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Topic: Pres B. Obama: He Who Can Charm The Birds From The Trees
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted April 28, 2012 09:02 AM
  
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juniperb
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posted April 28, 2012 09:08 AM
While not the be all end all, splitting hairs here. Race was and is a factor in all elections. I personally would love to see ALL races take responsibility for their vote and make their voice heard in this Country. ------------------
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 28, 2012 09:26 AM
I don't think race ever has to be a factor. It seems we may never move forward and see past racial divisions as a society. Politicians, the news media and parts of the general public insist however on making it a factor further dividing our society. I shouldn't be surprised that race becomes such a big factor in the eyes of certain types of individuals. It's clearly a reflection of our history. I mean we're still dusting of the ashes left from the civil rights movement. With the oppression faced by many types of minorities how can race not become an issue. By continuing to harp on racial divides we continue to keep the spirit of oppression and racism alive in this country. I wonder if I will ever see the day when race and gender dividing viewpoints no longer persist. This isn't idealism, it's staunch awareness. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted April 28, 2012 09:38 AM
NJ,
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I don't think race ever has to be a factor. It seems we may never move forward and see past racial divisions as a society.
Absolutely, it don`t have to be a factor yet it is. I don`t make it so nor do you. ------------------
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 28, 2012 10:16 AM
And why is it a factor?If race consistently becomes a factor, why are we allowing it? And what motive is there to harp on racial differences? Why has race become such a factor as opposed to anything else specifically in regards to elections? We ask ourselves why? Why the focus, what's the significance and what exactly is the intention of those who relentlessly choose to keep making race a factor? Is it because racism is alive and well and people still can't see past racially stereotyping and dividing the masses. Most politicians are tired and lazy. And when attempting to connect with the public they strategically divide them based on race and additional subcultures in order to format their campaigns to target selective ethnic groups. It makes it easier for them. Less work for trying to create a campaign targeted at the collective that unites. In his 2008 campaign for Presidency, Obama made excruciating efforts to keep race out of his vernacular and nowhere near his campaign. He got wide support because of this. He didn't have to make race a factor the news media, other politicians and his opposition did. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 28, 2012 12:36 PM
now why would the wall street journal (jwhop's post)[trans. rupert murdoch press] be so concerned about obama naming people who give to romney? because they want the citizen's united shield themselves perhaps?because their ownermaster is currently under the looming possibility that the newscorp empire may come in for prosecution here in the US where they make most of their money? so far i would say obama is far from our best president. however the entry into history books is not complete yet. many presidents look different with hindsight than they did at their time, because those fighting change are so scared by the changing world around them... this is one of those times when the world itself is in flux and those who cling to the past are running scared...and talking trash to cover their vulnerability.. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 28, 2012 02:31 PM
You failed to establish Rupert ever made a single contribution...to anyone. Ditto for News-Corp.This is what I mean about O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers. They just throw shiiit against the wall and hope some of it sticks. You do that a lot katatonic. Yes, the world is in flux....as a result of an idiot sitting behind the president's desk
in the Oval Office....and the menagerie of other Socialist misfit morons he brought with him. We call that result O'Bomber has produced flux...but it's due to "lack of leadership" along with total ignorance and stupidity. November 6th can't come too soon.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2012 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
You failed to establish Rupert ever made a single contribution...to anyone. Ditto for News-Corp.This is what I mean about O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers. They just throw shiiit against the wall and hope some of it sticks. You do that a lot katatonic. Yes, the world is in flux....as a result of an idiot sitting behind the president's desk
in the Oval Office....and the menagerie of other Socialist misfit morons he brought with him. We call that result O'Bomber has produced flux...but it's due to "lack of leadership" along with total ignorance and stupidity. November 6th can't come too soon.
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 28, 2012 02:51 PM
Did I miss something in the agreement Ami Anne, the very one you proposed? You couldn't resist breaking your own rule. IP: Logged |
tautomer4314
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From: Oregon
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 28, 2012 02:56 PM
JWhop, is it really necessary to refer to obama supporters as "kool-aid" drinkers and call him "O'Bommer"? To be honest, comments like that make me not take someone seriously at all. It does nothing but to inflame others and express a completely unnecessary form of anger. I understand you absolute despise obama to your very core. However, is any good going to come out of using names and derogatory comments? I think not. I mean, yikes, now and again I read one of your posts my eyes literally bug out and I say to myself "Good lord how can one person harbor so much anger, this is doing no good to his cause of his point at all.". It's to the point where I pretty much just flat out ignore what you have to say anymore.------------------
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katatonic
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posted April 28, 2012 03:12 PM
yes, tautomer, it is necessary. otherwise jwhop would lose his feeling of superiority, a very carefully cultivated prop. he revels in making others angry and i don't think he cares if he comes across a fool.i am not a lawyer, they are working on that proof as we speak, jwhop. and even if murdoch never handed over any cash himself, he will not long get away with his "i didn't know" and "it was my son and employees who did it" scams. my dad used to say, be careful who you kick on the way up, you are likely to meet them on your way back down... despite your over the top protestations it
seems you think a great deal of obama, in fact it's pathetic the amount of credit you give one man... i suspect nov will be a big disappointment to you. perhaps you should start checking out some retreats in the caymans or bahamas so you are ready when the time comes! or perhaps as ms palin's foremost champion she will fix up a room for you in wasilla! and the leftists, i mean the rest of the world, will carry on trying to build something instead of throwing rocks and insults at everything that tries to move. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 28, 2012 03:31 PM
tautomer, I don't care if you even read anything I post...let alone take it seriously. However, I assure you I'm serious as a heart attack about O'Bomber...and his supporters. Further, I've already proved every thing I've ever said about him on this forum. If you weren't here or didn't read it....that's too bad. He's exactly what I said he was when he was only candidate O'Bomber and he proves that day in and day out.
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tautomer4314
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posted April 28, 2012 03:42 PM
Good lord. I don't understand why people can't remain level headed. I mean, yeesh, this is just ridiculous. I really just don't understand people who can't control their emotions. At all. It's beyond me.When bush was in power I absolutely hated him in so many ways. I STILL do. The damage he has done is still being worked over. Mind you, things could have been way worse. Nevertheless I would not call him names, or be nasty about him. He's a person just like everyone else and deserves respect. Because of my strong dislike of him I often refrain from expressing much of an opinion on him. I also have an EXTREME burning hatred for rick santorum. By far more so then any other political figure I have ever seen come to the forefront. I intentionally do not speak much of him because it's very hard for me to remain calm when I think about him. At the end of the day, despite the fact that I hate every single thing he stands for (I never found anything I agreed with him on, and that truly is a first), I would not call him a bad person. He is good to his family, and good to those who know him. In the end that is what matters. Just... I don't get how people can't dissociate from the failings of other. I really don't. It's one thing to call them for something they did wrong. It's another to be unduly rude. The president actually isn't as much of a concern to me as the supreme court, and congress is. As ultimately as a collective they have much more power and ability to change things. ------------------
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katatonic
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posted April 28, 2012 04:25 PM
and don't pretend there is no proof against newscorp. that has been admitted over and over again. bribery of officials including police and politicians. hacking of phones. news of the world is FAMOUS for this! and for setting folks up for the police in exchange for info and blind eyes turned.now, if millions of people know this, HOW do you think it escaped poor rupert's notice? funny that you hold obama accountable for every wrong in america but rupert murdoch, who rules his empire like a true king with no checks and balances, is considered lily white in the shenanigans of his "minions". and the heads keep rolling. "sorry" says rupert bear... about as sincerely as mr zimmerman the other day when he stated in court he didn't know how young the man he shot was...despite the fact that he described him to the 911 folks as "in his teens"...perhaps our george thought trayvon was 18 or 19, therefore shooting him was somehow more fair? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 28, 2012 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
when attempting to connect with the public they strategically divide them based on race and additional subcultures in order to format their campaigns to target selective ethnic groups. It makes it easier for them. Less work for trying to create a campaign targeted at the collective that unites.
It seems that you've answered your own question here. Race is just one factor that people identify with, along with their religious affiliation, their gender, their age, their level of employment, their income, etc. One factor does not beat out the rest. Most if not all of these are catered to while the nominees are campaigning, whether directly, or indirectly. As a result they become significant factors in pre- and post-election analysis. And if nothing else, they let us see how their game plan influenced the course of the election. In '08 Obama didn't have to make race a factor, he was the factor, and the less he discussed it the better. If he had introduced race in an overt manner he would have welcomed it as an issue and that would have been potentially detrimental to his campaign. One objective is to get the voter to identify with you, and the easier you make it for them, the better. Just the same as it would be odd for Romney to introduce himself as a white Republican, and call it from the rooftops. We don't need him to say this, and he shouldn't really. It would be detrimental to his campaign as well. The same way that labeling himself as 'severely conservative' to help secure the Republican nomination is not going to help him in the long run in his presidential bid. He shouted it too loudly and now he can't take it back. He can only attack Obama and put a new spin on his statement, so it is watch and wait to see if his advisers decide to point him in that direction.IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted April 28, 2012 08:55 PM
I mean at the end of the day it's all politics. However why not run an innovative campaign? Target the collective, be a little politically unorthodox and less lazy. I don't identify more with anyone just because of their race or gender. I think it's preposterous that people might actually do that. But that's just me. I don't believe Obama was the factor in the 2008 election. I think the outside world might have wanted to paint him that way because of the circumstances he faced with the history of race relations in this country. However he appealed to the public with a united message, that didn't address any specific subgroup. He distanced himself from any identification that could pigeonhole him as a person and candidate. I think apart of that was strategy and apart of it was him not on a personal level identifying specifically with any group. I mean he's many things and frankly a human being first. Doesn't everyone desire to be accepted for who they are outside of WHAT they'd be classified as based on appearances in our racially charged society? We're manic about classifications and identifications here, just look at the intricateness related to the census. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted April 28, 2012 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Good lord. I don't understand why people can't remain level headed. I mean, yeesh, this is just ridiculous. I really just don't understand people who can't control their emotions. At all. It's beyond me.
I completely agree with you. But it's easy to lose your cool in GU when discussing controversial issues and when a few people tend to repeatedly hit below the belt. You try to keep things in perspective but when childish names get thrown into the mix and unwarranted attacks, it makes staying cool under pressure almost impossible. However, at least we can all discuss this crap and not hold resentment in about the world. If only we'd learn how to be a bit more diplomatic in our discussions we might get further in our understandings about life and the world. But again, the aura is tenser in GU. And once the emotions rise to the surface it seems that niceties go right out the window. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2012 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
tautomer, I don't care if you even read anything I post...let alone take it seriously. However, I assure you I'm serious as a heart attack about O'Bomber...and his supporters. Further, I've already proved every thing I've ever said about him on this forum. If you weren't here or didn't read it....that's too bad. He's exactly what I said he was when he was only candidate O'Bomber and he proves that day in and day out.
I agree with Jwop in everything I have ever heard him say on GU. I agree 1000000%.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2012 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
yes, tautomer, it is necessary. otherwise jwhop would lose his feeling of superiority, a very carefully cultivated prop. he revels in making others angry and i don't think he cares if he comes across a fool.i am not a lawyer, they are working on that proof as we speak, jwhop. and even if murdoch never handed over any cash himself, he will not long get away with his "i didn't know" and "it was my son and employees who did it" scams. my dad used to say, be careful who you kick on the way up, you are likely to meet them on your way back down... despite your over the top protestations it
seems you think a great deal of obama, in fact it's pathetic the amount of credit you give one man... i suspect nov will be a big disappointment to you. perhaps you should start checking out some retreats in the caymans or bahamas so you are ready when the time comes! or perhaps as ms palin's foremost champion she will fix up a room for you in wasilla! and the leftists, i mean the rest of the world, will carry on trying to build something instead of throwing rocks and insults at everything that tries to move.
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juniperb
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posted April 28, 2012 09:25 PM
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I completely agree with you. But it's easy to lose your cool in GU when discussing controversial issues and when a few people tend to repeatedly hit below the belt.
My best advice is stick to the facts and overlook the >insert words< that makes you angry and post when you have sorted pertinent from trivial. Also, just don`t respond to the silly quips scattered about. I know I know , easier said than done. ------------------
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tautomer4314
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posted April 28, 2012 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
I completely agree with you. But it's easy to lose your cool in GU when discussing controversial issues and when a few people tend to repeatedly hit below the belt. You try to keep things in perspective but when childish names get thrown into the mix and unwarranted attacks, it makes staying cool under pressure almost impossible. However, at least we can all discuss this crap and not hold resentment in about the world. If only we'd learn how to be a bit more diplomatic in our discussions we might get further in our understandings about life and the world. But again, the aura is tenser in GU. And once the emotions rise to the surface it seems that niceties go right out the window.
It's all just beyond me why people stoop to that. I will at times do that but it's only when someone has a complete and utter flagrant disregard for something, is aware of it, and actively acknowledges doing nothing to help it. Maybe I'm just too civil for my own good. I just don't get why others aren't because it works well for me. quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I agree with Jwop in everything I have ever heard him say on GU. I agree 1000000%.
I just don't have the energy to keep trying to educate you guys like he does
I know that you do Ami, but let's look at this logically:
I am to assume (as I have) that JWhop makes the posts that he does in order to educate others on what he knows, and what he feels is correct. Having you make this statement that this is intention, solidifies it in my mind. I have clearly stated that his mode of doing so is a complete and utter turn off for what he is trying to say. It leads to me not wanting to read his posts, or take what he has seriously. That, is a failure. The reason for this is, is that if his goal is to truly educate people on what he is trying to say, then he has failed on his part. It also appears to me that a number of people on this section of the forum feel similar to me in this regard. If one wants to inform others in the most efficient and well-respected and received way possible, it needs to be done with civil discourse. Having that way removes the chance of thinking that the person doing the teaching has some sort of agenda bias. Feeling that way would cause a lot of distrust and result in a strong failure to absorb the information. In simpler terms, you learn best from those you respect and show you and others respect. JWhop has stated that he does not seem to care that I don't take him seriously or his posts with what he has to say. That is active acknowledgement that he is not reaching his claimed goal. I am of the understanding that it is often difficult to remove bias and feelings when one feels so strongly about someone. However, if that is not at least attempted to be removed then it leads to a bias in information that is sought. In summation, if his goal is education of others for what the true nature of what obama is, he is failing to do so. Which will not help his cause to get others to see the light, see his side, and ultimately help remove him from power. So at the moment, it is quite a lot of wasted energy, or it is done for purely self-satisfying reasons.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2012 09:38 PM
Tautomer
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juniperb
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posted April 28, 2012 09:42 PM
Ami Anne, as moderators, we are required to be "rule conscious"  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 28, 2012 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Ami Anne, as moderators, we are required to be "rule conscious"
LOL-Yes, I know, Juni. I meant it in terms of that there are no "absolute" rules in forums or life. ------------------
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tautomer4314
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posted April 28, 2012 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Tautomer
You are not open to other POV's. However, you just irritate me when you get all rules conscious
What? That's not true at all. I would like to know how and why you have come to this conclusion. I always factor in another persons point of view when I involve myself with something. It would be a major error for me not to do so. Nevertheless, in the end, if you don't see or believe that though, then that is your prerogative. I'm sorry that being rule conscious gets on your nerves, but it is a major part of who I am, and ultimately I am that way because it imparts the highest level of fairness for all parties. Rules are there for a reason and are there to create fairness. As such, I try to uphold them and understand them. ------------------
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