posted April 10, 2012 03:24 PM            

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Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ken., has dismissed Democratic criticism of the GOP's so-called "War on Women," calling it "a manufactured issue."

In a radio interview with a Louisville radio station, the longtime Kentucky senator rattled off the names of the five Republican women in the Senate as proof that the GOP is inclusive and respective of women's rights.

"Talk about a manufactured issue -- there is no issue," McConnell said on WHAS-AM. "Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison [from Texas] and Kelly Ayotte from New Hampshire and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe from Maine I think would be the first to say -- and Lisa Murkowski from Alaska -- 'we don't see any evidence of this.'"

Democrats have been pummeling Republicans in recent weeks over some members' opposition to contraceptive rights as well as the GOP's traditional reluctance to support equal-pay laws.

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The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, for example, was blocked by Senate Republicans until Democrats finally secured enough votes in 2009. That law required employers to pay women and men equal wages.
On "Meet the Press" the other day, David Gregory asked Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), "Do you think that there is something of a war on women among Republicans?" Instead of rejecting the very idea out of hand, the senator implicitly conceded the reality of the situation, responding, "I think we have to fix that."

But there was something else McCain said on the issue that's worth acknowledging. Gregory brought up a proposal pending in the senator's home state of Arizona, [which] "would permit employers to ask their employees for proof of medical prescription if the employee seeks contraceptives for non-reproductive purposes. So, Arizona Republicans are going to make you tell your boss if you are having sex but you're taking precautions not to get pregnant."

Asked about the measure, McCain said he's "confident" it will not become law, adding that the proposal "certainly doesn't reflect, in my view, the majority view of the people of Arizona."

Here's a little tidbit McCain may not know: the bill has already passed the Arizona state House, thanks to the strong support of his own party. Perhaps without realizing it, the senator told a national television audience that Republicans in Arizona are pushing an agenda that's at odds with what Arizona's mainstream wants.

The anti-women agenda does not play well on the big stage, where coverage denies them the stealth they enjoy in state politics. I heard VA residents last week regarding the lack of mainstream media coverage there. I imagine it is similar in the other states that have pushed through this legislation or are trying to. Even trying an amendment on the ballot failed in Miss. so the less discussion, the happier the GOP
McCain also voted for the Blunt amendment

Scott Walker quietly repeals the equal pay act in Wisconsin and this is supposed to help women's equality how? The GOP is on a crusade to end Planned Parenthood, which provides primary healthcare (not just abortions!) to millions of women and this is supposed to help women how?
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posted April 10, 2012 03:59 PM            

Here's the thing though. Is there a war on Women? Not really. Not directly at least. Not with intent. However, the public opinion and consensus right now says there is a war on women, so that leads me to believe that it is a valid stance.

Really what's going on is there is a perceived war on womens' related issues. Which is quite well founded. Contraception, abortion rights, and reproductive rights in general largely do revolve around women, seeing as they are largely responsible for carrying a new life into this world. If you are to target those types of issues with restrictive legislation, it is going to be perceived as a "war" on women and womens rights. Even if those passing the legislation are not actually trying to oppress womens rights, that doesn't automatically mean there isn't a "war" against them.

That's what I feel is going on with many of these GOP lawmakers right now. In their own minds, I feel that the majority of them aren't trying to wage a war on women, and genuinely do not have much of anything against women. The problem is they are unable or unwilling to perceive how this could be taken as an attack on their rights by the legislation they are trying to pass. Because of that, they can not "see" what they are doing, and remain disconnected. The truth is, the majority of people who act as racist, sexist, etc. in their actions and words do not see themselves as that way at all. It takes a long time to get them to see the other side of things (if that is even possible).

In the end, I don't look at this as a war on "anyone". I simply look at the issue, see if I agree with or not, and approach it as such based off the issue alone, and how it could effect the public. The second you put some kind of politically charged group "label" on any sort of legislation, often leads to logical inconsistencies and quite a bit of of unnesscarry squabble.

The way I see it, I do not agree with a single one of these abortion legislations (as I am very pro-choice). I also REALLY do not agree with any of these contraception legislations pieces. The country is socially taking huge steps backwards and it is very disturbing. With all of this, I don't even "factor" in the "war on women" issue, as it puts an unbalance on these issues. However, I feel it is a valid stance to take, as there is validity to seeing it that way.

I very often take the stance that most politicians are good people at their hearts and are really just trying to do what they feel is good for the world. If you think that way then you can usually remain neutral and have an objective opinion.

posted April 11, 2012 02:52 AM            

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Three of the four women McConnell names have already come out against the GOP’s war on women — Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK).

In fact, Murkowski specifically pushed back on claims like McConnell’s, saying, “If you don’t feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters.” Maybe McConnell should take her advice.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hsMWeCflYE

I also like what a commentor said on that ^^ youtube page....

posted April 11, 2012 11:07 AM            

"Herman Cain Says Men Are More Familiar With Obama Policies Than ‘Other People,’ Also Known As Women"(Dan Amira, NyMag)

"Yes, President Obama is very likable to most people, if you just look at him and his family. But if you look at his policies, which is what most people disagree with, it’s a different story. And I think many men are much more familiar with the failed policies than a lot of other people, as well as the general public.[Herman Cain]" http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/cain-women-gender-gap-romney-obama.html

posted April 11, 2012 11:51 AM            

implying that thinking for yourself is an exclusively male trait, and that the little woman is much more likeable when she does not do such out-of-gender things.

posted April 11, 2012 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
not to mention here on this board, where when i suggested a female member might think for herself instead of quoting other members and pundits, another (male) member consoled her by saying "you have been accused....of not thinking like a man...but i am glad you're not"...

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Weren't you just told to not make personal attacks in another thread recently? Dreading up previous issues is going to do no good and this comment is unnecessary.

Cut it out.

posted April 11, 2012 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Weren't you just told to not make personal attacks in another thread recently? Dreading up previous issues is going to do no good and this comment is unnecessary.

Cut it out.

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Kat was just making a point. I don't think she intended for it to be a personal attack.

posted April 11, 2012 02:46 PM            

Kat: your example of a 'Cainism'...spot on.

posted April 11, 2012 02:49 PM            

I came 'late' to the thread you are referring to.

posted April 11, 2012 05:14 PM            

i have only just met you and don't appreciate your chasing me around wagging your finger. that is not a personal attack either, but a statement of how i feel.

posted April 11, 2012 05:39 PM            

There is noooooooooot enough rule regulation on behavior in this section of the form and I can't tollerate it. No one inforces a damn thing. I can not control myself when I see others do something I feel is off, and I will be obligated to keep them in line. I used to administrate a forum that had strict rules and the lack of them here drives me batty at times. In here it's going to tip me over the edge and I'll just spend all my time policing everything. Hell the very nature of this website with it's lack of features and rules is crazy. I'm surprised I have lasted as long as I have with this. Quite frankly, I don't agree with how the forum is run at ALL, and it drives me absolutely insane because I can't do a damn thing about it, and it's not right for me to either. I'm to controlling for my own good.

At least from this forum, I bid you farewell until something changes (which I do not see happening ever). It's not the hostillity, but the lack of anything that is done about it that I can't take.

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posted April 13, 2012 08:16 AM            

I learned that few people can achieve success in life without a whole LOT of people wanting to tear that person down for very personal reasons unknown to anyone who is looking in. As I get more successful, I have to battle these kinds of things which did not plague me when I was not. They are very painful to me, as I grew up with a mother who was threatened by me. It is very hard for me to stand up and be counted.It may not appear that way but it is. I fear success so badly that I can barely eat. I have to force myself to break that glass ceiling that was set for me by someone else.

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posted April 13, 2012 09:00 AM            

I would like a favor.

If at all possible I would like for you to make the effort and refrain from posting in any thread started by :user_name: node.

This is a free forum, and everyone can post wherever they like... -but- I would greatly appreciate any effort on your part to fulfill this request.

posted April 13, 2012 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Node:
AA:

I would like a favor.

If at all possible I would like for you to make the effort and refrain from posting in any thread started by :user_name: node.

This is a free forum, and everyone can post wherever they like... -but- I would greatly appreciate any effort on your part to fulfill this request.

Thank You.

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Sure, and you do the same

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posted April 13, 2012 09:22 AM            

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I have, (save for one lately) for some time now.

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posted April 13, 2012 09:31 AM            

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posted April 13, 2012 09:37 AM            

can't help yourself can you?

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posted April 13, 2012 01:06 PM            

for the record there are lots of men who do NOT think this way.

yesterday in an attempt to bolster the self-image of stay at home moms rush was attributing the feminist movement as another "manufactured issue" by the left to make women feel malcontent...as someone who grew up in betty friedan's social circle - full of well to do stay at home moms like friedan - i have to differ. the women's movement was about CHOICE, not putting housewives down, though a lot of people, male and female, came to see it that way.

there was just so much resistance to a woman wanting anything outside the box at the time. and i understand scott walker is now cancelling the equal pay for women statutes in his state...for which i can find no excuse.