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Ami Anne
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posted April 12, 2012 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He does not say a word when people put a bounty on the head of George Zimmerman. I am disgusted and fed up with Obama and all his cronies. If he gets in this time around, the US is done. Our currency and everything else will go down the tubes. The people who want this will live to regret it but I can't control any of that. I am just disgusted.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 12, 2012 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami,

Under what scenario can Obama not get re-elected? It almost appears a sure thing now.

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katatonic
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posted April 12, 2012 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i thought you were a libertarian? ie you don't want the government getting into every little thing, right?

the only reason this case is getting federal attention is to help stop the circus and deliver some facts. bounty hunting is already against the law (as in taking the law into your own hands, not allowed under our system!).

zimmerman is safe in custody and if he is smart he will stay there!

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Ami Anne
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posted April 12, 2012 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Ami,

Under what scenario can Obama not get re-elected? It almost appears a sure thing now.



I don't think it is a sure thing at all. You can't listen to polls, Ian. Polls can be whatever people want them to be. Reagan was losing in the polls right up to his landslide

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Ami Anne
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posted April 12, 2012 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
i thought you were a libertarian? ie you don't want the government getting into every little thing, right?

the only reason this case is getting federal attention is to help stop the circus and deliver some facts. bounty hunting is already against the law (as in taking the law into your own hands, not allowed under our system!).

zimmerman is safe in custody and if he is smart he will stay there!



Government is W-A-Y too big. It is a behemoth. One must work with what one has which is this huge monster. Obama has to be gotten rid of. First things first.

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PixieJane
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posted April 13, 2012 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But why should he speak out against the NBPP? They're a minor hate group. Some Nazi groups are trying to exploit the Trayvon incident as well but I'm not aware of any white politicians (or black ones either) saying anything against them. Why should they? They're fringe, like Westboro Baptist.

Heck, Westboro Baptists even picketed the school Obama's daughters went to (because they don't like Obama) and to my knowledge he hasn't made any public comment about them (good thing for Westboro that Obama isn't the Beast they say he is because I don't think anyone other than the ACLU would be caring if that hate-filled cult were in Gitmo or worse now for having posed a threat to his daughters). Nor have I heard of Holder seeking to prosecute them for that or any other incident (and IIRC, they're all white, btw).

If Holder is specifically aligned with the NBPP then he's incompetent about supporting them. He also dropped many other cases beside the voter intimidation case against them, including against the Bush administration for what some call war crimes (which I'd think the NBPP would want him to prosecute). While I suppose Holder's support of the war on some drugs (which target and prosecute blacks the most) could be to alienate more blacks in the hopes of recruiting them to a fringe group like NBPP I doubt he's capable of such a diabolic tactic given how incompetently he uses the race card or oversees Fast & Furious (be it in a "cover his butt" straightforward manner as I believe or in some conspiracy).

Speaking of which, I'd very much like to see Holder gotten rid of over F&F, and though I think there's enough anecdotal or circumstantial evidence to suspect him of operating with racial bias (like so many others), I don't see why he's obligated to speak out against the NBPP anymore than Romney should be obligated to speak out against the neo-nazis exploiting the Trayvon sitch either.

Now if a mainstream group like the NAACP were to put a bounty on Zimmerman's head, that would be completely different to me and I would hold Obama and Holder obligated to respond.

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NativelyJoan
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posted April 13, 2012 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Now if a mainstream group like the NAACP were to put a bounty on Zimmerman's head, that would be completely different to me and I would hold Obama and Holder obligated to respond.

I get your metaphor PixieJane, however the NAACP would never do that (then again never say never). Even seeing an organization like the NAACP, in the same sentence as Zimmerman and bounty makes me shudder. For what the NAACP represents and what they've been able to establish over the past few decades, it would go against their very philosophies to do that.

Ami Anne this is a bit of a ridiculous tirade. Let's hold those accountable for the things they ACTUALLY do, and not throw anyone else who has nothing to do with the situation in the mix. Obama can't respond to every situation where a lunatic does something looney. There are just too many loonies. And by the way, hunches, are fun but they aren't credible and they don't prove anything substantial.

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katatonic
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posted April 13, 2012 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in fact this govt is a lot less intrusive than rush would have you believe, ami. bounty hunting went out legally years ago - except on the radio.

i remember when an american kid was caught with the taliban and president bush made a derogatory comment about the county he came from as full of "misguided hottubbers" - as if one person out of 250000 painted the whole population as idiots. i haven't seen the obama administration or anyone in it condemning the whole of florida or even that town as vigilantes because one man was let go after admitting shooting another unarmed person. because that would be inflammatory. bad enough that obama was compassionate enough to put himself in the parents' shoes for a minute, right? yes he is quite the demon.

but you didn't answer my question, why a libertarian would want the feds getting into the circus atmosphere around this case? whether you think the govt is too big or not, why would you want MORE intrusion?

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PixieJane
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posted April 13, 2012 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
I get your metaphor PixieJane, however the NAACP would never do that (then again never say never). Even seeing an organization like the NAACP, in the same sentence as Zimmerman and bounty makes me shudder

I also believe the NAACP is way above that. Once in a blue moon some loonie shows himself and the NAACP boots him out real fast.

For now I hold the NAACP in high regard, and believe the blacks who make up or sympathize with the NBPP are a minority and I don't hold them as typical of black people or what blacks think than I hold whites who make up or sympathize with White Ayran Resistance as normal for white people. To me, WAR and NBPP are kindred spirits to each other and should not be considered typical of the "races" they claim to represent. The rest of us are trying as best we can to move on, and though it's an uphill journey for all of us we're all improving despite the best efforts of hate groups like WAR and NBPP to monkeywrench the process and incite a race war.

And yeah, if the NAACP were the ones to offer a bounty on Zimmerman's head I'd not only be shocked but very scared, too.

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