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Topic: Pres B. Obama: He Who Can Charm The Birds From The Trees
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 25, 2012 08:21 PM
  
And pull you into his seas...Regardless of what we may think of President Barack Obama politically. He's quite the charmer. He made an appearance on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon and discussed the increase in interest rates on Stafford Loans for college students this summer. He then proceeded to do a "slow jam" with Jimmy Fallon concerning his request to Congress to that make sure that doesn't happen. And the burden increasing interest rates has on students in our society trying to pay off student loans to attend college. "OBAMA: On July 1st of this year, the interest rates on Stafford student loans, the same loans that many of you use to help pay for college, are set to double. . . . I’ve called on Congress to prevent this from happening. What we’ve said is simple: Now is not the time to make school more expensive for our young people. FALLON: Aww yeah! You should listen to the president — or, as I like to call him, the Preezy of the United Steezy. . . . Things are heating up inside of Congress’s chambers, behind all those closed doors. So the president made a few discreet calls across the aisle. He said: “Hey, let’s get together on this one.” . . ."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/obama-jimmy-f allon-slow-jam-the-news/2012/04/25/gIQA5U2ghT_story.html If anyone has any charming videos of Obama feel free to post them. I'm going to post more! Side note: Isn't Jimmy Fallon the greatest.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 25, 2012 10:11 PM
CHARM???? Not to me. I think he is disgusting  ------------------
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 25, 2012 10:26 PM
Well Ami, I think every one on GU is aware that you don't like Obama. Beyond politics though, it would seem your reasons for not liking him are a mystery. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 25, 2012 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Well Ami, I think every one on GU is aware that you don't like Obama. Beyond politics though, it would seem your reasons for not liking him are a mystery.
Why I don't like him? Hmmm have you ever read George Orwell? Do you UNDERSTAND socialism?
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 25, 2012 11:11 PM
Re-read my statement. I inquired about your reasons for disliking him outside of politics. It honestly doesn't matter. Fixed opinions are hard to change. By the way, President Obama is NOT a socialist. His tireless efforts to reach bipartisan agreements with the majority right dominated congress just further go to reveal his moderate stance on many liberal ideas and policies. He is even more moderate then Clinton. How exactly does being fanatically bipartisan make one a socialist? In the minds of the right I guess just breathing. Why are you so interested in what I know. I even made a thread surronding anarchy and socialist societies. Citing works including cultural and political theorists. Do YOU understand what SOCIALISM is?
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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2012 07:34 AM
Why I dislike him outside of politics? I think he is very insincere. I think he is an elitist, of the worst kind.I think he is a racist.I think he divides people along any and all lines he can.I do not think he is patriotic. I think he is narrow minded. I think he is small minded.I think he has an agenda for this country that will TRULY divide us into the rich and the poor. He will be the rich,of course, as will all the rich senators et al who will help him get this passed.I think he has little integrity. To me, he is ugly as his insides shine out to the outside. As Martin Luther King said. "Judge a man by his heart" That man will be beautiful. That is why Obama is ugly, to me. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2012 07:36 AM
Have you ever read "Animal Farm" by Orwell, Joan?------------------
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katatonic
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posted April 26, 2012 01:20 PM
for someone who gets their news digested by rush limbaugh, you presume a lot, ami. i realize in this age of doublespeak on all sides that it is hard to get at the truth - especially if you can't be bothered to look for it - but you are just regurgitating an entertainer's skew, not much to do with facts. his boss is in the process of having his feet held to the fire for bribery and invasion of privacy, along with hostile takeovers the building blocks of his empire. his "huge" audience is the result of BUYING hundreds of radio stations and glutting the airwaves with his show, so many people have no one else to listen to. you of all people must know that if you are continually presented with a twisted version of the truth and little to compare that version with, it starts to seem real. as i mentioned previously, the israeli system is extremely socialist. yet you love israel and consider it a democracy! but you can't see beyond the propaganda to what is really going on in this country, or what obama is trying to do. i suspect we will never realize the whole truth till several years down the road... many business people, professionals, and wealthy investors are just fine with obama and the idea that when we help the least among us we help ourselves (and our businesses). buffet is not an aberration but one of many. perhaps YOU should take a sabbatical to one of those "socialist" countries and find out why so many americans choose to live there, not here. and i don't mean russia, which is a dictatorship subject to the whims of its "president". many of them have a higher standard of living and more personal freedoms than we do, and gladly pay the taxes necessary to cover EVERYONE's arse. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 26, 2012 01:38 PM
I grew up in an democractic socialist Asian country and I loathed it. I grew up under European socialist healthcare and was outright miserable. I came to America only to become even more miserable.I won't gladly pay more taxes. Count me in the collection of financial professionals against the Buffett 30% capital gains tax plan. I already pay 44% in income taxes at the federal and state level combined. It's sickening. East Asia has grown so rapidly over the past five decades precisely because there is zero capital gains tax and very low corporate income taxes. The last thing America ought to be is Finland or Sweden. Scandinavia, as with most of Western and Southern Europe, is in the doldrums. Those are precisely the economic models that America should not emulate. The only birds charmed from out of the trees are those which fall dead from a lack of food, healthcare and general prosperity. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 26, 2012 01:54 PM
Haha! Love your last statement, YTA. Charming? More like repulsive. But is charm even a reason to call someone a leader?------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 26, 2012 02:04 PM
sorry to point this out YTA, but it seems you are miserable wherever you go. i wouldn't necessarily blame a form of government for that...though most governments have a lot of room for improvement!! perhaps some spiritual or emotional counselling is what you need, not a different tax rate.and if you are paying 44% perhaps you should find a better accountant? seems you must be able to afford a good one. i do believe one of reagan's main tax reforms was to make capital gains comparable with other income, which meant the STATED RATES OF INCOME TAX could be lower and still produce more revenue. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 26, 2012 02:05 PM
Oh that isn't true  I landed in America when Reagan was President and I was absolutely in love  I also had a choice of remaining a citizen where Thatcher was Prime Minister, and it was a hard decision I hate the PRC ChiComs, or I would have gone to Hong Kong, where there are still super low income taxes, zero capital gains and limited government bureaucratic interference in a burgeoning market eocnomy, despite being part of the PRC. I didn't like Canada, and Australia back then was still as socialist as Canada. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 26, 2012 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
and if you are paying 44% perhaps you should find a better accountant? seems you must be able to afford a good one.
What do you not understand? Finance is my profession.
Federal Income Tax Rate of 35% [yes, that is my tax bracket]
State Income Tax Rate of 8.75%
Local City Income Taxes of about 2% [based on partial residency] Naturally, these are before deductions, and I gather the mortgage interest deduction is going away, as favored by the true Lib. Dems. On top of that, you guys want 30% capital gains taxes from me? Is life some sort of convoluted Robin Hood scheme? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 26, 2012 02:17 PM
well i also lived in britain, before during and after thatcher. in every one of those phases i saw people doing very well and people failing. kaiser permanente loves the NHS since thatcher, they have made a killing there!but nothing is as simple as one leader or one system or period. the backstory in britain(or anywhere really) is long and intricate, and includes a national sense of depression following the loss of their "colonies" and the arrival in the "motherland" of countless "colonials" - blacks to many - demanding their rights instead of acting like servants. the "melting pot" has been fierce and frenetic there, condensed into a much shorter period than our own, which is still a pot full of resentments and fears after all these years... IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 26, 2012 02:20 PM
yes "OF COURSE THAT IS BEFORE DEDUCTIONS".. so unless you have no deductions you are paying considerably less. like i said, reagan, with whom you were "in love" raised capital gains to be on a par with other income. and the top rate was, i believe 33% then, not that far off what we have now(or what is being proposed).perhaps you should make like a good conservative and head for a no-income-tax state, there are several to choose from and lots of people just like you live there. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 26, 2012 02:21 PM
I'm a minority. I have no problem subsidizing other minority groups. I do, however, have immense problem subsidizing economically unproductive groups, whether majority or minority. Social welfare indeed has its place and is well needed. However, there is no place for 104 weeks of unemployment benefits.IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 26, 2012 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
perhaps you should make like a good conservative and head for a no-income-tax state, there are several to choose from and lots of people just like you live there.
I would prefer that the good liberals such as yourself move en mass to Scandinavia. Iceland. There we go. Lots of available land.
I was waiting for Barbara Streisand to accept my offer. She mentioned that she would leave the country. I offerred to her a one-way First Class ticket on the airline of her choice to any country she chose, on the condition that she would never return to America. I love America. I ain't the one going to leave America. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 26, 2012 02:28 PM
those unemployment benefits ultimately end up being spent and returning to your pocket. would you rather have to wade around homeless people on your way to your job? how many more businesses would fail if people had no money to buy their products and services? make no mistake, i am not arguing here for obama but for people SEEING beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are all affected by the others around us. and i truly abhor the suggestion that people who are out of work are just shiftless good for nothings. (some of them are, but most are not!) i know trust fund babies who mouth the same sentiments..."they have nothing cause they do nothing" ...right, and those who live off their family's good fortunes (and capital gains at preferential rates) are doing precisely what? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 26, 2012 02:31 PM
now why is it that the conservatives here are so hot to have all the rest of us leave? do you truly think variety is dangerous?i grew up here, and i will stay as long as i bloody well like. i grew up during the years when the top tax rate was 90% - until it went down to 70% and i lacked for nothing despite being in one of the families that PAID those rates. of course when people such as yourselves are allowed out of the service sector, and others who were considered appendages are given the right to work at all, the middle class is going to have to make some room for them. this is what a lot of the squawking is about. those who bray about "competition" don't like it when the hoi polloi get a chance to compete on an equal basis. which is not equal unless they are given a little help. as long as the rich and multinationals are given preferential treatment and considered too good to pay taxes, as long as they can buy government as easily as they do, the poor will need a hand UP (not necessarily a hand OUT) to get anywhere NEAR equal. that doesn't mean everyone will ever achieve the same or even want to. many people just want to support their families and enjoy their work and free time. plenty of people defy the odds and rise from the bottom to the top (or the other way around as well)... plenty of rich kids achieve nothing in their lives. the 104 year old billionairess who died recently did nothing but play with dolls for the last 30 or 40 years of her life..why should her almost entirely capital gains life be subsidized by you? i don't want to eat the rich. but i would like to see some of the surplus food being distributed instead of sat on for political and financial gain. there is no reason for ANYONE in the world to be starving right now. "as you do to the least among us, so do you to me"...i think jesus christ is supposed to have said that. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 26, 2012 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
i know trust fund babies who mouth the same sentiments..."they have nothing cause they do nothing" ...right, and those who live off their family's good fortunes (and capital gains at preferential rates) are doing precisely what?
That much I agree with you No fears. I'm no trust fund baby I want productive citizens, and I want a government focused on providing its citizenry with employment opportunities. The path to employment is an accumulation of free cash flow for businesses and an environment of high capital investment, prosperity within the citizenry and a high savings rate. The path towards achieving that goal is not high taxation. I abhor people who intentionally sit on their tuckus, whether rich or poor. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted April 26, 2012 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Have you ever read "Animal Farm" by Orwell, Joan?
Yes Ami Anne. Who hasn't? It's a prerequisite for any subject related to journalism and politics. That and Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" and "1984." I've read Animal Farm and 1984 at least 40 times in my life Ami. What do you want to know? I'm not sure if you're aware that we don't think about things in the same way. Just because we've both read the same EXACT book doesn't mean we'll share the same opinions about it. We're two very different people. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted April 26, 2012 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Haha! Love your last statement, YTA. Charming? More like repulsive. But is charm even a reason to call someone a leader?
Randall you and Ami Anne with your fascinating adjectives. No reasoning to follow those assertions I see. What's wrong with having a leader that's charming? Would you rather have a leader that's vitriolic? And to clarify. Obama's not President because his charming. But the fact that he's charming in addition to being Commander in Chief helps. G.W. Bush was like a flopping fish, poor thing just couldn't get it together...ever! How Bush made it into the that oval office is a wonder. Then again I wasn't in this country when Bush was elected so who knows what kind of madness was unfolding. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2012 04:14 PM
Charm means nothing. The Bible says that a beautiful woman with no inner beauty is like a pig with a gold ring in it's snout  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2012 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm a minority. I have no problem subsidizing other minority groups. I do, however, have immense problem subsidizing economically unproductive groups, whether majority or minority. Social welfare indeed has its place and is well needed. However, there is no place for 104 weeks of unemployment benefits.
I have a Phd in Quote Meister. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2012 04:19 PM
Ian, you are a wonderful asset to GU. You got the Quote Meister behind you ------------------
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