gas prices fell below the $2-a-gallon mark and stayed there for most of the rest of the 1980s and 1990s. Production between 1986 and 1999 dropped by nearly one-third. If the drill-now theory were correct, prices should have soared. Instead they went down by nearly a dollar.

The AP analysis used Energy Department figures for regular unleaded gas prices adjusted for inflation to 2012 dollars, oil production and oil demand. The figures go back to January 1976, the earliest the Energy Department keeps figures on unleaded gas prices. University of South Carolina statistics professor John Grego, New York University statistics professor Edward Melnick and David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor, looked at the analysis, ran their own calculations, including several complicated formulas, and came to the same conclusion.

When U.S. production goes up, the price of gas "is certainly not going down," Melnick said. "The data does not suggest that whatsoever."

The calculations "help make the point that U.S. production and demand have little to do with the price of gasoline in the U.S., and lend support to the notion that there is not a great deal we in the U.S., acting alone, can do to affect the price of gasoline," Peterson wrote in an email. He pointed out that Energy Department figures show that gas prices in the U.S. seem to rise and fall similarly to gas prices in Europe, showing that it has little to do with American drilling.

And that's the key. It's a world market, economists say.

Unlike natural gas or electricity, the United States alone does not have the power to change the supply-and-demand equation in the world oil market, said Christopher Knittel, a professor of energy economics at MIT. American oil production is about 11 percent of the world's output, so even if the U.S. were to increase its oil production by 50 percent — that is more than drilling in the Arctic, increased public-lands and offshore drilling, and the Canadian pipeline would provide — it would at most cut gas prices by 10 percent.

"There are not many markets where the United States can't impose its will on market outcomes," Knittel said. "This is one we can't, and it's hard for the average American to understand that and it's easy for politicians to feed off that."

If drilling activity rises around the globe for a sustained period of time, gasoline prices can fall as that new supply eventually finds its way to market, but the U.S. can't do it alone, oil analysts say.

Politicians — especially those in the party that's not occupying the White House — have long harped on high gas prices when expedient. Then-Sen. Barack Obama said in 2008, when he was running for president, that "here in Ohio, you're paying nearly $3.70 a gallon for gas, 2-1/2 times what it cost when George Bush took office."

But Obama, who has seen gas prices go up 73 percent since he took office, was singing a different tune last week in his weekly radio address: "The truth is: The price of gas depends on a lot of factors that are often beyond our control. Unrest in the Middle East can tighten global oil supply. Growing nations like China or India adding cars to the road increases demand. But one thing we should control is fraud and manipulation that can cause prices to spike even further."

The political party of the president doesn't seem to matter to the price at the pump either. Since 1976, the average monthly gas price, adjusted for inflation, during Democratic presidencies has been $2.25; under Republicans it's been $2.34. Obama had the steepest monthly average at $3.05 and Bill Clinton the cheapest at $1.68.

When Bush and running mate Dick Cheney campaigned in 2000, they argued that as oil executives they could get oil prices down, with Bush saying, "I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply."

Yet it was during the last few months of Bush's term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.

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Associated Press writers Dina Cappiello and Matthew Daly in Washington and Jonathan Fahey in New York contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-more-us-drilling-didnt-drop-gas-065231245.html

I hope this finally puts to rest the notion that, "Drill baby drill," has or could have a reliable effect.

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posted March 21, 2012 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
US energy prices are a function on the limitation on refining capacity, and not so much a function of a lack of supply of crude to meet rising demand.

While the price of WTI crude is rising to $120 bbl, refining crack spreads are still narrowing, and thus there is little economic incentive to promote a refining enterprise over and above a exploration and development enterprise.

On a related matter, there is also a huge over abundant supply of natural gas now that the Marcellus Shale windfall has come into play. Yet, the government is discouraging natural gas-fired power generation. Wind generation is somewhat in the ballpark, with economic cost equalized via some PTCs/ITCs (at tax payer's expense) but solar power generation, which the Prez wants, can be up to five times more costly than natural gas.

I assume that you are proficient with the energy/power sector lingo cos those AP reporters are talking out of their posterior. I'm an industry financier.

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posted March 21, 2012 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, YTA.

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posted March 21, 2012 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And to add to the concept of narrowing crack spreads, the US consumer doesn't want to pay $5 per gallon of gas at the pump, but we have nonsensical liberal states with ever increasing gasoline sales taxes (includes both federal and state), like Connecticut (68 cents per gallon), New York (67.9 cents per gallon) and California (67.5 cents per gallon).

The fault lies more with the states than with XOM, CON, BP or RDS.A

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posted March 21, 2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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US energy prices are a function on the limitation on refining capacity, and not so much a function of a lack of supply of crude to meet rising demand.

Glad you agree with the article you're trying to malign (even if your premise is questionable).

The article measured gas price versus oil production, and found no causal effect regarding the amount of oil recovered and the price of gas on the street, thus nullifying the notion that an increase in oil production will lead to lower gas prices (a notion put forth heavily by Fox News). There's no rationale for saying the AP is talking out of their ***** .

So much for being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

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posted March 21, 2012 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wake up! All you drones can focus only on powering your little personal automobiles that the only thing you think of is price of gas at a gas station.

Mazut is used for home heating oil. Kerosene is used for diesel trucks and high refined kerosene is used for aerospace fuel. Specialized polyethelene petroleum is used for manufacturing specialty chemicals and plastics. There are still turbines that run off crude.

Drilling in the US won't affect the price of Brent Sea Oil, but sure will affect West Texas Intermediate. The bbl price of oil drives a huge section of our economy, and heavily affects the viability of industries such as agriculture, retail and consumer non-durables. It affects everything in your life, far beyond that car you drive.

Drilling increases the supply of crude oil in the US, drives down the commodity prices of US-based petroleum products and reduces inherent market volatility and trading speculation. It even lowers the prices of pharamceuticals and reduces the cost of health care.

And all you drones care about is the silly price of gas at the pump. How sad.

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posted March 22, 2012 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like you're waffling there a bit.

Now you're saying that increased production will lower prices over a broad range of products including gas? I think that's unlikely. We've already established that production doesn't dictate the market and therefore also doesn't dictate pricing.

Your "drone" labelling is rather uncompassionate I must say. I don't mind it if you're levying it at me, because it would be simply untrue, but you're really levying it at the American public. Of course they're concerned about the price of gas. Their livelihoods depend on it. The price of gas is only "silly" to those easily able to afford it. Yes, petroleum is used across a wide range of products. That doesn't really act to diminish the immediate need for economical gas by consumers. I'm certain a struggling person would take a bit of offense at being called a sad drone for wanting better gas prices.

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posted March 22, 2012 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've established no such thing. Bush began drilling, and the mere threat dropped gas prices immediately. It goes to reason that Obama's actions have caused an increase in gas prices. And gas prices dictate the prices of many other products and services.

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posted March 22, 2012 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
some people fail to understand the international nature of the oil/gas business, the role of speculation and refineries pushing the price up, OPEC's part...so many factors.

the easy conclusion is based on circumstantial evidence and skimpy circumstantial evidence at that.

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posted March 22, 2012 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have. See the first post in this thread. Then, if you're still curious, do some research of your own. Oil prices are a market construct. They're artificial. They're not based on simple supply and demand.

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Bush began drilling, and the mere threat dropped gas prices immediately.

Oil production is up under Obama. Even Conservative fact checkers agree to this point. Bush didn't cause a change in gas prices. That correlation doesn't work out.
Here's some inconvenient data for you: http://www.politicususa.com/obama-oil-production/

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some people fail to understand the international nature of the oil/gas business, the role of speculation and refineries pushing the price up, OPEC's part...so many factors.

Indeed.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/determining-oil-prices.asp#axzz1pn431sNP
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/gas-price.htm
http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

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posted March 22, 2012 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it`s $4.09 a gallon here and I don`t care much who`s fault it is as long as my paycheck increases along with the gas price.

That isn`t going to happen so someone needs to get on the stick and get it stableized...asap.

If that makes me a drone, so be it

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Originally posted by Randall:
We've established no such thing. Bush began drilling, and the mere threat dropped gas prices immediately. It goes to reason that Obama's actions have caused an increase in gas prices. And gas prices dictate the prices of many other products and services.

If we don't get rid of him, we have seen nothing yet about how bad it will be imho.

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Let’s look at real number of the Bush vs. Obama administration and specifically federal land numbers.

According to the Bureau of Land Management, the agency tasked with reporting oil drilling permits, etc. on federal lands has reported that in 2001, the Bush administration approved only 3,439 permits increasing slightly to 3,802 by 2003. It wasn’t until 2004 that Bush doubled the permits approved, but by they dropped dramatically back down to 4,579 in 2005.

In 2009 under President Obama, there were 4,487 oil drilling permits approved to drill on federal land and in 2010 there were 4,090 permits issued and finally by 2011 there were 4,244.

Now, let’s look at new wells started.

In 2001,under President Bush, 3,448 wells were started dropping dramatically down to 2,871 in 2002, then only 2,957 new wells in 2003, and only 2,702 in 2004 and finally dropping to 1,742 in 2005. In comparison in 2009 under Obama there were 3,267 new wells started, in 2010 there were 3,166 and 2011 there were 3,260.

Now we will look at new leases on federal land. In 2001 Bush issued 3,289 new leases, only 2,384 in 2002, and 2,022, in 2003 and finally 2,699 in 2004. Now let’s compare Obama’s actions, in 2009 there were 2,072 new leases, in 2010 there were 1,308, and finally in 2011 there 2,188.

So when we compare two Presidents and the first term, Obama is NOT halting any production any more than George W Bush. In fact in some areas he exceeded President Bush. This needs to be explained by the Republicans, because it looks like Obama is more of an oil president than Bush

(for those who can't be bothered to open links)

that is, ON FEDERAL LANDS, obama has consistently given more drilling permissions than bush did. private lands are another issue altogether according to jwhop, but we don't even need to go there.

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posted April 13, 2012 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More inconvenient truth:
Crossroads Says oil "production's down where Obama's in charge."

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If anything blame the refiners and the poor infrastructure, drilling won't make much of a difference.

It will eventually have to be processed by the refiners.

No new refineries have been built and the refineries that are currently in operation are at max or close to max capacity.

It starts with a company that owns the land were the resource is, next comes the driller, next comes the pipeline to transport it to the refinery, finally off to the gas station.

Any disruption in any those will cause prices + wall street.

Right now blame the refiners.

If anything lets form a big "lindaland investment group" and hedge are gas, exactly what the airlines do.

Buy an estimated years supply of gas when the price is low and sell what we don't need back.

or lets all start taking public transit or biking, who needs a car with the high price of gas, insurance and the fact that municipalities are increasing traffic enforcement for there crumbling budgets.

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