posted April 26, 2012 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

I would prefer that the good liberals such as yourself move en mass to Scandinavia. Iceland. There we go. Lots of available land.

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I'm just as confused as Kat is as to why conservatives continually request that liberals leave this country because they have differentiating viewpoints on the current state of this nation and overall welfare. Don't conservatives realize you can't exile every individual you disagree with on the grounds that they don't support your personal viewpoints? And why are conservatives so concerned with where Liberals care to live. It's no one else's business but their own.

posted April 26, 2012 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Charm means nothing. The Bible says that a beautiful woman with no inner beauty is like a pig with a gold ring in it's snout

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posted April 26, 2012 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
I'm just as confused as Kat is as to why conservatives continually request that liberals leave this country because they have differentiating viewpoints on the current state of this nation and overall welfare. Don't conservatives realize you can't exile every individual you disagree with on the grounds that they don't support your personal viewpoints? And why are conservatives so concerned with where Liberals care to live. It's no one else's business but their own.

It takes a certain kind of individual to respectfully acknowledge the pitfalls of living in our current society here in the US while acknowledging the various benefits. I'm proud to be an American but I'm not blind!

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I was merely responding to his suggestion that I leave the country. I'm not leaving. Deal with my kind because it is what it is.

posted April 26, 2012 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Liberals would love nothing more than to exile conservatives.

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posted April 26, 2012 05:01 PM            

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw0FP9putKM

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posted April 26, 2012 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Joan, the Bible phrase about the beautiful woman means that superficial charm means jack.

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posted April 26, 2012 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
To not offend you Ami, I'm going to refrain from discussing the bible any further. I don't support that particular religious text or any other ancient religious texts. And I view men and women as equals. In my view if there's a burden to be held by either gender, it's to be shared by both. At the end of the day, male or female we are all human. But that's just my opinion.

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Don't ask questions, Joan, if you don't want answers. That is not fair. Is it? *I* am not offended, at all. Why should I be?

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posted April 26, 2012 10:18 PM            

Per Obama- the fact that he is charming has actually caused me to have a knee-jerk reaction to him ever since I first became aware of him back in 2007. Fact of the matter is, I don't trust him. Haven't, and I still don't. I tollerate him because for the most part, he doesn't do too many glaring things that **** me off. That and ultimately he is a million times better then the way the GOP is right now.

To me, I trust the government MUCH more then I do with the private sector. Ultimately, my resentment with the state of the planet comes from that, and the influence private sectors have on the governments.

Per the buffet rule dealing, I support one major idea from it: Eliminating tax loopoles. It's quite simple, EVERYONE has to pay taxes, no if's ands or but's in any case. It's a requirement for being alive. As to tax rates, I do believe that those with a higher order of income should have to pay an increased tax rate. It should be capped around 40 to 50% though. No one should have to give up more then half their pay to support the world like that. They have that money because the earned it and got that far. I definitely support helping out those who are worse off. Only to an extent though.

The truth is though, I don't really understand money. I never will. It scares the LIVING **** out of me. I want it to be simple. Money go in, money go out. No loops, no changes, no interest, no nothing. I just want to make a pay check, pay off bills, taxes, etc. and not have to deal with anything else. The fact that I have student loans makes me lose sleep at night. I'll be able to pay them off once I have my (PhD) degree with no problem, but even then I don't like it. I do not like feeling like I owe anyone anything, or that I have anything borrowed. Because of this, I largely want to resign myself from money issues because I do not feel I am fit to ultimately make those tough decisions.

What I do feel though, is that money needs to be simplified. The sheer complexity of how money is handled, created, and passed around is staggering. So many cracks form in the systems that it causes dangerous errors. I want to see that the financial system is simplified and minimized as much as possible.

I try not to think about the state of the world much. The sheer fragility of the financial system, the planets resources, etc. is mind numbing. It's too big and to complex for anyone to completely understand, much less fix. For the past month I was only a few steps back from suicide because of how fearful I am for the world right now, and how it is falling apart at the seams. Why? Because to me it seems like there quite literally, is no answer or solution. Anywhere. It doesn't matter. The only thing that would work is if someone hit one gigantic reset button for everyone and everything. Even then, some things can't be reset.

In the end, I support neither the democratic, or republican party. However, I ultimately side with the democratic side far more often because there are some views many of those in the GOP hold that I can not reconcile in my mind.

Obama may be charming, but I see him as FAR more trusting the Romney is. By leaps and bounds.

I just want people to live their lives with as little as infringement on their life as possible.

posted April 26, 2012 11:33 PM            

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Don't ask questions, Joan, if you don't want answers. That is not fair. Is it? *I* am not offended, at all. Why should I be?

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No one is telling you not to discuss the bible. Discuss away I just dont have the energy nor interest to respond to that subject. Out of respect toward you I decided not to explicitly share my negative views on that specific religious text any further then what I briefly mentioned. I asked a question and you answered. What's not fair about that? I however am choosing to not discuss the bible any further because I have a great disdain for religions related to that text and religions in general. I'm entitled to do that and we've definitely gone off topic in regards to this thread. I'm not even sure why I even bother, my inquiries produce the same unwavering results.

Obama the charmer extraordinaire yay or nay?

posted April 26, 2012 11:49 PM            

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Obama the charmer extraordinaire yay or nay?

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Simple answer for a simple question. Yes indeed. Most anyone can see that regardless of how they feel about him. Except perhaps, those who have been charmed by him.

Even then though seeing if someone is charming or not is quite easy to do. A lot of of the time it leads to suspect the individual to have ulterior motives. However, those two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

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posted April 27, 2012 02:33 PM            

I explicitly stated AFTER you answered my questions that I no longer wanted to engage in a discussion with you on my end about the bible. But no one's stopping you from doing what you want, I'M JUST CHOOSING NOT TO RESPOND. You answered my questions already. What you may need to understand is if someone doesn't want to debate something any further THEY DON'T HAVE TO! It's their choice. You can't force people to continue to have a discussion with you by painting them in a negative light and then proceeding to twist their words. No one has to do what they don't want to. Whether it be choosing to ask or not ask a question and changing their minds or choosing whether to answer or not answer that very same question.

posted April 27, 2012 02:38 PM            

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Simple answer for a simple question. Yes indeed. Most anyone can see that regardless of how they feel about him. Except perhaps, those who have been charmed by him.

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Thanks for staying on topic and for sharing your response. I know you've been timid about coming back to GU. It's a battlefield, but I really enjoy your input regardless so don't be afraid to share. You might not get the responses you're looking for but it never hurts to express them.

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